BREAKING NEWS: Jesse Matthew Abduction of Hannah Graham also linked to Morgan Harrington Murder
BREAKING NEWS- sources inside the investigation of both the murder of Morgan Dana Harrington and the abduction with the intent to defile of 2nd year student at UVA, Hannah Graham have confirmed to S. Christina Stoy, Editor in Chief of www.blinkoncrime.com that DNA belonging to Jesse Leroy Matthew, Jr matches the DNA link to that of a wanted suspect in the Harrington murder.
Further tests are being conducted to connect Mr. Matthew to a 2005 Fairfax sexual assault as well.
This is a developing story, please check back for updates.
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So, the residents of the burned house in NG were known to JM. How were they connected to him and did any have any brushes with the law back then or now? Are any of these folks still in the area?
Yes, not prepared to publish the specifics- I assume some of these folks are now being re-interviewed.
B
Does this statement by Longo mean that there is no basis for looking for Hannah outside the commonwealth, because they have thoroughly checked out JM’s car and his sisters car and there’s no evidence that Hannah was inside either of them? That confuses me… TIA for answers from anyone..
“There is also new information about the reason Longo says investigators believe Graham is in Virginia: there is no substantive basis to believe she left the commonwealth.”
http://www.nbc29.com/story/26728997/police-dig-for-details-on-suspect-as-search-for-hannah-graham-continues
The presumption is based on Matthew’s confirmed whereabouts, imo.
B
Interesting history of the black community of Hydraulic Mills- Union Ridge, right near the Rivanna Reservoir. The watershed of this Rivanna reservoir evidently in this area was purchased for $100/acre. This location of historic African American village was obliterated in 1966 by the flooding of the newly created Rivanna Reservoir. There seem to be some tensions in the area based on this particular period of history and other events coming along in the seventies, relating to this body of water, as well as the residential development or lack thereof of the Hugh Carr farm.
It is hard to determine exactly the history from reading the published history.
Question: as regards the location where Morgan Harrington was placed, what does this translate to in the former village of Hydraulic Mills-Union Ridge, and does this specific location have significance in this former village. Or significance as relates to the property takings and purchases in the 1960′s and 1970′s as the reservoir was developed, and then later as residential development was guided by authorities.
Might there be some point being made that this creek bed was dry, related to the property takings for watershed whatever they may have been.
http://www.centralvirginiahistory.org/SammonsCemetery6.shtml
Interesting conversations. I have been thinking about the fire the morning Morgan was found as well. Very interesting to learn he had connections to the residents.
I agree that he approaches these woman in a very non-violent, non-assuming manner. They do not feel threatened upon initial interaction. I also would not be surprised to find out if he finds a way to slip these woman something. I think once he has them, then he turns aggressive sexually and physically, but does not present any sense of that up front.
We used to have a dog when I first got married that we had to give away when I got pregnant with our first child. He was a great guard dog, but not a family god. The dog was a big baby around my husband and I and our close friends and family, but if he didn’t get to know you as a puppy, he wasn’t willing to get to know you. BUT, around strangers, he would wag his tail and just look at you completely calm and once he knew you were in his reach, he would try to attack, (always went for the face). Never growled, never barked. This reminds me of what LJM. He gives no danger vibes off.
Mosaic- thanks for providing research for weather etc on Sat, Sept 13 around CVille.
Re- route Jesse drove from CVille to Texas/Bolivar. Just a few thoughts as I have driven from VA to Texas both ways in the past couple of years several times. The key IMHO in finding his route should be based on LJM’s “borrowed” phone in Louisiana. I have driven SOUTH from VA through N Carolina, GA /Atlanta, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana to Texas. To get to Louisiana from VA you avoid Tennessee/ Arkansas entirely (or at least I do.)
He may likely have driven similar. (Quite far south from VA then across lower down)
MORE COMMON EXPECTED ROUTE I don’t believe he drove: VA, across Tennessee (Knoxville, Nashville, Memphis) into Arkansas (Little Rock, Texarkana) into East Texas then south.
NO REASON IMHO to believe LJM drove that way when fleeing to TX in his sister’s car.
I am of the thinking that the FBI knew basically where he was during his exit/ knew where his sister’s car was & allowed him a little more noose to hang himself with by letting him drive on and on since there is no body & may never be. Presumption of guilt manifested strongly in his exit strategy. I’m also of the thinking that FBI was in Bolivar eyes on subject before he was “spotted” by blondie. Again. Maybe I’m giving them too much credit but hey, after they matched his initial DNA from first apt search in CODIS they damn well knew this was the big one.
Maybe I’m giving the FBI more credit than I should but I doubt it.
What are the chances that HG’s body was moved by an accomplice who panicked with the widespread news of her disappearance and search efforts?
I think it has more to do with the amount of people that were involved and who was responsible- but I would not be surprised to learn she was moved after one of these felons got pinched.
Lastly, I still maintain there is CI activity involved.
B
I agree that at least one person close to Matthew is helping LE. Girlfriend who recently broke up with him, perhaps. Roommate also a possibility.
As far as Sutherland Rd., the post above refreshed my memory that the roommates there were one week away from moving out. And Matthew and his roommates at Hessian Hills were also close to moving out. I know people of that age move frequently but that is a coincidence that may be worth thinking about.
As I recall, one or two already had, but everyone’s belongings were already moved for the most part.
I know that FF’s were instructed to save the slate as best they could.
B
I think it has more to do with the amount of people that were involved and who was responsible- but I would not be surprised to learn she was moved after one of these felons got pinched.
Lastly, I still maintain there is CI activity involved.
B
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That is a scary thought, “…more to do with the amount of people that were involved and who was responsible…”
WTH. Blink, am I understanding your comment right? Is there possibly a group (more than 1) who are tag-teaming on these girls rapes/disappearances? Does one act and the other(s) assist the clean-up/disposal? Is there some type of heinous group, gang, pact, that have this dark secret of what their circle does for kicks. Does anyone have a conscience or any type of moral compass anymore?? It sounds as though JMs family is spiritual/Christian but I guess that didn’t roll down his alley. smh
CI?
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You mentioned in the 2010 article, iirc, one
house resident had hunted on Anchorage
Farm. relevant imo to whoever knew that
land, and knew the hay was uncut.
Do you think whoever placed her there had a
grudge against Bass or his daughter?
I can’t say for sure one way or another if his issue was legacy/statement or personal. There are some facts to support both potentially.
B
“…..which is first, the girl or the message?
The location.
B”
Summarizing, looking for correction if I misunderstand:
you said “the location”, an open field to which she was taken the
night of her abduction, makes a “statement” relevant to JLM’s, and perhaps
associate(s), “profile.” And the location statement is primary.
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If you say JLM is a “burner,” that implies his presence on Sutherland Rd
the night the body was found, when both fires ignited.
I have reason to believe that the Sutherland property fire was intentional.
I can connect JLM to persons associated with both the property and the tenants during this timeframe.
I am going to be forthright and say that arson investigation ( with much respect to investigators) is the number one form of forensic reporting to be excluded, cause for overturning of verdicts and non-standard using headache for analysts there is among the forensic analyst community bar none. I attended a CLE on this specifically last year and nearly gasped out loud. You know who the BEST investigators are for potential of intentionally set- fires? Insurance adjustors.
3 months after that fire an arson canine was purchased- funny story on that, LOL, the reporter who covered the article on it’s acquisition was a colleague and the dog’s name was Bink. She reported him as Blink. LOL
Her news editor told her she was spending too much time reading BOC.
FWIW, that home was not rebuilt.
People have asked- so why would you assume that whoever set that fire would assume that it’s setting would ultimately recover Morgan? I don’t. I think it logical that a fire across the street will logically prompt a landowner to check their property and it’s accesses.
B
Check out Carr Family History – Ivy Creek Foundation. Has someone traced JM mother’s lineage?
Bass comment
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/07/virginia-farmer-who-found-remains-in-0-wonders-if-vast-land-holds-next-grim/
erose says:
October 7, 2014 at 9:25 pm
That’s the one. JLM has connections to the residents.
B
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WOW.
What does CI stand for?
And I still haven’t let go of that other guy who was following her.
I, too, keep thinking about “location, location, location” regarding Morgan’s remains. Were there possibly trespass issues surrounding that location? Continued prayers for Hannah’s family.
The week after Morgan went missing there was a poaching sting, ban on something called deer spotting, etc.
Yes, I realize we are going back pretty far here, but Colby Eppard ( Shot dead by Police on 20) the NYD prior to Morgan’s recovery- and some associates were charged with stealing ATV’s from an adjacent property.
B
There has been a lot of discussion about JM’s intelligence and historical knowledge, but at think that at times we overthink these issues. Out canine-american family member supposedly has the intelligence of a 2 year old child, but is capable of great cunning and successfully hiding objects.
Most likely, growing up around his mother and grandmother, he would have heard the old family stories. Driving around, sites of family historic interest would likely have been pointed out. For example, “That was your great grand-dad’s farm” etc. Receiving oral family history, he would likely know a good deal about events affecting his family, but would also likely hear a biased version which may or may not line up with the “historical record”.
Successfully hiding a body only requires knowledge of an out-of-the-way location, to which many locals would be privy. I doubt he would use google earth, but would likely have knowledge of various locations from hunting or fishing trips.
I also get the sense that he has learned from his mistakes.
1) Known Victim #1 was beaten but allowed to escape when a passer-by came upon the scene and was able to identify him.
2) Known Victim #2 (MH) was taken to an out-of-the-way location and killed – no witness, no ID. Shirt linked him to victim #1 – was this taunting or a mistake?
3) Known Victim #3 hasn’t been found, but there were witnesses all over the place. This seems like either a set-back (he was drunk), or somehow he feels himself invincible. But he did apparently disable her phone, so he was thinking to some degree. ???
“Asked whether there was any knowledge of “field parties” on the Anchorage Farm property, Rader responded that “there were some activities on the farm, which we’re not going to speak about now.” He reiterated that people who know the North Garden and Anchorage Farm property shoud call the new tip line to speak with police.”
http://www.c-ville.com/State_Police_calls_access_to_Anchorage_Farm_high_risk_for_those_who_don/#.VDVgMtm9Kc0
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http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=david+&mn=&ln=bass&age=&city=charlottesville&state=VA&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=75&y=15
Daughter about same age as JLM.
Attended same high school?
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No- I believe both the Bass girls were St. Anne’s
B
I wonder if Bass didn’t cut his
dry hay to discourage bonfire parties in that location.
Reason to check fences regularly as well.
Is it me or are others getting an occasional error “Error establishing a database connection” when navigating around BOC site? I thought work may have started to block my access to BOC but it happened at home while on my phone as well.
fixed – was on our end.
B
kathleen says:
October 8, 2014 at 10:19 am
Check out Carr Family History – Ivy Creek Foundation. Has someone traced JM mother’s lineage?
http://www2.vcdh.virginia.edu/afam/raceandplace/perl_scripts/search_funeral.cgi?start_page=1&last=Carr
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2514687
DBA Jesse L Matthew Jr
2480 Ponderosa Trl
Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-7829
United StatesDBA Jesse L Matthew Jr
2480 Ponderosa Trl
Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-7829
United States
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=hf2g1cpfkqm6ue436rh33f2ai2&topic=15454.820http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=hf2g1cpfkqm6ue436rh33f2ai2&topic=15454.820
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I urge all to go over to SM and look at the map of how close this address is to Anchorage Farm. It shows his business was at this address in 2010 Did he live there when Morgan was killed or did he move there after?
blink says:
Neither Morgan’s remains nor the crime scene reflected fire damage. The fire at Sutherland was definitely visible from AF- it was a 12 alarm fire. Anyone who has ever lived near large farm tracts like that knows that not only are you hearing those sirens, trucks, equipment- but it agitates the animals on surrounding farms.
I still say to this day that fire (indirectly, as a property owner, nothing nefarious) prompted David Bass to take that ride on the back side of his property.
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now is probably a good time to point out that a north garden firefighter (cw) noted on his facebook page that he called in a tip on morgan’s case just after this fire and was excited that he got a call back.
i’m going with he made a connection between the fire and discovery of morgan’s remains on this one.
while we are at it, let’s not forget the joking around by a different north garden firefighter, who happened to be an electrican, about someones electrical skills causing fires.
Yes. Mr. Whindleton, who has mutual friends with JLM.
B
@ Anita-CI=Confidential Informant
RE: AF-Risking being Captain Obvious here, but whoever “knew” that area of the field would be uncut would know that because it is topographically a low spot and would most likely be historically too wet to cut at that time of year…
Slow- not so and not true of October 2009. That said, I can’t say that Bass did not cut hay in intervals based on location.
B
October 8, 2014 at 10:12 am
I think it logical that a fire across the street will logically prompt a landowner to check their property and it’s accesses.
B
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So, the implication is that a fire on Sutherland would move the search southwest a few miles, I suppose, away from Red Hill Rd? If that is the gist, then fires set around the days of HG’s disappearance would likely not be very near where she was left? Is that what we should be getting from this?
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Colby Eppard charged with stealing an ATV on an adjacent property to the Bass property or the Sutherland property? Approximate date, anyone?
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Finally, as to insurance adjusters: I wonder if no insurance claim was made as to the fire? No adjuster=no thorough investigation? Save the slate? I wonder who salvaged it. Has the Sutherland property changed hands since the fire, I wonder?
Off to do some digging…
Ode says:
October 6, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Interesting that you could choose a route right through Little Rock on the way to Galveston.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Galveston.com,+523+24th+Street+Rear+%23101,+Galveston,+TX+77550/Charlottesville,+VA/@33.6334925,-91.3236963,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x863f9e6bfba5af11:0xf94ceab23cd1b6ff!2m2!1d-94.794572!2d29.303553!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3862dea50a48f:0x9086f096c38b74fc!2m2!1d-78.4766781!2d38.0293059!5i2
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susanm says:
October 6, 2014 at 10:51 am
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/missing-arkansas-college-student-found-dead-in-pond/ there was this case in Ark. IT is an old black slave cemetery,that rests Meriwether/Lewis slaves or kin.
Note the date. Jus sayin
B
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I have chills folks. I have been trying to find this information about a girl found dead in a cemetery. I remember Dr. Pepper talking about it when it happened or she was talking about another one. Dr. Pepper if you are reading do you remember any of this?
Area of the cemetary Jamisha Gilbert- no ties to JLM to date, but it would not cross my desk as accidental hypothermia as investigated.
B
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It’s widely believed that her murderers were possibly known to her. She mainly speaks spanish. Not much done with the case at all.
Ode says:
October 6, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Interesting that you could choose a route right through Little Rock on the way to Galveston.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Galveston.com,+523+24th+Street+Rear+%23101,+Galveston,+TX+77550/Charlottesville,+VA/@33.6334925,-91.3236963,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x863f9e6bfba5af11:0xf94ceab23cd1b6ff!2m2!1d-94.794572!2d29.303553!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3862dea50a48f:0x9086f096c38b74fc!2m2!1d-78.4766781!2d38.0293059!5i2
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susanm says:
October 6, 2014 at 10:51 am
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/missing-arkansas-college-student-found-dead-in-pond/ there was this case in Ark. IT is an old black slave cemetery,that rests Meriwether/Lewis slaves or kin.
Note the date. Jus sayin
B
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I have chills folks. I have been trying to find this information about a girl found dead in a cemetery. I remember Dr. Pepper talking about it when it happened or she was talking about another one. Dr. Pepper if you are reading do you remember any of this?
Area of the cemetary Jamisha Gilbert- no ties to JLM to date, but it would not cross my desk as accidental hypothermia as investigated.
B
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It’s widely believed that her murderers were possibly known to her. She mainly spoke spanish. Not much done with the case at all.
Her death was classified as accidental, there is no current homicide investigation. Only way that gets another look is if her family escalates the issue.
B
Don’t you think that someone out there was possibly thinking JM was responsible for MH’s murder. A friend or family member possibly noticed odd behavior, mood swings, scratches. Maybe that person(s) jokingly said something – especially after Sketch – but JM convinced them otherwise. I’ll bet the past is coming back to haunt someone that now has realized it’s Jessee who is linked to MHs murder and now Hannah Graham’s demise. I hope that person or persons is big enough to come forward.
I will say only this. 4 years later and now with a name and face to the DNA- we come back to the exact same pool of folks.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/04/11/morgan-harrington-murder-coincidences-or-clues/
The former owner of the Sutherland property is buried on Anchorage Farm. A relative of the current owners has hunted the Anchorage Farm property.
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Interesting that you can tie JLM to Sutherland through tenents or owner.
Many large landowners do not hay their own property, or not all of it. They often allow farmers (as in people who make their living farming, not owning farms) to use the land for either grazing or haying or both just so the fields stay mowed and maintained. These arrangements are very, very common here in Virginia. If Mr. Bass also does that, or has done that, then there are people outside of the Bass family and their employees who would have working knowledge of the fields, etc. My neighbor across the street has a 200 acre farm where he grows crops, raises cattle, chickens, etc. It is a decent-sized operation and he also uses several other tracts of land, including the hay field adjacent to my property, for his farming operations. He has several employees in addition to family members—those employees have no direct connection to the owners of the additional tracts of land. In addition, I have permission to ride out on the land next to me and that is also very common. And our little “neighborhood” has permission to access the pond that sits on three properties, including mine. Every once in a while, I look out and someone is fishing off of my dock. So potentially there need not be a direct connection between Matthew and the Bass family for Matthew to know what is going on at AF. I would be looking at friends and family who farm, work on a farm, have worked on a farm, etc., especially a farm that serves as a second home for the owners.
I found a picture of the house that burned. It is an old house on a property that has a newer house where the owner lives (there are two addresses 3323 and 3321 Sutherland Rd.). In 2009, they also built what looks to be a horse barn. Where is the slate that was supposed to be saved? The roof looks to be red tin in the picture. Based on the pic, wherever the slate was, it was probably the most valuable part of the house. Totally off topic but interesting: the county south of Albemarle, Buckingham, is known worldwide for its unique slate deposit.
Scratch that…I posted on previous thread by mistake. Muddy mind.
Happy Thanksgiving to my Canuck friends, this coming weekend! <3
2*4*1 for Hannah and Morgan xo
“The Virginia Department of Emergency Management brought in six surveillance analysts to pour through high-definition images collected from a plane over the weekend. They can zoom down to spot something as small as out-of-place tire tracks.”
http://www.nbc29.com/story/26736641/search-for-hannah-graham-stretches-into-earlysville
Blink, really, there IS a connection with JM and the house and roommates at Sutherland? And the dog owner that went abroad during that time? Now that JM is caught, I hope that it all comes out. If there are multiple people involved or if JM is a lone serial rapist killer.
Has everyone seen this video of a ‘drunk woman at a bar’ being led away by a man while patrons look on? See something, say something. Do something.
http://www.upworthy.com/most-of-these-people-do-the-right-thing-but-the-guys-at-the-end-i-wish-i-could-yell-at-them-4
Morgan was left in a “hollow” — uncovered yet protected by the surrounding wooded area.
Is it possible that this was an act of *displaying* her remains — perhaps for his own benefit — instead of a concealed discard of her remains? How were her limbs positioned? Did they appear to be staged as if someone took care in placing her there? Was she facing up or facing down?
Uncovered vs covered. If a body is covered, the aim is to conceal it. Not so if it’s uncovered.
It needs to be determined exactly how much taxi driver questioning was done by Law Enforcement in the Morgan Harrington investigation. IIRC that may be one of the most obvious details which was the huge failure in this case. That and failing to immediately connect the dots on the ATV theft and “deer” spotting which is hideous. As a concerned parent and taxpayer of this Commonwealth, now that this horrifying ordeal has happened AGAIN, I do indeed insist on some answers as to how this was not shut down by Law Enforcement five years ago.
Whatever route this takes there needs to be full accountability as to why this case has taken now five years to get some answers. I do believe that a lot of the answers rest in theories put forth in this very website, and the lack of logic, and wrapped around the spoke nonsense that the commentariat saw in some of this previous LE investigation going back five years, such as the mysterious lack of video tape, the lack of credible taxi questioning, the unanswered questions about the bouncers at the arena, the failure of the ABC regulators to regulate commercial bars in Hannah’s case to observe the law when ABC agents are all over the college KIDS about busting them for buying water (which tells me that political influence is a serious problem here in waving off Law Enforcement, and that is called CORRUPTION)—– the seeming lack of connecting very obvious dots.
IF he taxi company gOt questioned and lied, there are charges for that. Same for the rest.
Also it appears that the enablers of this situation are coming forth loud and clear in the news articles defending this “gentle” suspect. I understand the tendency of LE to tread lightly, based on the historical tensions in this locale, but there is simply no excuse for allowing this horrific crime to happen again out of “not hurting feelings”, or “political correctness”, or treading lightly because of historical prominence of a few individuals.
No excuse. Whatsoever.
Slowroller
The field where Morgan was found may have been chosen to lie fallow so that the existing growth would eventually be pushed down by the weather and help build the soil. There is also the possibility that it was not cut so that deer could bed down in the high grass. That would help the hunters that were allowed to hunt the property.
If JM and others knew of this field where the grass was allowed to grow, then it made the perfect spot. This particular field was low enough so that it was difficult to see from the residence.
The problem LE has is getting enough information to locate Hannah. They could also be working on the possibility that there are a group of people involved in stalking and abducting young women in that part of Virginia. I hope that VSP is fully cooperating by sharing all the information they gathered regarding Morgan.
Save the slate on the roof was a good admonition to the fire fighters. Slate is very expensive, but it makes a great roof cover. It may have been the most valuable part of the structure.
If the alarm level was high as reported, there is little likelyhood that a hot spot would be left or that one of the fire companies would not be left on site for a period of time. The re-ignition of the fire had to be deliberate by someone and for a particular reason.
SUMMARY OF BLINK’S FIRE ARTICLE AND LATER COMMENTS:
If I understand correctly, Blink is saying that Morgan’s body was discovered after a fire and surrounding commotion started across 29S on Sutherland Road (Jan. 25th 10pm to 26th), which may have prompted Bass to search his land later in the morning. (Distance between the two properties is about 4 miles.) Bass found Morgan’s body during his search. Oddly, there were TWO fires at the Sutherland property that night, a second starting two hours after all FFs and vehicles had left the original. Blink asks how and why? So maybe the second fire was an attempt to conceal evidence and/or cause a distraction. The second fire may have started almost as soon as Bass discovered Morgan’s remains–recall Blink saying that MH’s body was visible from elsewhere high on a hill. Someone may have been watching Bass. Residents of the burning house (PVCC student renters) were moving out shortly (they were not getting along as housemates), and at least one was out of the country. Could it be that those connected to Morgan’s murder realized her body might be or had been found due to the commotion of the midnight fire and were taking precautions by setting a second fire? Meanwhile, a volunteer fire fighter from North Garden (that’s the village there) who hung out a lot with a sex offender in the very same area took a midnight ride with 3-4 relatives on the night of the 27th to New Jersey (!) and was back the following afternoon, the 28th (!). What were they up to? And some of these people may have stolen ATVs from property nearby. To top it off, Jesse Matthew has “connections,” says Blink, to some or all of these people.
Phew. Correct me if I’m wrong, please.
What I think I am “picking up” is there was a homestead fire, probable arson,
at a property in the same neighborhood as AF, concommitant with–tho not then
associated with–the discovery of MH. And it is possible the “concommitant” was to direct to, or
distract from, her location.
So the suggestion is to look for brush fires or unexpected, perhaps arson, property
fires, and search in a radius from same that equals or exceeds Sutherland house’
distance from AF?
Thanks Blink! I appreciate your time.
“The presumption is based on Matthew’s confirmed whereabouts, imo.
B”
Rose
The story of the fire as related by one of the young women who lived there has holes all over the place. The claim was the fire was started by a faulty cord shorting on an iron. This person also claimed that she was in bed and she saw the ceiling above her start to fall into her room. Unless there was a wind blowing twenty or more mph to move the smoke,she would have been overcome by the smoke in about two minutes and never made it out of the house.
When I was a child, an ironing board was likely to be a piece of oak, hickory, maple or long leaf pine. It would be covered with cotton sheeting taken from old worn sheets. That could start a real fire if the iron was left flat or knocked over and not moved in time. Today, ironing board covers are made from fire retardant materials that may scorch, but not produce flames.
We don’t have any information about the condition of the electrical system in the house as to its being updated. The house was at least fifty or more years old. The electrical receptacles on the wall could have been old or there could have been an extension cord in use that was too small to handle the current.
My theory is that someone who knew how to start a fire with a load on a damaged extension cord did the deed. When the fire was declared out and the fire crews left the scene, someone saw that the desired damage wasn’t accomplished and re-started it.
Blink stated that JM was a burner, indicating that he likes to start fires. She probably has information to support that statement.
The more we know, the more we are left with questions. I am hoping that Chief Longo and his investigative team will discover all they need to put JM and any of his enablers or cohorts in prison where they belong. Making the hwy 29 corridor a safer place.
That still does not solve the problem of young women learning how to not make mistakes that result in placing themselves in dangerous situations. I just don’t understand the need for young people to drink themselves under the table or to consume drugs that accomplish similar conditions. What is cool about that?
@ATG. Imo JLM was an opportunistic lone ranger in the abduction & assault phase.
The disposition phase is a wild card due to his pitiful gentle me demeanor.
He could have solicited family or friends to assist.
Or, he could have disclosed too much in a chatterbox way after the fact,
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OT ATG. Slate slate. My poverty–no family I knew ever owned a house–and husband’s had farm shacks. So when the first rain in our new bought house soaked thru 2 stories, we learned we had no nails (rusted), so the new roofers hauled off all our slate to help us & gave us dandy asphalt.
Rose you are precious.
B
Blink, with great respect, I am sure you didn’t mean to imply that insurance adjusters are arson investigators. Insurance companies hire arson investigators. While he was pursuing his undergraduate degree, my nephew was lucky to have as a professor one of the most esteemed arson investigators in the country. I am aware many investigators aren’t lucky enough to be trained by the best, and this can sometimes lead to errors. We had a case in our state that was investigated by an arson investigator who was using out of date methods and was basing his reports on what most up-to-date investigators would refer to as “myths.”
Anyhoo, I am still not convinced that fire was related to the MH’s murder. Mr. Bass said he was out checking his fence line; he said nothing (in the articles I’ve read) about the fire. Having lived on a 4000 acre ranch earlier in my life I can tell you that checking the fence line is very important. When you have cattle, intact fencing is paramount. You also want to check your fence line and gates for evidence of trespassing. Perhaps Mr. Bass had concerns. Do we know what types of activities, if any, they may have had at the farm (e.g., field parties)? If so, that may be why JLM was familiar with the area.
But back to the fire: Blink, are you saying that one of the occupants of that house started the fire? I can’t imagine anyone in that house deliberately starting the fire and not rescuing Blanca. I am going to search some records and see what I can find.
All JMHO.
You are correct Grace- arson investigators ( sometimes employed by Insurance companies directly as dedicated adjusters to fire incidents, etc) are not always adjustors and vice-versa. This is one of those times I wish I could discuss my private cases- because I have one relating to an arson charge where we may have hired the expert person you referenced as our expert to refute (again you know your stuff, lol) what I would also term incorrect and generalizations of outdated forensic approach. I am in no way a “fire analyst”- if I had to pick one area I am weak in it would be that- but to your point, in the forensic and legal community I recently attended a CLE in my Criminal Justice Committee of the ABA and arson investigation was by far the number one complaint as far as non-standards for evidence collection, review and analysis. The amount of variables that need to be present to classify a fire’s origin and whether or not it was set intentionally or accidentally are voluminous, but more than that- HIGHLY subjective. Even the expert’s I have dealt with, with similar training can come up with very different viewpoints. Did I mention I HATE arson elements of any case I work on, lol?
Because it looks like the chief and/or officer FF were still on scene ( I can’t remember what time they cleared the scene but I do recall I could not conclude they were not still there) it is also possible as you know that they were conducting their investigation and re-lit the fire. Will sound odd to some, but one of the best ways to test for accellerant at origin or suspected origin is to try to re-light.
**I do not know** if that is what caused the fire to re-ignite, but I will say it was a 12 alarm fire and I have a few pics of the home extinguished and a few comments from the FF that were on the original scene that cause me to think they were stunned it was not “out”- at least originally. I have no reason to believe a resident set the fire, or to point a finger at who may have if it was intentional arson.
I have only questions and circumstances that in my education training and experience compel me to want to exclude both on it’s own, and in context of Morgan’s recovery location.
Abstract: Would it pique your interest as to the possibility if I told you that:
1. A suspect in Morgan’s murder, connected through a DNA link, is associated with both the owners and some residents of the property.
2. An individual with an ownership stake in the property has a prior criminal record involving drug distribution and had a relative with an inhcoate interest who was indicted for coke distribution 5 days after Morgan was found, 4 days after the fire, but under investigation by JADE since early November. All of the aforementioned are associated with #1.
“On The Fence” issue- ( lol, could not resist). You are 100% correct that Bass was checking his fence line, and truth is there was a breach near where we believe Morgan’s killer or killers entered the tree line toward the creek. Slightly before Morgan was found there was a warming trend causing terrential rains which caused many trees to uproot, downed telephone poles, etc. The main house wires on AF are buried, but the farmhouse wires are not and those poles rest on the perimeter of the property above where Morgan was located.
I realize at times I interject my divinity beliefs in an investigation, and those with differing views (not you) may not agree- but here is where I believe Mr. Bass was a conduit for Morgan Harrington.
Sutherland and Bass go waaaaaayyyyy back. A 12 alarm fire at that time in the morning on that property is very visible from the Bass home and in addition- very unsettling to animals on both properties. As you prolly know from living on a farm- if your animals are disturbed you’re going to need to check that out and take action if necessary- to include making sure there are no breaches to the property where they can get out or into the woods. It would not surprise me to learn that Bass was checking the fence lines due to the fire across the road, he may not even be aware of that impetus in his mind then or now, I don’t know.
Bottom line- compelling reasons to attempt to exclude Sutherland fire, does not mean it is related, I agree.
But for me, it is in till it is out.
ps. Give my best to your nephew- that is a field that is in desperate need of top notch forensic investigators like no other, imo.
Olivia says:
October 8, 2014 at 9:09 pm
SUMMARY OF BLINK’S FIRE ARTICLE AND LATER COMMENTS:
If I understand correctly, Blink is saying that Morgan’s body was discovered after a fire and surrounding commotion started across 29S on Sutherland Road (Jan. 25th 10pm to 26th), which may have prompted Bass to search his land later in the morning. (Distance between the two properties is about 4 miles.) Bass found Morgan’s body during his search. Oddly, there were TWO fires at the Sutherland property that night, a second starting two hours after all FFs and vehicles had left the original. Blink asks how and why?
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I can tell you how this second fire may have started. The fire probably was not completely extinguished the first time. Even the smallest ember can reignite a fire, sometimes hours after the firefighters leave the scene. This recently happened at a structure fire in my area.
Don’t have the whole picture yet, just in case this is significant.
l Ward, William T., trustee to Ward, William Thomas, Jr., 25.24 acress and 13.27 acres, gift.
l Ward, William Thomas, Jr to Houchens, Constance Ward, 57.02 acres and 25.24 acres, $15,831.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/business/cbj-property-transfers-building-permits/article_fd47dd9f-3726-5fc9-bd2b-715c6d21de0b.html?mode=jqm
If I understand correctly, this article states there were UVA grad students living in the smaller house until June 2010. (Am sure you’ve seen this as Blink is mentioned.)
02/01/2010
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A remote farm
There is exactly one vehicle entrance to Anchorage Farm: a driveway off 29 South, known there as Monacan Trail. While the farm’s original house, a two-story brick home with a white clapboard addition, is visible from the road, Bass lives in a sprawling Colonial-style mansion approximately one mile in, where the driveway ends, and Bass says it would be technically possible to drive to the end of his mile-long driveway and then continue another half-mile over rough terrain– pastures, hayfields, and thickets– on foot. But he doubts anyone could make the trek without drawing his attention. Any vehicle entering from 29 South also has to pass the smaller house– rented to UVA graduate students until June– but now home to Bass’ adult daughter.
Blogs are also crossing over into territory formerly reserved for traditional journalists, Geller says, noting she has regular contact with some bloggers including “Blink” of blinkoncrime.com, a national site that has been frequently reporting on the case.
“She’ll contact me and ask me to verify and get info straight,” says Geller. “That’s helpful because [rumors] tend to proliferate. I spend half my time debunking.”
http://www.readthehook.com/68819/trail-harringtons-body-creates-new-mysteries-angles
erose, that would have been June 2009, Jenny Bass was living in the farmhouse when Morgan disappeared.
In fact, they were replacing portions of the HVAC at the time- I reviewed a list of the residents at AF previously- nothing untoward- some now UVA adjuncts or post-grad fellows.
Bass had an outdoor sleepover the 24th of October where friends in attendance posted pics of the sprawling farm. By our estimations their trek brought them within 150 yards or so of Morgan’s remains.
Ms. Geller was always straight with me, was not thrilled when I outed sketch or shy about saying so, but she has a very tough job in that culture, imo.
B
Correction, that would be June 2009.
Sorry I missed this, but addressed it e.
B
I am hoping that JM operated alone. I wonder about the white male following Hannah on tape. Kinda strange behavior being the night Hannah was abducted. I hope it is not a group doing this. The fire at Sutherland, IF related, could be the scene of the crime, and Anchorage Farm the dumping site. What could they have been doing in the Sutherland farm? I hope this is not true and that Jesse operated alone.
“she was not thrilled when I outed Sketch…..”
“a forensic link has been found…”
hmmmmm. Are we potentially talking about familial dna link? This would check all of the boxes in this matter. And clear up a lot of questions about the sketch looking “older” and with a different mouth.
No.
B
blink, fyi, i had a post from yesterday disappear.
i wanted to remind folks about a few other details of the sutherland fire.
there was one north garden firefighter that posted on his fb page that he made a tip in the harrington case, shortly after that fire and the discovery of her remains, and that he was excited because the investigators got right back to him. it would seem likely he made a connection between the two now wouldn’t it?
and another north garden firefighter, who was also an electrician, was posting jokingly on his fb with some of his friends about whom to call for electrical work that might start fires. i had a screen shot of the posts at one point, but i don’t know if i still have access to it. it all seemed rather tongue in cheek, but was really thinly veiled imo.
Yes, held onto your post till today to insure that my reminders about same to the appropriate folks had been digested.
I have screen shots of all of it, as it has been deleted. The latter gentleman you are referring to also went on an overnight boondoggle with a relative to trade a vehicle and posted the journey after fighting the fire for several hours. Impromptu trip.
B