Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview

New York, NY-  For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case.  Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.

Horman courtesy of People

Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions,  and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.

In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning,  Horman  maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.

“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”

“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”

Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.

“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent.  I want her to tell me where Kyron is.  If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”-  Desiree Young

“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date.  To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page

Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney,  Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.

Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview.  Um, What?

Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.

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4,701 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    @erose. “painfully shy” is as good a cover as any with the media
    to hide a nontransparency underground bunker mentality.
    Who else relies on silence? (iirc Cheney and C Thomas)

    I kinda like the aka Stonewall Staton rather than Shy Staton.
    He seemed to talk a lot and wax glib about all and sundry in mcso
    inhouse meetings, not the mark ofa shy person.

  2. Rose says:

    Agnes something did the other mcso tort defense for the County of that era.

  3. Rose says:

    @cd. one hopes then she declared imputed income
    (value of housing/food etc) for her nannying childcare job.

  4. Rose says:

    http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/11/multnomah-county-agrees-to-settle-chief-deputys-tort-claim-against-sheriff/
    Obviously 6/1/17 is her retirement date and her goal was a high 3 years in the job fir PERS.
    I don’t blame her for not returning to work, but she will be blamed as just trying to make out for personal reasons.

    It is unfortunate the County lost a valuable honest budget and corrections expert and is left with no check on Staton and his stories like Troutdale.

    Nithing in Kafoury’s Whitman BA and devotion to politics has prepared
    her to be Chair and oversee budgets, management planning, and people like Staton.

    Now Yankee can talk to the criminal investigators.

    I nominate her for first appointive Sheriff.

  5. Rose says:

    TY TRuth. I had not grasped KM’s FB post was a criticism of DY’s responsive interview campaign directed at discrediting Terri.
    KM seems strangely “dense” Kaine’s silence is the tight leash of the mutual civil no contact orders, and his leash is carried by his custody attorney. Maybe he’s fed her the line sikence is at mcso’s direction. Of course, that too though. MCSO does nit want him to trigger a Terri attorney’s investigation of the investigation.
    You’re also right she suggests DY is not similarly complying with mcso directives. Really a Johnny come late to the
    tbis wonderful boy she never met, claiming every input Kyron had was his father’s, not his mother’s nor his mom’s.

  6. Rose says:

    I guess I’ll have to go back and read Riddell’s original tort claim notice.
    http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/11/multnomah-county-agrees-to-settle-chief-deputys-tort-claim-against-sheriff/
    This settles her claims against the County. Was she going to sue Staton individually?
    It is ridiculous for tge MCty spokesman to say Staton settled, this was negotiated by someone in the County attorney’s office. If Staton met with her personally, imo he taped it and tried to use the force of his persona (the one that made her cry) to get her to walk back or minimize some of her claims that would cause him the worst problems so he coukd document conflicting stories of hers during future litigation. .

    I’d have to look back at Traxler, but there are several State agencies where she could try State law violations relating to Fair Labor or disability unless she waived those State claims in this settlement. My guess is the State investigation in part moved Riddell to settle rather than litigate before his own client’s warts are public.

    imo If Underhill wanted a real investigation, he’d have dialed the OR District FBI.

    mediation Rose.
    B

  7. Rose says:

    I see I misread:
    “In this case, Staton’s privately retained attorneys, Paula Barran and Richard Hunt represented Staton. ”

    How can 2 private attorneys settle a suit against the County?
    They can’t. So what MCSO got was an agreement nor to sue the County OR Staton individually in exchange for
    15 months of AL/no labor.

    Now this agreement does strike me as a criminal violation: paying from County coffers $300,000 of taxpayer monies in return for an employee not filing a tort suit or State claim against him personally and the County. Using public money for personal benefit has to be illegal somehow.

  8. Rose says:

    Bet that agreement obligated mcso to pay Staton’s attorneys’ fees too, covering himself.
    He hired 2 Senior and original partners of a labor firm that represents
    management. Hardly a Union favorite imo.
    http://www.barran.com/display-news.asp?NewsID=101

  9. MockingbirdSings says:

    @Rose – wondering with the MCSO culture as it has been and is, and the, IMO, dysfunctional relationship with the Multnomah County DOJ, and the mess this investigation seems, to any reasonable person, to be – how did Charlene Woods weave her way through all of this? Her appearance definitely fits the “profile” of someone Staton would criticize or make fun of, although I think if he did, she’d go after him and he’d run under the nearest table. (Can I say that? All my opinion, of course.)

  10. Malty says:

    Shy Staton What a laugh I will be glad if he goes away Far away to play sheriff some where else

    @NelMel I think KM likes to try to impress people I hope she finds answers and all that in in some far away place
    Also

    @CD I don’t think Kaine will marry her Dogs which I am a fool for Are a lot of work and expense and cleaning up after I don’t know if he likes dogs Then I agree Kaine doesn’t seem to want extra costs

    @Rose are you sure we can trust Yankee

  11. T. Ruth says:

    Harley NMI Leiber

    1 hour ago

    So let’s see. Staton settles Yankee’s tort claim to preempt revealing information of his unprofessional conduct. He takes the settlement from his operating budget. I am glad Yankee prevailed and is happy with the settlement, but it costs Staton nothing. So, the tax payers of Multnomah County end up subsidizing Staton’s behavior. Disgusting. He is one nasty piece of work. Unworthy of wearing the uniform he barely fits into.
    *************

    Pretty much exactly what I wanted to say, so I just copied it. Unfreakin’ believable:

    “In this case, Staton’s privately retained attorneys, Paula Barran and Richard Hunt represented Staton. And, the settlement will take a bite out of Staton’s budget because the sheriff is now paying one of his three chief deputies not to work. Adding the cost of benefits to Yankee’s salary, the tab for the settlement is close to $300,000.”

    http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/11/multnomah-county-agrees-to-settle-chief-deputys-tort-claim-against-sheriff/

    Since when is it considered “Staton’s budget”? That is not HIS money, it is the taxpayers money. Money they work hard for and give to him to properly run a County service, The Sheriff’s Department. This is absurd. The county paying for his misconduct, when that money could be going to needed services. If I lived up there I’d be writin’ some letters to my elected officials for sure.

    Typically, such allegations are paid out through liability or E&O insurance as long as such are considered errors in regular scope of employ- Yankee would not likely be able to sue Staton privately by name. It is a pretty flawed set up there he just took advantage of.
    B

  12. Malty says:

    I am still upset that a Skyline staff member let Kyron leave with a man who looked like 20 other men
    And nothing has been said or done about it If true. It is outrages

  13. Rose says:

    Doesn’t name the the 3rd party mediator, then, how odd.

    Mediators are appointed by the Court after suit is actually filed aren’t they?

    I suggest the two were accompanied by their attorneys who hammered out the agreement in their presence.

    And I doubt the attorneys went into that meeting without having reached a preagreement.

    Riddell’s statement which thanked not Staton and Barran-Hunt but the Mult Cty Attys Office for professionalism and candor suggests to me the MC Atty told Riddell the County would follow their practice of litigating, not settling, but he had a great case, so after winning on some merits, the real fight with the MC Atty would be, like Traxler, on damages, which would include appeals. Atty would throw out a likely ballpark end result damages result after appeals that wouldn’t be seen for 4-5 years. In the meantime she had to pay her bills, and Staton coukd demote her to file clerk or put her on the midnite shift in the worst cell block when her sick leave ran out March 1.

    And if she could get the same value out of the Sheriff’s budget now that she would get in 4-5 years, with nothing to live on in the meantime, her interest in settling is clear.

    No doubt also MC Atty pointed out to Staton and his private attorneys that the County would not settle, outlined and sized up Riddell’s case, and said he could not turn off the spigots on testimony relating to Staton’s bad acts in office during trial.

    Doubtless Barran-Hunt hammered home he had to get rid of the civil suit before criminal charges were evaluated on the Union thing by the State because depositions in the civil matter could be used in a criminal matter.

    This is like the CEO of Intel obligating shareholders to pay out a settlement amount to avert a trial for his own violations of law (ie disability, harassment) while in the ceo seat. Corporate Board would have to fire him.

    My guess without having an opportunity to verify until later this eve is that it is a conditional event of a civil employee or MCSO employment requirement. How anyone owns that office with its history I will never understand.
    B

  14. Rose says:

    @Malty. my MO is trust no one, especially my own impressions and judgment.
    Well, I trust Blink.

    Linda Yankee had a sterling career and reputation before she promoted to a position where the Sheriff required her to testify untruthfully and against her professional judgment to County Commissioners on budget matters, and otherwise interfered with the basic functions and tools of her job (communications with staff she supervised). I have no doubt she could and woukd have handled the profanity, hugs, complaints about surgery sick leave, and foul temper as many female employees do; it was his interference with, and barring her from carrying out her basic job responsibilities that drove her to sue imo.

    Agreed- and I appreciate trust as it is very hard to come by this crowd- as it should be. I think Yankee was put in a position to “sell” a budget in her name she did not agree with and was concerned of blow-back. Not about hugs, imo.
    B

  15. Rose says:

    Yes, Woods fits the profile. I doubt she interacted with him, or mcso investigators,
    altho 2 members of her CAU team did. (O’Donnell, Moawad).
    The mcda attorneys interacting with Staton and his team in 2010-11
    were Frink (per press) and Moawad (per Kitz’ PR).

  16. Rose says:

    eI see Blink I’ve put 2 posts on Horman in error on another thread.
    Here’s the Agreement kgw just published.
    I like #8.
    https://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/direct/298982159?extension=pdf&ft=1455219048&lt=1455222658&source=embed&uahk=J/4/0q28Q+eR51k/ecA7/8CCRjQ

    appears to have been drafted by a County attorney supervised by the Chief Cty Atty Jenny Madkour, one of those Staton commented on. The meeting was not a mediation but a signing party to a doc all had reviewed in advance.
    Amusingly, she can go back to work at mcso after Staton’s term expires. or he resigns.

    And here is your post to backup Nelmel

    backing up nelmel
    http://www.petful.com/service-animal/fake-service-dogs/

    B

  17. erose says:

    If this happens more than once I’m gonna think they found a new way to bilk that OT money, lol.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/02/multnomah_county_settles.html

    #12 Calls this a day for him as far as Yankee is concerned. The profiling issue still stands.

    B

  18. Rose says:

    @TRuth, you can take a bagel class from that WW commenter Leiber:
    ” serious about his retirement after years working in criminal justice and at SAIF Corp.—the state-owned insurance company that pays out workers’ compensation claims—”
    http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-23091-the_hole_shebang.html

    He just put this story in comments on the Oregonian settlement article:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/fbi-georgia-correctional-drug-trafficking/index.html
    is he suggesting a possible focus of the State investigation?

  19. T. Ruth says:

    Did the county also pay for his private attorneys? The article doesn’t say.

  20. Rose says:

    kinda odd Yankee gets a just and fair settlement 10 days after filing a well-founded Notice of tort claim, but
    Desiree and Kaine failed to file the same notice of tort claim against PPS, PPB (responsible for school grounds’ security), and the County for their son abducted from a Skyline classroom. This shows a settlement could have been had without details of the abduction event becoming public. I guess easy money from Phil diminshed their incentive. Strange Kaine would do as an mcso employee says rather than find a counselor like Riddell.

  21. erose says:

    O/T
    But officials offered few new details about how an unpaid library volunteer in suburban Maryland allegedly managed to make videos of children performing sex acts on school grounds during school hours.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/child-porn-investigation-widens-at-prince-george%E2%80%99s-school/ar-BBpmzjJ?form=PRHPTP

  22. Malty says:

    O/T David Fry finally gave up to the FBI After over 2 hours talking So Burns has their town back
    I listened to that this morning Lyle was there and KGW crew it was live
    David Fry was the last hold out Wanting to die but gave up like a good boy in the end
    His videos on Utube are something else. To watch

    All those troubles at Staton place MCSO Reminds me how great being retired with 2 great dogs really is

    I trust you Blink It is not your fault this case is such a bummer :)

  23. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    February 11, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    I’m getting “link is not valid”. ?

  24. T. Ruth says:

    Okay, totally off-topic, but I find this fascinating. Makes me wonder though, if we can now hear two black-holes colliding via gravitational waves, why can’t we hear an earthquake coming? (Maybe soon?)

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2016/02/11/breakthrough-scientists-detect-einstein-predicted-ripples/kaIpEKCy3Xm4lia3heLWfK/story.html

  25. Rose says:

    Sorry TRuth. I checked the lonk & it worked for me then, but like you not now.
    It was embedded in this kgw article:
    http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/multnomah-county-sheriff-accused-of-workplace-misconduct/31433883

    Imo this is a well drafted agreement.
    Yankee’s well-founded complaint gave up a LOT,
    particularly punitive damages. What she got was really her status quo until
    retirement if serving a normal Sheriff manager. Nothing extra financially, just an Award.
    This is the most beneficial outcome for the County.

    Staton can compensate by demoting HR Ott to file clerk and leaving the Director
    position vacant til mid 2017, as
    apparently he has done without an
    able HR advisor for 6 years anyway.

  26. Rose says:

    @ T. Ruth says:
    February 11, 2016 at 2:32 pm
    Did the county also pay for his private attorneys? The article doesn’t say

    Not in the agreement.
    I bet Jenny Madhour indemnified him to get
    him to the table to sign off.

  27. Malty says:

    @Nel Mel What puzzles me is why this service dog seems to just keep costing more money or some thing
    I want this child to get a good working dog and who doesn’t But it is very hard to understand total price
    And people do take dogs all this info on line may not be a great idea about the price she is paying
    I hope this turns out for KM And child But like you I really wonder

  28. Amys Sister says:

    I guess that explains why apparently medical insurance or apparently social programs based on income don’t cover these costs. Just wth already?
    B
    _____

    It’s also why Kristen’s daughters bio dad won’t be required to pay for any of the expenses related to a service dog. I am not saying they are without merit… I have a fully blind aunt who has used service dogs throughout her life. That said, she never posted on Facebook or set up gofundme sites to get one and hers cost far less than what Kristen is trying to acquire.

  29. Rose says:

    looks like Sheriff Staton needs Houze on speed dial.
    Barran & Hunt don’t have a criminal law practice.
    Or maybe Stavely.
    Maybe he’ll ask for one of those truth-o-meter tests.

  30. Rose says:

    One hopes both bios will accept Staton as a metaphor to show the absurdity of their recent public statements. He is subject to a criminal investigation. Will he call or go to the State Investigator’s DOJ Office downtown and demand to be interviewed? No, he will wait to be invited. Doubtless they will put him last, not first. Will he go unaccompanied by his criminal defense lawyer? Not at all. In his case there is credible first hand evidence coming from numerous observors of his actions; in Terri’s case, at school,on her morning drive and daily activities on June 4, there is none. Would a State investigator listen to a Yankee, in a situation where she hypothetically had no observations or notes, say “I know he is guilty of something but I don’t know what.” or “I feel it in my gut.” such a “witness” would be laughed out of the room. I hope the bios draw a lesson from how absurd their statements Terri has to go talk to a “host” of MCSO and do so without a lawyer sound to the public.

  31. Ode says:

    A plead to Desiree…strike now and get the true information from someone that is the questions of investigations now. Kyron was loved..he was very loved by both his moms and countless others. MCSO did not know Kyron. It has been almost 6 years. You deserve to know what happen. Question EVERYONE, do not trust that everyone has motives in Kyron’s best interest. Some people may have never intended for Kyron to have the fate he did but since what may have happened after he went missing a whole new bunch of circumstances have happened and now some people may be hurting the outcome of the answers you need to know. Is now a good time to strike when the person who may have other answers is down. JMO

  32. Rose says:

    Yes. It’s time for the bios to make a formal written request of Staton to transfer this innvestigation to the State DOJ or to ask the FBI District Office to take it over. Desiree likely has as many case facts as mcso has; she just doesn’t portray them accurately to the public.

  33. Rose says:

    if Staton can cause his Chief Deputy to sell information to County Commissioners in oublic sessions and private meetings which misrepresents her LE and professional opinion, and in fact is contrary to it, what makes bios think he does not require the very same handling and information skewing and omissions from their Detective briefers?

  34. Rose says:

    The Cogen thing was also called “a criminal investigation.”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/jeff_cogens_spending_on_affair.html
    Underhill-Staton wrote the request letter.
    Cogen was vindicated.
    Politics.

  35. Ode says:

    Rose says:
    February 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Yes. It’s time for the bios to make a formal written request of Staton to transfer this innvestigation to the State DOJ or to ask the FBI District Office to take it over.
    ******
    Desiree, I am screaming…do it..now is the time do it…Kaine will not, you must..you owe it to KYRON.

    Seconded.
    B

  36. Rose says:

    See the video.
    2010 imo Establishes Desiree’s public speech was as an Agent spokesperson for mcso:
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/27/oregon.missing.boy/

  37. Rose says:

    Ode, sadly I don’t think her psychologically able to act
    in Kyron’s best interests–or her own–independently
    of her current and past advisors: Tony, Kelly, Stacey, Beth.
    One might pray she finds a new advisor she admires and will listen to.
    This shirt demonstration at Rod’s, this letter-writing thong, is likely her
    focus. Soldier is incapable of the letter publicized today. So,
    who wrote it. The Letter to Rod is where DY is going next,
    because her surrogates are, AFTER the mcso scandel was publicized.

  38. erose says:

    I sincerely hope you all can get thru with your pleas.

  39. cd says:

    Malty says:
    February 11, 2016 at 8:26 pm
    @Nel Mel What puzzles me is why this service dog seems to just keep costing more money or some thing
    ——–
    I looked on her gofundme for the service dog and it sounds like she’s milking it for every dime she can get.

    IMO
    Now she need more money because she is going to miss a week of work? She’s living rent free with her boyfriend who probably supplies all food and utilities how much more could she need.

    Oh and she also needs a little more cash because she wants to visit Cape Canaveral( I guess that will take 2 days)l in Florida while she is there in (just by coincidence during SPRING BREAK).

    Next thing KM is going to need more money because she will of course need a bigger vehicle to drive around in so the dog fits.

    I am not saying that is what is going on but I think it’s disgusting to try to get money off of strangers using your sick daughter as the excuse. I wonder that she can’t see that others can see through her.

  40. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Maybe, just maybe, the bio mother and the real mother, Terri could get together and push the FBI to intercede in the case.

    We are seeing smoke coming from the MCSO regarding poor behavior. As my friend Dyane who taught constitutional law at Pepperdine University would say “Where there is smoke there is a fire”. “Attacking the fire is what is needed”.

    There is always hope. The State of Texas recently indited a Catholic priest for a murder that is fifty-five years old. A cold case team put the case together. The majority of the evidence pointed to the priest at the time, but because he was a priest, the investigators
    could not believe that a priest could do such a crime so they did nothing.

    Your friend Miss Dyane is so right. It never needs to be more complicated than that. I am aware of the case you are referring to- and interestingly it was the cold case detective who rejuvinated what was simple and always known- the last individual the victim was verified to be with. For Kyron’s case- we KNOW this is SZ through multiple sources- AND KAINE himself admitted this last June. Identifying SZ should be the priority. I don’t know how one does that when they have been unwilling to share that very fact with the public.

    B

  41. cd says:

    February 12, 2016 at 9:21 pm
    Malty says:
    February 11, 2016 at 8:26 pm
    @Nel Mel What puzzles me is why this service dog seems to just keep costing more money or some thing
    ——–

    -snip
    Oh and she also needs a little more cash because she wants to visit Cape Canaveral( I guess that will take 2 days)l in Florida while she is there in (just by coincidence during SPRING BREAK).

    —————-
    IMO
    The whole spring break thing makes me wonder if KM is in need extra money because 1 or both of her other daughters are going on this little jaunt to Florida with her or maybe even Kaine (of course Kaine would be fund raising). This could be a family vacation partially paid for by Gofundme donations.

    https://www.youcaring.com/shelby-hill-397352

  42. T. Ruth says:

    Rose, you’re making things come more into focus for me now. There was supposed to be a presser on July 27, including Lee Gosson who was still lead investigator. Now you are linking an article just 2 days after, when said presser never happened and Gosson went poof, saying that DY was pleading on “the 27th” Tuesday. ( The mother of a missing 7-year-old Oregon boy pleaded for her son’s safe return Tuesday, imploring him to “never give up hope.” http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/27/oregon.missing.boy/) Also article notes that DDS appeared @ GJ on Monday, which would have been July 26, and that Dede lawyered up on Friday, the 23rd. ) The exact time of the presser was to be announced (according to MCSO link I posted up thread) on the 23rd.

    So…what happened here? Dede got an attorney on the same day the future presser was supposed to be announced. Suddenly…..no presser, just statements by Moore and DY and Gosson off the case.

    I wish someone with more brains and time than I have would put a timeline together, not just of TMH’s whereabouts or Kyron’s whereabouts (thought I’d like to see the latter, a whole lot), but the LE tactical/legal events all lined up.

    Something here, during this short little timeline July 23-27, changed everything. I just wish I were smart enough to figure out what.

    A NO TRUE BILL.
    That press conf was supposed to announce TH indictment. Keeping in mind here that in OR it only takes 5 out of 12 gj’s to indict.
    B

  43. Malty says:

    @ODE Your plea is touching and it is time to find why Kyron’s case seems to be cold case even if Staton insists it is
    Open and active
    I hope it is and I think Blink found it is if I read her right
    I am really wondering if there was a settlement with PPS not to be ever revealed
    If a staff member let Kyron go out with an unknown person that runs closer to a tragic mistake than a crime
    What happened out side the school and where is Kyron is the question And do they know who this unknown is

    I hope both bio parents hear your plea and can somehow decide it is time regardless

    PPS does not have a legal right to enter into any private agreements on their own- they are public school.

    I certainly do not believe Ms. Matthews acted with malice- same with Porter, but it was negligent, imo. It is a standard of care issue.

    I do believe as a result of Staton’s investigation and ultimately shedding a light on budgetary issues must include a review of Kyron’s case. (done properly) It is clear the boards intent is to change the Sheriff’s position to appointed v elected and I would suggest this information gathering will go a long way to that process.

    That, and it is my belief that TH plans to initiate a civil action- which will be heard in Federal court- where that BS about “ongoing investigation” will not trump a person’s right to relief or remedy.
    B

  44. Malty says:

    @CD I went and read KM go fund It does sound like she is asking for donations for the whole Trip plus a week off pay. I guess she can ask but where’re anyone will send money after all the help she has had so far I doubt
    It will be much
    I still think she would be better off back in CA close to family to help take care of the child dog or no dog
    Having relatives near when you have a child who can sit a few hours really is better IMO
    She isn’t afraid to ask for help on her FB she makes it all sound more like a team project to get the dog the trip and so on food what ever for a week
    Since I do even know her maybe she would do the same for others and thinks it is not asking a lot she would do if the situation was reverse
    I do know most of us have family who could use help. And money is short everywhere

  45. Malty says:

    @CD what I wonder is wont this dog need continued update training each year Dogs even two cute little companion Friends like mine are a expensive If you take proper care of them.
    I just wonder what the ongoing expenses are going be on this dog

  46. Malty says:

    @CD I was looking at insurance on this dog should something happen to hom and some places do have insurance on the training and kind of care the dog does But you have to buy it yourself. More expense

  47. Malty says:

    @CD Last comment Promise LOL I think if I need a special care dog. I am going get ahold of NelMel
    First before Florida :)

  48. Malty says:

    I really think time will fly as it did when our children were young and Kiara will be a teen with all the teen up and downs Kaine needs to spend quality time with her and think of her future This dog and KM and child should not
    Expect his time and money unless he can work in in and put his child first
    I have high hopes for Terri being there for Kiara I believe it to be the best but we don’t know if she will have
    A lot of time with Kiara or just weekends like DY and Kyron

  49. Rose says:

    @cd. You are correct. The cost of the dog and training was $15,000. The extra $5,000 is to travel to Fla at spring break time. There are goodhearted people intending to benefit the child, but I assumed the single large anonymous donor who did the trick was father or Kaine. KM has no experience of planning family excursions, or she would have realized the timing and geographic location were badly in sync, chosen a west coast supplier, and timed training graduation differently. And with most kids, one woukdn’t give them a 55 lb new baby during the final two months of school to distract. What KM needs is a mother. $5,000 worth of spring break travel for a family of four would not be an issue with a husband with a fine salary, but she didn’t manage that. When you are in a school where many children and families fly around on break regularly, one gets to desire it too. It is hard to see others hop to mexico or aspen or jackson hole or italy routinely while one’s own child is stuck. If she’s still with Kaine, I don’t understand why he doesn’t make it a family trip, enrich kiara, take in Orlando, and just pay. But more cheaply in June. And counsel her to get a government job with leave and benefits. my opinions.

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