BREAKING NEWS: Jesse Matthew Abduction of Hannah Graham also linked to Morgan Harrington Murder
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Further tests are being conducted to connect Mr. Matthew to a 2005 Fairfax sexual assault as well.
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Re: college sexual assault – the reporting of sexual assaults on campus is related to Title IX funding, which I think someone on here mentioned before. I am searching for criminal justice policy research jobs at the moment, have several job alerts/feeds that send me new job listings, and there are now a TON of Title IX compliance officer jobs coming through, at universities all over southern California (where I’m currently living) and Boston (where I used to live). Colleges are covering their a$$es big time. In Boston we had some controversies with the lack of reporting at various schools – we have a lot of them, as you know – and it always amazes me that universities, and campus police, are given so much leeway on determining how a case should proceed. IMO If I were victimized, I would bypass university procedure entirely and go straight to local PD. It sucks when schools regard sexual assault as merely an infraction of university conduct policies and the guy has to “apologize” to the girl, she gets counseling, and he gets to continue with his life on campus. Add to that if it’s a religious university, and religious beliefs often dictate policy. I went to Fordham university, a Jesuit school, for my freshman year, and I remember hearing that a girl was freaking out in the dorms and hallucinating that blood was coming out of the faucets, but this did not necessitate a medical intervention – a priest was brought in to handle it instead. And this was not that long ago – 1999. I dread to think how a priest would handle a sexual assault on campus.
Lastly, the statistic of 1 in 5 at Oregon is not surprising to me in the least. I can’t count how many times I have heard of, including at my own schools, frat guys getting caught with GHB or Roofies. My best friend from high school was Roof’ied and sexually assaulted on a spring break cruise. People actually saw an act taking place in public, on the ship deck, and were none the wiser because she appeared alert and awake. She remembers a young man whom she had just met handed her her third drink of the night. She is not a light weight – three daiquiris would not make her black out. She does not remember anything after taking a sip of that third drink. She was told by witnesses what happened after. It took her ten years to actually tell friends what happened, and for us to tell HER that that was rape. She was also a virgin until that night. So coming forward to press charges or identify yourself as a rape victim is not as easy as it seems. There’s a certain amount of shame, embarrassment, and confusion involved, especially where alcohol and Roofies are involved. Roofies and other drugs make it much easier for a perpetrator to claim it was consensual, and it makes it so that she cannot be a witness to her own assault because she doesn’t even remember what happened. My friend never saw the guy again, as it was a cruise, where many people come together for a few days and then go their separate ways. She had trouble trusting men in relationships for years after. And people wonder why I have to get my drink straight from the bartender, and won’t let a date hand it to me. I strongly believe this is what happened to Hannah to get her to go with them. She appeared to all others to be a “compliant victim” who was incredibly drunk – when she could have had only a couple of drinks but in that 15 minutes she met Mr. Mathew was completely obliterated. I also believe that LE has a strong hunch that this is the case as well, and this is where the “intent to defile” comes in.
Blink, my head is exploding.
Do people realize how close to Rt. 29 is to Megginson Cemetery (where Jamisha Gilbert’s body was found)???
I started researching Megginson Cemetery and found information about the Megginson family…
Megginsons have lived around Amherst County, Virginia since 1737. William (c. 1715-1762) and Mary Megginson are the ancestors of Megginsons in Virginia, North Carolina, and Alabama. William bought land on the south side of the Fluvanna (later James) River, 4 miles above the mouth of the Tye River. This plantation was at Greenway Station and was called “Clover Plains.”
I left a post yesterday but I don’t see it.
Ivy Creek and Walnut Creek are somewhat obvious and well-hiked from the POV of being a local.
JM would be aware of that. I doubt he would take that risk. I agree with those who said that he probably went further afield on the weekend following Hannah’s disappearance. OR he might have selected another enormous old farm in Albemarle or one of the surrounding counties, as he did with AF.
Also, started looking at locations on the National Register of Historic Places— remember, Anchorage Farms is on this list. Going through the alphabetical list of such properties located in Abemarle County, two properties caught my eye in relation to the false name JLM gave to police when apprehended in Texas (George Carr):
1.) Carr’s Hill — also known as the University of Virginia President’s House.
2.) Carrsbrook — From 1798 to 1815 the house served as the residence and school of Thomas Jefferson’s ward and nephew, Peter Carr.
Since this topic has been mentioned, I thought it was quite a coincidence I saw this tonight when I was reading. I am not saying I think this is at all related to the case at hand, but it certainly is good information to anyone who may be reading here that could use the information.
http://wavy.com/2014/10/06/exposing-human-trafficking-in-hampton-roads/
National Human Trafficking Resource Center – 1 (888) 373-7888
I have not been able to read all the posts since I just jumped back on, but was wondering if this had been brought up…I was thinking his council might be digging around JM’s football “career” to see if he had a knock in the head that might result in brain injury and use that as his defense? I don’t think that would work, though as most people describe him as a nice dude. Just thinking out loud…
“…Or does he use the perceived charm of someone less criminally sophisticated to his advantage to rape and murder women?”
B
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I don’t think they ever see him coming.
He exudes vibes that are non-threatening, childlike, awkward. Scroll through the reports about LJM and count how many times you read the words “gentle giant”. It’s remarkable that many former acquaintances have expressed surprise at his arrest. One former teammate even described him being as a “goofy” presence on the field.
I believe this is the method that has worked for Matthew in the past. I’m not convinced (yet) of any kind of calculation to his actions other than he knows how to fix his mistakes. He punched a guy in a fit of road rage, then drove him to the hospital after showing remorse. The guy dropped the charges.
I look at my own reaction to seeing Matthew walk across the screen on the Sal’s restaurant video. With those goofy white pants and the casual high-fives, my first impression of him was that he was harmless. (But the white guy lurking in the doorway looked like a total creeper.)
I’m convinced there’s something about Matthew that disarms people. If it works in the moments BEFORE he makes contact with a victim, then it’s bound to work for him in the moments AFTER. I wonder how he’ll look to a jury.
Correction on the I-75 link from Houston to Galveston. It is I-45 that follows the route of old 75.
I have to agree with Blink about the terrain around Anchorage Farm. It is difficult in a very few places. One of the photos showed an outcrop of granite that was steep near the site of where Morgan was found. the other area is the large granite deposit at the front of the property near hwy 29. That type of granite is normally found in a football shaped deposit that extends two to three hundred feet into the ground.
The material used to build the State Capitol building in Austin was quarried from just such a deposit West of Marble Falls,Texas. It is still an active quarry.
Chief Longo gave a press conference this afternoon saying that they are taking their time in working the case. Active searches are still under way.
LE may get a break with some solid information soon.I don’t think it will come from JM as I think he is too clever to give up much. I think he cultivated the big teddy bear helpful personna as a mask for his true behavior. There is also the possibility that he is one of a group that prey on young women and he is the abductor and the transporter. That would not stop him from working alone sometimes.
Re #29: Mindful, could you tell us what you’ve heard locally re “sex ring.” Did you phone that tidbit in to LE? Just curious…
Blink, could it be possible that a friend or family member of Matthews, Jr. worked on or for the AF? Knowing which area was not cut that season is huge. I had never heard that piece of information before. It makes you wonder who might know that information, it could be anyone from the person who drives the “honey wagon” to someone with knowledge of hay produced and possibly sold from AF. I doubt Mr. Bass cuts the entire property himself. Mr. Bass said he was checking fence by means of riding his tractor, perhaps Morgan was taken to that spot by tractor during a normal work day, which would not appear odd to anyone nor would it leave marks viewed as odd or out of place. I recall reading that their were a lot of barbed wire fence to contend with, none of which held any clues. In my opinion the person who placed her there went in and out without a bit of trouble.
Mr. Bass does not cut it himself, that’s correct. Hard for me to address that except for me to say that although it does not look like it in images, where Morgan was located is really in a “hollow”. The person who placed her there still had to cross the creek in at least one place depending on entry.
B
wrt ““…Or does he use the perceived charm of someone less criminally sophisticated to his advantage to rape and murder women?”B”
He grabs & exerts physical control on
a distracted (hands full) or disabled girl
and moves very quickly, from behind,
in the cases of Fairfax & Hannah.
No charm needed.
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I respectfully disagree in the lure phase- as an example, it is my belief that Morgan Harrington met up with him in the lot, arranged a ride, and was heading to the bridge to be picked up. If it truly was Morgan on the bridge, it is my belief she headed back to the lot when that ride was not forthcoming and that is where she was accosted and disabled- dropping her bag and contents.
My point is that in Fairfax, Harrington, and now Graham we now this offender has upfront interaction with his victims that did not cause them the necessary degree of skeeve. He must have at least some level of “charm” or skeeve-masking.
To your point- yes, he is violent predator. He is not attempting to seduce these women and then something goes awry when they resist.
B
@Belsma wrt “I’m not convinced (yet) of any kind of calculation to his actions other than he knows how to fix his mistakes.” I agree with you, and that is why his or an accomplice’s disposition plan is somewhere very familiar to
him, not part of a plantation focus as much as a
familiarity focus–a trusted place. His attacks seem driven by opportunity &
overriding urge.
@ATG. Are there gas station receipts from the TN-Ark route?.
I drove TX to VA a few times in my 20s. I’d ponder a Birmingham to
Louisiana route. and, If he did travel thru Memphis,
then that Hwy South to MS is a locally well-traveled route.
I went multiple times to Memphis a couple decades
ago for surgeries, & it seemed to me like half of Mississippi
traveled up & down that road to Memphis for this or that.
thinking of Corwin, are there
locally known cave areas to the west,
or abandoned mine shafts?
Not per se- but there are plenty of underground stills, very high bootleg area and bootleg running area at one time. He is a burner, imo, I would be furraging though the fire call records- particular brush and anything near entrance/exits the weekend of 9/13/14.
B
What is the connection between JLM and the Bass family? Is there one?
Whoever placed Morgan Harrington on that land knew it, and they did so for a reason.
B
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Blink
Are you suggesting there is a connection between the Bass family and JLM? Some vendetta? Some message?
Blink, do you know if JLM had a computer and if so was it seized at the search?
I know that electronics were seized, but not who they may have belonged to.
B
October 7, 2014 at 2:04 am: Blink says: He is a burner, imo, I would be furraging though the fire call records- particular brush and anything near entrance/exits the weekend of 9/13/14.
B
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Surprised to hear this, I guess. Are you thinking back to the fire in North Garden that occurred the morning that Morgan’s body was found? Time to go back and look at that, I guess.
That has never been excluded in my mind to date.
B
@Belsma, I absolutely think his lawyer will look at the TBI angle. He would be remiss, in my opinion, if he did not explore that. That is one of the reasons I mentioned a few days that ago they LE needs to figure out Matthew’s entire history including when he first developed into a person who stalks, abducts, and murders. I think the timeline is important. Personally, I believe there has to be a juvenile history here and sadly, I think there is going to be a revelation of sexual abuse somewhere along the way as well.
On a different note, it is incredibly important that Hannah be found. As things stand right now, unless there is a crime scene that hasn’t been revealed to the public, this is not a case that can be prosecuted like the Alexis Murphy case. And the DNA link alone for Morgan Harrington might not be enough for a conviction either. There are holes in each case, and the investigators/prosecutors need to stitch at least one of them up tight asap.
* Black Pearl- Very interesting indeed- had not thought of that.
I am reading back a ways and had forgotten about this:
deetee says:
June 23, 2012 at 11:52 pm
yes, diana h. has the link correct (slide #11) referencing the suspicious vehicle in the fairfax case. thank you and sorry i couldn’t respond sooner.
the 218am fire on october 18 was in north garden. it was a structure fire, but if recall correctly, it was not a house fire, or there was no residence at the address of the fire. just about 5 hours after morgan was last seen.
if Morgan was murdered shortly after she disappeared, this might be right around the time she was placed on AF. the fire could have been set as a diversion for LE to make sure they wouldn’t get caught accessing the property, especially if AF/red hill road was a known LE haunt, booty calls or what have you.
Jane says:
October 6, 2014 at 11:15 pm
Re #29: Mindful, could you tell us what you’ve heard locally re “sex ring.” Did you phone that tidbit in to LE? Just curious…
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Jane- I don’t have inside info– indeed what I heard was a rumor about what LE thinks. I am somewhat concerned, that if this is the case, LE will not exert the proper effort to find others who may be involved. I very much suspect that happened with the Randy Taylor/Alexis Murphy case.
Whatever is going on in Central VA needs to be pulled up the roots.
cmosaic says:
“I’m convinced there’s something about Matthew that disarms people. If it works in the moments BEFORE he makes contact with a victim, then it’s bound to work for him in the moments AFTER. I wonder how he’ll look to a jury.”
I imagine when he approached Hannah and put his arm around her he said something to the effect ‘hey girl- it’s not safe to be walking out here by yourself… there’s a guy following you (WG?) so I’m gonna pretend you’re with me as he looks like a serial killer. *If the other man/stalker was involved this could be their schtick?
JM may have gone on saying something like ‘I used to be a cab driver and can get you back to campus’ safe to your friends. He also probably mentioned he works UVA hospital. Those few things (the cab and hospital & concern that a man was following her) would make many naive and (drunk) girls gain instant trust. I’m sure he also said he had some friends in Tango so she’s thinking ok… this guy is just a harmless ‘giant teddy bear’ who is concerned and wants to help- after all, he has friends in the bar so this is safe.
Hannah may have appreciated JM’s ‘concern’ since she herself helped a drunk girl to safety according to her twitter. This was the tweet from Hannah on Aug 29th along with the link to her twitter.
“Got an alone drunk girl to a bus tonight #hoosgotyourback”
https://twitter.com/hegraham25
I think we (especially us females) all have known someone like JM in life (minus the sexual sadistic predator part, of course)- just a big, clunky, not-the-most-attractive goober who is like a big brother. He gets the ‘friend’ card from every woman he meets so we always feel kind of bad for him because he is such a nice guy. He’s always looking out for girls as he knows how men can be dogs and have bad intentions. Girls know they can run to this guy like home base in tag if they’re at a party and are being courted by someone they have no interest in. This is JM to every girl that has known him.
Though he definitely did not give that impression to the women he met and harassed at the bars that night- however one man said in the Coy Barefoot article he was acting more aggressive than normal.
If JM has an accomplice is it a man that is supplying him with roofies?
I’ve heard it be stated that the police should have been called for Hannah. This is a great idea in hindsight but you have to realize that people mostly mind their own business when they’re out (yes, they stare and gossip about whats going on in the bar) and are not going to dial 911 because there is a drunk college girl hanging out at a bar. The cops would have to be called a lot if this were the case! People are naive in social situations and are going to assume the best- they aren’t thinking- OMG this guy is going to take her and probably rape her. It’s unrealistic. They probably assumed they knew each other.
People generally don’t call the cops unless there is a big fight- and even in a bar fight or if there is an unruly patron the bar handles it. In the case of him harassing the females at Tango- unless the woman complained to the bartender or manager, they probably weren’t going to kick him out of the bar. Even so, it wouldn’t have stopped JM from what he was embarking upon.
What would he be burning if he’s “a burner”? Is he burning to destroy– evidence, crime scene location? Or is he burning to distract— planned diversions for local LE and fire companies? Or am I not thinking of an option(s)?
Could be all of the above- perhaps cabs?
B
NOT making an excuse for JLM at all but maybe there is something “off” about him when it comes to these women… perhaps he attempts to be of help initially to them, and they are nice back to him, because they simply appreciate his help, then something inside makes him feel/believe and distort reality, as if any sexual advances he attempts to make towards them is accepted but when they refuse and attempt to stop him, that is when the monster takes over….just a thought, but not an excuse.
well, burning deflects buzzards etc
would be a smart move by a camper
that makes 3 crime scenes: assault, burning,
disposition. But wouldn’t burn residue be on M’s bones?
Neither Morgan’s remains nor the crime scene reflected fire damage. The fire at Sutherland was definitely visible from AF- it was a 12 alarm fire. Anyone who has ever lived near large farm tracts like that knows that not only are you hearing those sirens, trucks, equipment- but it agitates the animals on surrounding farms.
I still say to this day that fire (indirectly, as a property owner, nothing nefarious) prompted David Bass to take that ride on the back side of his property.
B
wrt “Whoever placed Morgan Harrington on that land knew it, and they did so for a reason.”
B
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if so, this suggests a perp with psychotic thinking a la hinckley.
but chicken & egg. which is first, the girl or the message?
The location.
B
Rose
The answer to your questions regarding gas receipts is not known at this time. We have to remember that most of the Interstate Highway System is built on right-of-way of previous federal and sometimes state owned roads. That is why I made the mistake of using the old 75 federal designation for the I-45 route between Houston and Galveston. For example, I-20 follows the route across Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia of old U.S. hwy 80. I can remember driving from Texarkana to Little Rock where a portion of the Arkansas highway was gravel for many miles. That roadbed became a part of I-30 when the Interstate system was built.
In the fall of 1957 I was working on a project to add two 7,600 Hp natural gas fired turbines to an existing gas pipeline compressor station located near Clinton, Mississippi. Construction was in progress on I-57 West of Jackson, Miss. where an interchange was being built connecting I-20 and just a little further West was the interchange with the Natchez Trace Parkway. Both interstate highways had contractors working.
A person the age of JM may not know details about how things were in the past, but he could certainly find old road maps and atlases that would give information regarding roads not known by many people. That information coupled with Google Earth or other computer maping systems could provide the needed information for traveling on roads in Virginia or across country. Though JM projected a persona of a big not so smart “Teddy Bear”, I think he is a lot smarter than he wanted people to know.
first-time
Until it is proven beyond doubt that the fire in the house at North Garden was Not set for concealing/destroying evidence and as a distraction, I will always consider it regarding Morgan’s abduction. Now that we know JM was involved with Morgan, LE should look at some connection with the people occupying or using the house and JM.
Fire?, http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/02/sketch_released_of_suspect_in.php Add Paula sladewski to the list ,then .Miami is straight down I29. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paula+sladewski+video&FORM=VIRE3#view=detail&mid=E74A8502017C6D6FB423E74A8502017C6D6FB423 is this guy too skinny in the video ,i’m on a mini laptop.
I am curious if the Bass family (farm where MH found) knows JLM family or extension thereof. I surmise that somehow, JLM knew the section of land where MH was placed wouldn’t be cut/wasn’t cut or whoever may have assisted JLM knew this. It would have to be someone who knows Bass, not just luck they stumbled upon that spot and choose it.
When you say “he’s a burner” if you exclude the fire in North Garden, is there something else you know of his burning tendencies? I’ve always felt that fire was quite suspicious.
The thing that has confounded me most about the location of Morgan’s remains is that she was in that field, instead of the nearby thick woods. If I’m wanting to hide something – and not wanting it to be found, I’m heading into the woods, not through them to place item on the other side in a field. The field is surrounded by trees on 3 sides! There are woods all along Red Hill Rd and on the other side of the property. Why in that particular spot, and not all that far from the nearest house. Does. Not. Compute.
Statement placement.
B
Blink, is it reasonable to believe that MH’s body was in that field from the very night she disappeared?
Very, and it is mine.
B
skeeve-masking…lol, that’s exactly the word I was looking for.
I think we will hear/are hearing some witnesses come forward to say JLM was anything but a silly, gentle giant. The touchy-feely manner in which he relates to females is a form of aggression and may even be antecedent behavior. In other words, the reactions of the females that he touches in this way may be part of what drives this guy. According to the one female at Tempo he was engaging in this type of behavior before he went prowling and allegedly abducted Hannah.
Btw, the history of the area is interesting to read, but I doubt that it plays a part in this person’s behavior. If he is the perp, he strikes me as a street savvy, opportunistic, violent sexual predator. JMO.
You may be right Grace- and I am not suggesting that the legacy issues we are discussing are an impetus for his criminal behavior or motivation- for now I am simply suggesting the location of Morgan Harrington’s remains and also the crime scene itself are statement related to legacy/history.
The FBI profile to include “location, location, location” is one I agree with.
B
first-time says:
October 7, 2014 at 10:03 am
October 7, 2014 at 2:04 am: Blink says: He is a burner, imo, I would be furraging though the fire call records- particular brush and anything near entrance/exits the weekend of 9/13/14.
B
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Surprised to hear this, I guess. Are you thinking back to the fire in North Garden that occurred the morning that Morgan’s body was found? Time to go back and look at that, I guess.
That has never been excluded in my mind to date.
B
I’ve been thinking about that fire too. Especially after I read that Jesse Matthew went to PVCC part-time in 2007, 2008 and 2011. I know this doesn’t match the date of the fire, but it kind of fell in the middle of the dates he attended. How many Piedmont students were living there at that time? I know one of the guys was in Peru, I think, the owner of the pitbull that was left in the care of room mates?
Any particular reason why you think he’s a burner, Blink?
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/PVCC-Jesse-Matthew-was-Part-Time-Student-at-College-277793032.html
It should be noted that dog perished in the fire.
Roomies had a falling out, was an altercation that evening- nearly everything was moved out of the house.
It should also be noted this fire reignited after North Gden FD left the scene. Hear about that happening a lot?
B
In comparing this case and the one for Morgan Harrington and the behaviors of both young women, I believe that JM acted on their apparent disablement. Hannah was more than a little drunk and Morgan was affected greatly by the fall in JPJ arena plus something that affected her balance in the arena.
A person that has never experienced a blow from a big guy or one who knows how to hit, has no concept of how that feels. JM is big enough and strong enough to put a woman into a state of semi-consciousness with a single open blow from his hand.
Football players often find themselves being hit hard enough that they are forced to operate on automatic until they recover sufficiently to be able to think. That recovery can extend over several minutes. There is usually the realization that something is missing when one recovers. There is no memory of the blacked out period. I know this from experience.
I think JM makes a promise of help,then gets them in a place where no other persons are present and strikes them hard enough to disable any resistance. He then may place them in a vehicle and restrain them while being transported.
What vehicle was used to transport Hannah or Morgan? Those facts need to be determined. Did JM use a taxi or an unmarked “private” car in Morgan’s case or his orange beat up Chrysler in Hannah’s case?
Blink, I too, think he is a burner. I would like to be able to run through the 911 calls made within the week of Hannah’s disappearance. Does anyone have a link to that info in the Charlottesville area? Or surrounding counties?
As an investigative step, is there any consideration to contacting JLM’s auto insurance company (assuming he had it) to see if any claims have been reported recently? Additionally, searching the ISO (Insurance Services Office) database which is free for LE may be another consideration to take a look at his claim history. ISO will also hit on LPRs (license plate readers) in some areas. In my experience people don’t take insurance company investigations as serious as LE investigations, so they disclose information which might seem benign in the civil setting, but quite inflammatory in a criminal case. One example which comes to mind, I had someone give the location of an accident during a recorded interview and later LE used that interview to establish the person was in close proximity to a crime they were accused of committing.
Also, what about Carfax or Autocheck on both vehicles JLM was seen driving? In some cases those reports will show accident indicators and service records which could assist with establishing vehicle usage and history.
Nagol- those are excellent suggestions. Some are not available to the general public, but I can tell you they have been run down extensively. To the part of your point I can comment on- VERY FREQUENTLY when we have an unsub or crime we are trying to put a fence around (investigative lingo) we look at every nuance of an area- accidents, hospital admissions, traffic tickets, police incident reports, abandoned calls to 911, fires, break-ins, the like… Pretend we can put a glass dome over a designated area like a terrarium- and study it inch by inch really.
B
On the “legacy” issue: many slaves took the sir name of their owner, it does not mean that they were biological offspring, although some were. JM might feel entitled because his family worked and lived on one or more plantations/farms around here; or he might believe that he is a relation. I am not sure that “payback” would have to come into it, maybe he is simply making a statement: “This is mine.” Clearly he has possession on his mind, possession of human beings, possession of land…?
On Saturday, Sept. 13 twilight was at 6:27 a.m. and the sun rose at 6:54 a.m. That’s five hours that the suspect could have worked under the shroud of darkness.
The low temp was 56 degrees and the highs were in the mid-70s. Sleeping outdoors would have definitely been manageable.
A small amount of rain fell: 0.01 inches. There was no rain during the four days prior to Hannah’s disappearance so the ground would have been dry early Saturday morning.
The moon that evening was almost third-quarter — so about half of the moon was illuminated.
Anyone familiar with Rivanna River And the Wool Mill? Is it within the 8 mile search area? Still trash areas there?
Just a guess, but he may have moved fast to a spot easy to reach and familiar to a fisherman. The manipulative charm described by some posters is consistent with some well known S.K.s Praying daily.
Crime scene? Accomplice(s)?
Fire In North Garden Destroys House
Posted: Jan 26, 2010 8:15 AM PST Updated: Feb 09, 2010 8:07 AM PST
snips>
An early morning fire destroyed an Albemarle County home on Sutherland Road just before 2 a.m. Tuesday.
Crews from the North Garden, Crozet and Charlottesville fire departments battled the blaze for several hours. Four college students were in the home when the fire started but all were able to get out safely.
The students living in the home were renting the property and they planned on moving out next week. All of them have places to stay.
They are still looking for their dog, however. It is a white faced pit bull named Blanca.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/11881770/fire-in-north-garden-destroys-house
first-time says:
October 7, 2014 at 10:03 am
October 7, 2014 at 2:04 am: Blink says: He is a burner, imo, I would be furraging though the fire call records- particular brush and anything near entrance/exits the weekend of 9/13/14.
B
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Surprised to hear this, I guess. Are you thinking back to the fire in North Garden that occurred the morning that Morgan’s body was found? Time to go back and look at that, I guess.
That has never been excluded in my mind to date.
B
That’s the one. JLM has connections to the residents.
B
I just saw a piece by Gil Harrington. I get a lot of “Save the Next Girl” chapters on my FB feed. This was from Sept. 30. Beautifully written. Lots of thoughts in it and she talk about Morgan’s gold ring. She has it now; the police just recently turned it over to her.
Interesting to me, she tells how LJ was a HS football star — that went no where. Still, who was guiding him and his once promising football career? Didn’t he even change HSs? Odd.
Also, just saw a KPRC report (KPRC is a Houston radio and TV station). They had pictures of the inside of his sister’s car. The ash tray was full … on the seat was a yellow envelope and a religious audio tape. The writing on the yellow envelope said to please read my letter before opening the envelope – enclosed are three tools, ?? Inside the envelope was a cross.
More importantly for me was the penmanship on the envelope. It was very very good. Whoever wrote that had a good education. It kind of reminded me of my mom’s handwriting. Someone knew he was running …
At first, I thought it was something LJ wrote — but somebody that cares for him helped him and wished him God’s speed is what I think now.
Who helped Lj navigate LJ’s HS football … and my guess is, college football as well. They must know a lot about LJ and his secrets.
I see Sutherland Rd, No Garden, is proximate to
Red Hill Rd and so on. So, if involved in the fire,
the household interior, not Morgan, would have been burned
to eliminate the crime scene? Would explain how 4
escaped despite the vigor of the fire. But, was there an arson
investigation?
I located where Blink addressed the fire details before in her piece at
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/04/11/morgan-harrington-murder-coincidences-or-clues/comment-page-5/
has Albermarle Count PD improved since this?
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/2381601.html?device=phone
recent interesting fed grand jury indictment out of Albemarle
http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/richmond/press-releases/2014/eight-indicted-on-federal-racketeering-charges
Rose says:
October 7, 2014 at 10:42 pm
I see Sutherland Rd, No Garden, is proximate to
Red Hill Rd and so on. So, if involved in the fire,
the household interior, not Morgan, would have been burned
to eliminate the crime scene? Would explain how 4
escaped despite the vigor of the fire. But, was there an arson
investigation?
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@Rose, I read that initially the fire department thought the fire was an accidental electrical fire, which started in one of the bedrooms. I have not been able to find the final disposition of the arson investigation.
I don’t believe this fire was related to finding Morgan’s remains. JMO