Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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“Yes those are stairs, says front door south entrance, those are stairs that go up right by the office and he was seen, umm by the school secretary and another child after I left at that same location.”
^^Per TMH on Dr. Phil, transcribed by moi.
http://www.drphil.com/videos/terri-horman-describes-the-last-time-she-saw-stepson-kyron-horman-before-he-disappeared/
This sounds to me like the office is indeed on the second (or main) floor.
Where is the principal’s office btw?
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You know, why was it ever suggested that TMH physically took Kyron out of that school, if in fact, he was seen by at least two other people in the hall as she was heading down the front stairs to leave? Who started that rumor, SZ?
If I understand you correctly, it was Desiree. I recall she was actually citing the turnaround for the bookbag and she knew it. This would be why she did not give any specific response to Terris comments on Phil- she knew she was telling the truth and in fact, could prove it.
B
B
see p 41 excerpt from records.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/326707-206009-records-pps-board-member-principal-were-in-feud-over-lincoln-walk-out
Apparently a BOE member has the illusory notion she is part of PPS Operations and can and should manage a principal “in crisis” inperson behind a closed door, by phone, and by email. We know this due to records requests by PTrib and Sordyl and others. Imo it’s unlikely the BOE members’ MO differed in 2010. Some print journalist coukd pursue any rrcorded messages between any BOE member and any Skyline employee, as well as internal PPS emails of Carol, internal Counsel, & PR positions.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-10/#comments
Blink, the above is your multiple-witness synopsis. I see you did not end it with a quotation, so just the first sentence is a direct quote, ending at the word truck? If SZ was standing behind the first witness, then how could the second sentence apply to the same witness. Is that three separate witness accounts saying three separate things?
First witness, “…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck.”
so witness #1 did not see SZ.
Second witness, “I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response.”
so witness #2 saw SZ and thought he was so and so, until Kyron’s reaction and EM’s nod told him/her otherwise.
Third witness, “They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.”
This witness couldn’t have been in EM’s room if this witness saw “them” Kyron and SZ leave at the south entrance, which is upstairs from EM’s room. (There is no south entrance out of EM’s room.) Or, is this witness referring to seeing TMH & the baby leave out the south entrance and never saw “them” come back?
Sorry, if I’m picking this apart when I shouldn’t be, but in reviewing this, I now see you have combined multiple witness accounts in this one sentence. Maybe that’s why it’s never made sense to me.
Didn’t I say that expressly, lol?
You can see the ingress/egress from locations within Mathews room. I know you understand this, but there are multiple witnesses, some of which are now on record outside of my usage as “source”. I posted a mosaic pic with the condition I would never reveal names/faces for a very specific reason- these are potential witnesses in a criminal matter. By deduction, with knowledge and very specific details- I could absolutely tell who saw what from where and I have no intention of making that available to the detriment of an open investigation among other reasons. In re-reading it, it is worded exactly as I intended ( don’t think I don’t appreciate being checked on it because I do- I am very capable of error, especially lately). Are we all clear on what I am capable of clearing up or did I miss something.
xo
B
T. Ruth says:
October 11, 2016 at 12:56 pm.
lYou know, why was it ever suggested that TMH physically took Kyron out of that school, if in fact, he was seen by at least two other people in the hall as she was heading down the front stairs to leave? Who started that rumor, SZ?
If I understand you correctly, it was Desiree. I recall she was actually citing the turnaround for the bookbag and she knew it. This would be why she did not give any specific response to Terris comments on Phil- she knew she was telling the truth and in fact, could prove it.
B”
Actually, it was not “as” but “after.”
Desiree has always been the purveyor of the storyline Kyron walked out that door with Teri.
Why? Vindictive and jealous imo and kicking Terri when she’s down just because she can, my opinion.
One of the things I thought was noteworthy from Dr. Phil was how Terri still behaved compassionately to her, especially when she learned DY said what she did about burying Kyron in the backyard.
B
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Your link to the historic building assessment shows the first scale drawing of the building I have seen. It is only of the upper floor. I used my architects scale and measured the length to be 285 ft from West to East. The problem with that is how accurately the drawing is reproduced on my computer screen. The photos show the school taken from various outside positions.
The West staircase goes down to the lower level to doors that are to the outside. The drawing correctly shows a window at the landing level of that stairway.
There is a double wall between the mechanical room and the classroom adjacent. One common practice when a noisy activity is located next to something like a classroom is to build a wall that does not directly connect to the other. This prevents sound being transmitted via vibration to the adjacent wall. The drawing also shows a duct riser in the mechanical room and in the isolated storage area at the end of the hallway. What else is in those locations is not known or shown on the drawing.
I did notice that several of the outside doors are shown on the drawing with doors swinging to the inside. This would not meet safety codes in most places where all outside doors must swing to the outside. In addition, the drawing did not show the long ramp found or stair area found in several of the photos and is shown by Google Earth view of the North parking area. This is probably and add-on to provide a protected wheelchair ramp to meet OSHA standards. It could have been added after the drawing was made. This ramp is enclosed with a wrought iron fence that probably has a lockable gate at the top.
Based on the information I have of the site, there are multiple places of ingress and egress to the building.
Original Construction
Main Entrance-front of building
East Entrance-adjacent to parking lot
West Entrance-lower level to yard and soccer field
North-Ramp to boiler room & door from boiler room to lower hall
Classroom Addition on West end
Double doors- to North parking lot
Gymnasium Addition on East End
door to gym from North Parking lot
door to gym from East Parking lot
Wheelchair ramp from North parking lot to door at the center of the old building construction to the main hallway.
@TRuth. I suggest composite witnesses are not depicted successively. I suggest they are folks whose stories concur and whose elements overlap, so a bit of the common story is attributed to this or that “witness.”
@Multiple, yes Blink you did, but I’m just dense. It makes a whole lot more sense breaking it apart, I was erroneously thinking that statement was from one witness. Btw, I don’t want nor would I ask for names or identity of any witnesses, I’m just trying to figure out if there’s someone who actually saw Kyron and SZ leave the building, as opposed to just leave EM’s classroom. SZ must have been seen by many witnesses, if he and Kyron exited 109 , walked up the stairs to main level second floor, walked down the hall and they ended up exiting the building right out through the front doors together heading to the parking lot. Or at least one would think so. I still do not understand why no sketch of this person was ever released unless they know who he is and he is alibied up.
This case!
Seems I made more confusion rather than less.
On the layout the main floor is called the FIRST Floor yet the room numbers start with 2, ie. 2xx. The lower floor is called the BASEMENT with 1xx room numbers. That is what we see on the layout we have been using, however, I have no idea how Skyline staff/parents/students refer to these two levels.
As I see it, west and south facing classrooms on the First Floor (2xx rooms) are 8-10 feet above grade, so, except for the Main (South) entrance facing Skyline Blvd., there would be no direct exits from the First Floor to the West or South.
I think it has been settled, but unless otherwise determined, Mathews was in 109 in the Basement during the 2009-2010 school year. Names in red next to the classrooms were in those rooms during the 2009-2010, as far as I could determine. I added and noted changes of occupants for 2010-2011, sorry for the confusion.
In hopes it will help, I added more details to my already very busy image.
All the exits are now indicated on the layout and listed below it. They are in blue and shown as e1, e2, e3 … e10. In the list below it is noted whether they are a basement exit (B) or a first floor exit (1). The Main south entrance serves both the Basement and the First Floor. The actual exit appears to be above Basement level and below First Floor level.
As for the inside stairs I added green s1, s2, and s3 by each stairs description and listed them below the image.
Finally, I added a diagonal-ish line to the right of “COVERED PLAY SHED” with an “N” on one end to show the orientation of the school.
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m524/quizzi1/Skyline%20School/Build30_zps4zzcwlj8.jpg
So, using this, witnesses say K and SZ exited the Basement via “e8”.
Blink, if I understood correctly, you indicated K and SZ were not seen outside the school. Or was that just not leaving the school grounds? How were they seen leaving via the exit next to Room 109? Were they seen outside the exit alcove through Room 109 west facing windows?
I have never interviewed a witness who saw them outside the school past using the South exit door but it does not mean there aren’t any I am not aware of.
I sincerely appreciate you doing the heavy lifting on the image/s you created. Brilliant work and I thank you.
B
Terri says on Dr. P that she and Kyron came up from 104 McBeth’s room and she and Kyron took different stairways to go back upstairs, I’m assuming when first bell rang. Terri said she used the gym stairs, which since she was downstairs appears to be the cafeteria area, so where was Kyron and why did he use a different set of stairs? Had he gone outside? Was he still in McBeth’s room? Did he go to the restroom or something? So which stairs did Kyron use, the one’s labeled here by Quizzie as “office stairs” or had he gone outside and come back in up some other stairs?
http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/quizzi1/media/Skyline%20School/Skyline%20Layout%20Staff%2023_zps31mwnmkf.jpg.html
TMH says:
October 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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Even though the layout indicates otherwise, TMH appears to make it clear you could walk from one end of the basement to the other without going through the Library.
Thank you.
It would sure be good to have a more current layout.
O/T
I found a new DNA collection tool today that appears to have been successfully used to identify sufficient DNA in an 18 year old cold case in Utah to solve it and convict the perp. It is called M-VAC. It is a hand held unit that uses vacuum technology along with a sterile buffering agent in a spray to collect the DNA. If one wants to know more about the process, there are multiple articles found on a Google search. It appears to be much more efficient than swabbing and tape collection methods.
Excellent contribution thank you ATG
http://www.m-vac.com/why-mvac
B
Thanks Quizzical & TMH
This information proves that we do not have an up-to-date actual layout of the entire building. We are getting bits and pieces which makes it hard for some to visualize the actual movements described for Kyron and his real mom and I don’t mean the bio mom.
Brilliant work ATG @ A Texas Grandfather says:
October 11, 2016 at 3:32 pm AND
Quizzi @ Quizzical says:
October 11, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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ATG that M-VAC could have been successfully used I bet in the Mathews’ Room l09 if it existed in 2010 (if MCSO would buy it rather than new cars) to vacuum up wherever SZ walked, the doorknob he touched, etc. IF MCSO/PPB had declared Rm l09 a crime scene and taped it off until evidence collection occurred.
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After all those lists, I still have a problem understanding Blink your response on the door SZ and Kyron egressed through. Quizzi said above in the link noted:
“So, using this, witnesses say K and SZ exited the Basement via “e8”.
(adjacent to 109). ”
I have always understood that to be Blink’s position on this site. But now, Blink, you have twice posted they used the South exit door & by Susan Hall.
you said today: “past using the South exit door …” from Quizzical says: October 11, 2016 at 4:58 pm http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Quizzi and ATG both seem to share my understanding the main entrance where the office is is the South exit door. The exit by Room 109 is the West exit.
So, the conflict is Quizzi suggests Kyron’s exit was on the west side adjacent to 109 in the basement level, and you have stated today and yesterday the exit was the South entrance by the office, which is “between” the two levels. Can you clarify?
I can’t pull that up before tom, but wanted to mod your post- if I do not remember please don’t hesitate to circle me back to you
B
by gum what an image Quizzi. Worthy of a Pulitzer……
what I don’t see is the room assigned to Lou Terrones, Resource, and
his 4 paraeducators. It supposedly had its own bathroom. Apparently when that autistic spectrum Hank child which the article I posted mentioned was in Skyline, and it was probably recently, there was no pullout classroom, buteven if when Terrones was there there was no fulltime pullout room, Terrones and crew would’ve taken individual kids to the SPED room to work on particular skills as required by IEP. Also typically, although they rotate to several schools I suppose, the speech/language pathologist, psychologist, and OT (and there was also an adaptive PE teacher then married iirc to the OT that school year) should have had a room or space they shared, ie for testing; they are generally not housed with Resource/paras.
this is absolutely illegal
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/326690-206082-city-council-says-no-to-public-attendance
Marshman – Hales got around press suing by letting media attend.
Why isn’t ACLU suing the City Council (or say the Fed DOJ threatening? oops Marshman was their liaison pal).
There is nothing more important to be open in Portland, with PPB supposedly under a Federal Judge to supervise an agreement between PPB and the DOJ, than Council deliberations on a Police Contract negotiated with the Union.
If someone is unruly just hire the now jobless political aide Lewindowski as Council Sgt at Arms to escort them out.
law enforcement leadership in Portland is really a joke.
maybe SZ is from out of town and knew where a slick
pedophile should shop.
Such a good question and observation. Can it be answered yet?
Tarheel says:
August 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm
snip>
It seems to me that there are numerous witnesses. Someone saw SZ coming in the front entrance; Ms. Matthews and possibly students saw SZ leaving through the basement door; A witness or witnesses reported seeing Kyron outside by a truck with 3 (?) adults; and then you have whoever the other 2 adults were at the white truck. That’s alot of witnesses not to be able to come up with more information.
How was it known which door SZ entered? Leaving, I understand, but entering I don’t get. Unless it was the same witness?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-9/#comments
I danced around that for a while (if I understand your question correctly) and because everyone here is walking around all bionic brained I finally had to say- sometimes I cant answer something as succinctly as I would like to, even if I know if it affects a witness or witnesses in an open case. I maintain a concern the specificity of some of this (as discussed) just might. It is my very firm stance there is a very dangerous criminal responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.
B
But, by maps we have, people would seem to pass thru the library, right?
Quizzical says:
October 11, 2016 at 5:02 pm
TMH says:
October 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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Even though the layout indicates otherwise, TMH appears to make it clear you could walk from one end of the basement to the other without going through the Library.
Thank you.
It would sure be good to have a more current layout.
TRuth, I was asking about what stairs before, and if you look at the map linked it shows “stairs 213 – 106″ which indicates to me that Kyron would have gone outside room 106 and come out inside room 213.
http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/quizzi1/media/Skyline%20School/Skyline%20Layout%20Staff%2023_zps31mwnmkf.jpg.html
correction: not inside room 213 but outside room 213.
As a matter of habit, I’ll bet Kyron took the s-3 West Wing Stairs (per Quzzi’s enhanced map) which put him right in front of his room.
Quizzical says:
October 11, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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Thank you. Those are by far the best visual aids that I’ve seen of Skyline, and this is certainly the first time that I understood the confusion between the first floor and basement terminologies. Your images also reinforced for me just how similar in many ways the school layout is to our own K-8.
But in 2009 (and long before), entrance at our school was office-controlled through a single door, and cameras were on most exits. I think there may have been a couple of ways out (but not in) of the school w/o cameras, including an exterior door from a classroom.
The security system has been upgraded since then, and will soon be upgraded again to a 40-camera system, along with other hardware (more secure doors, etc) to complement the protocols.
Considering Kyron vanished from the school, it does seem from what I’ve read that Skyline is now only up to the security standards and protocols our school had in place in 2009.
Thanks again Quizzical, that information helps. Geeze Louise, I recall many parents in the beginning of this case being quoted as saying there are only three or four exits. Ten, holy cow.
I believe Blink is saying SZ & Kyron were seen exiting at e2 on your map, which means they would have gone up the stairs from stairwell next to EM’s room and proceeded down the hall to the front doors. That’s what I’ve been trying to confirm.
If this is true, for some reason this doesn’t sound like an exit one would take trying to abduct a child. It does sound like a path one would take if trying to be seen with the child. IOW, “look, he and I walked right out to the parking lot, he helped me bring my things in and I never saw him again.” Was Kyron handed-off to someone right there in the south-east parking lot? Is this why LE was looking for another car parked there and hoped this person would come forward voluntarily? If this is what transpired, then this perp must have someone who backs up his story, and LE was looking for additional witnesses to said story. In fact, isn’t that what they said “looking for additional witnesses”? If they (LE) think there was more than one perp involved here, it also explains why they remained at the school the following weeks observing, ‘cuz we know they weren’t looking for Terri to show up there.
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@TMH thanks for the info regarding the library books. Why did Kyron go up a different set of stairs than you after exiting McBeth’s classroom?
The “fourth focus seeks the identify of a witness” who parked their vehicle on 4 June before 8:45 a.m. on 4 June in the Skyline School parking lot on the south side of the lot. If you parked your vehicle in that described area please contact law enforcement with your name, phone number, the year, make and model of your vehicle as well as the color and license plate number. This pertains to the vehicle parked in the school lot.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august112010/kyron-update.php
“This pertains to the vehicle parked in the school lot.” What vehicle? What witness? Did they get a statement from a witness but no name at the time and could not find them again? Makes little sense. Why *before* 8:45? TMH still there. WTH were they looking for? Corroboration of someone other person’s alibi? Additional white F250? IDK.
@TRuth re
“T. Ruth says:
October 12, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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I believe Blink is saying SZ & Kyron were seen exiting at e2 on your map, which means they would have gone up the stairs from stairwell next to EM’s room and proceeded down the hall to the front doors. That’s what I’ve been trying to confirm.”
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This is the first time B indicated that.
She said she’d check her records tomorrow.
re: ” It is my very firm stance there is a very dangerous criminal responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.. B”
It is the nature of the abduction execution in contact, control (& I believe he controlled sans taser or tape), and egress that suggests to me some special ops or military intelligence background.
It was the poster on Phil saying her husband, a Major in Army Intelligence, was posted in the region at the time and within those circles the “talk” was of mother’s alleged drug use, that led me to read Ft Lewis WA is a major posting for military intelligence, and both Neil’s work career and involved Reserve duty was in that field for decades, and Ft Lewis wives support was a significant volunteer enterprise of Kristi. Can one rule out this could be related to whoever in the family allegedly molested Kristian, or to whether Kristian had other victims, while Neil and Kristi were connected thru his work to Ft Lewis and military families in thevregion? When was Kristian’s picture in the newspaper? Iirc he had been convicted but not yet sentenced at the time of the abduction.
In my study- I find plenty of offenders that mimic actual military training of others than those that actually go through such special training themselves- but I certainly see that in play here either way.
B
lizzy says:
October 12, 2016 at 11:57 am
Quizzical says:
October 11, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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Thank you. Those are by far the best visual aids that I’ve seen of Skyline, and this is certainly the first time that I understood the confusion between the first floor and basement terminologies. Your images also reinforced for me just how similar in many ways the school layout is to our own K-8.
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Wow, the similarity is even more than I first realized. Our school also has TEN possible exit doors. I counted 9 based on memory, but then looked and realized I had missed a 10th, which is a fire safety door in a stairwell.
So the security consultant for our school has recommended 40 cameras to adequately cover that layout. It seemed excessive until I started really thinking about needed locations.
My point is how many areas that seem open at first glance really are on separate lines of sight when you start laying it out. So there are multiple possible explanations that might make the various witness statements reasonably consistent.
I would agree with that lizzy- definitely a POV issue.
B
@T Ruth,
I went up the back stairs because they are less traveled and easier to carry a toddler on one hip and a diaper bag on the other shoulder. Kyron and I were racing to see who would get to the top first. He won. As usual.
Blink you state ” a very dangerous criminal responsible for Kyron’s disappearance “, do you believe that this person has a previous criminal record? Or do you believe that this was his first crime?
I don’t have any information to make that determination but in a general sense, it is rare for a first time offender to abduct, and in such an organized way.
B
“In my study- I find plenty of offenders that mimic actual military training of others than those that actually go through such special training themselves- but I certainly see that in play here either way.
B”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/
If a “mimicker” in fantasy of a military operation to include a challenging human asset “extraction,” such an individual, whether embedded in a special ops subculture by fantasy or by training history, certainly fits in with the likely to be a steroid user theme.
@TMH. TY for clarifying. You sure were a workaholic for Kyron…and Kiara.
mcso might have gone thru the 6/3-4 pics seeking male
steroid using appearing physiques & double ck alibis.
@TMH. Here’s the thing. People such as Desiree or Kaine who have not been in el eds during the school day, or say youthful mcso officers ditto, would look at you going up the back stairs and Kyron the west side, his normal route between mcBeth and Porter areas, as being odd or malignant, failing to “see him to his classroom,” which is Desiree’s constant complaint (although you “saw” him to the door). They would say that gave him the opportunity to be abducted and that it was deliberate on your part. So, you just feed the monster.
In reality, any dummy who has actually been physically in a 2 story el ed at the first bell (the busiest time, far busier than final second bell) knows even without a baby and diaper bag, it is best not to use the same stairs as kids trying to rush to class. First, you get in their way, second you stand out like a sore thumb in the school which anyone’s 2nd grader does not want to be embarrassed by, and third you get bowled over. So, any adult would chose to go up the quiet back stairs and come out at the front door egress, avoiding the rushing kids, Kiara and diaper bag or not. This chosing of routes in an el ed at bell time is something absolutely outside of Desiree’s and Kaine’s experiences, and probably the ilk of Det Levi too. And, any good mother would chose to go a route so that her 2nd grade son could proudly beat her and more importantly his little sister.
So, in fact, what some complain of to the press or on FB sites, was just normal behavior and good mothering. Reminds me of my living in downtown Chicago in the late 60s, one would walk up one side of the street, & cross to the other on certain blocks, zigzagging. You knew where to walk automatically. bio parents and their volunteers, or mcso deputies, who have never “lived” in the physical setting do not have that physical understanding of rational route parking and walking choices. And, in fact, your route and separation from Kyron had zero to do with his abduction from Mathews’ room after your departure.
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I have another Q. What door did the bus riders enter in the am, south, east, north?
if SZ previously service overseas in spec ops, he coukd’ve done
this any number of times in war theaters and escaped notice or accountability.
To clarify the position of the skyline school building to the compass we can take the link to the historical building assessment. In the lower corner of the scale drawing of the primary level is an indicator of true North. It is small and if one is not looking for such a symbol it is easy to overlook. I always place a compass rose and true North arrow of plan views on a drawing.
The front of Skyline is facing South, South West which makes the rear of the building facing North, North East. North is zero degrees on a compass and when corrected for magnetic North or true North is usually just a few degrees to the West and that amount of difference varies with the position of the area relative to the North pole.
Divide the compass into 90 degree segments with North at the top and we have 0 degrees as North, 90 degrees as East, 180 degrees as South and 270 degrees as West. Each of these segments can be further divided into three 30 degree segments. Beginning at zero degrees and moving into the first 30 degree segment, we have North, North East. The second 30 degree segment is North East. The segment between 60 and 90 degrees is East North East. The segment between 90 degrees and 120 degrees is East South East. From 120 degrees to 150 degrees is South East and from 150 degrees to 180 degrees is South South East.
Continuing around the circle from 180 to 210 degrees is South South West. Southwest is 210 degrees to 240 degrees with 240 to 270 degrees being West South West.
Airport runways are all labeled with the whole degree of its compass direction. 130 or 13 would indicate the runway is South South East.
Rose
While the M-vac system is able to gather many times the amount of DNA from a surface, the problem in Mathews’ room is the multiple instances of DNA. The Utah case had a single rock that was use to bludgeon the victim with the victims blood on one side and the perp’s DNA on the other. The amount of DNA necessary for a lab workup was unable to be obtained with a swab.
The rock sat in evidence for perhaps sixteen or seventeen years until the M-vac system was used to pull the DNA from the rock surface with enough to send to a lab. How long it took the lab to sequence the DNA sample is not known. It takes a lot more work and time than we see on the CSI shows on TV.
People are working all over the world to discover methods to speed up the process (the Phd student at Virginia University) and find methods for cleaning up dirty DNA (the Swedish scientists) to make it usable.
Finding the DNA of a single individual that might be the perp would be a lengthy task when one considers the number of students, teachers and parents that would have made contact with surfaces during the two day science fair. Without the classroom and nearby areas being cordoned off as a crime scene (not done) the clean-up people, if thorough, could have destroyed any possibility of finding useful DNA.
T Ruth
The call for witnesses to help by identifying their vehicle and any other vehicles parked in the South end of the school parking lot may have had some useful results. However, the only voice we have regarding that possibility is TMH.
Another possibility is that the perp did not park in the lot. He could have parked adjacent to the roadway in front of the school. This would make it easy to control kyron and pull onto the road heading East for some unknown distance and then taking a pre-selected route to his destination. It would also explain the exit via the main entrance. The best exit for concealment would have been the West exit on the lower level and walking to Skyline drive. I doubt if there was much activity in that direction.
Boldness, concealment and speed is the hallmark of good military operations. If this perp was trained, he could have been gone from the school is less than a minute.
Lizzy raised a very important point.
The things that people see are limited by their physical height. A six foot tall person is able to see much more than a person five feet tall.
Mrs ATG and I got into a conversation when we were in our thirties concerning things that I could see and she could not. Placing her in front of me, I lifted her up to my eye level and walked her all over the house. She was amazed at things she saw at my eye level that she normally could not see.
Here is the first dogooder child “re” kidnapping spec ops group I found & previously mentioned. https://intlharbor.org
Here is tonite’s
https://www.phantomrescue.org/about-phantom/
child extraction
their self-description is very grandiose &
extra-legal. So who decides the merits?
Look how many spec ops are claimed participants.
It’s full of hyperbole: https://www.phantomrescue.org/special-operations-soldiers/
Donations = a featured button.
there is no State Dept/CIA as site claims. State has its own entirely separate independent Intelligence Bureau (INR) which is NOT operational.
imo these 2 private online providers may be the tip of an iceberg of off the reservation types operating for profit under a dogooder umbrella.
how many more former SOps are out there
playing god?
here’s another–straight from God, he says
http://blog.godreports.com/2012/08/former-cia-special-ops-man-uses-skills-to-recover-lost-kids/
another, quite an industry:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/dramatic-video-dad-pays-ex-special-3591988.amp?client=safari
last saw his son at 6 mos of age–how did his son recognize him then or have a favorite toy? Imo this group is primarily a mercenary international custody resolver.
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I have a left field question.
Is it resolved Kaine was Kyron’s genetic father? Did he ever
have a dna test? What’s sauce for the gander (infidelity)
coukd’ve worked for the goose. K was Desiree’s spitting image imo.
To my knowledge Kaine is Kyron’s bio Dad and there has never been any question on that. Familiar with the term- You are only ever 100% sure of your Mother, lol, but I don’t have any reason to suspect differently.
B
So the answer indirectly is mcso did not substantiate by genetic testing.
in this particular abduction, imo that’s relevant data to gather.
ot
fwiw
http://www.ode.state.or.us/data/reportcard/reports.aspx
@Rose,
Bus children came in the double doors east side, approximately 50 feet where I was standing at the top of the stairs where I am marked on the Dr. P show. If I’m looking down the hall towards Kyron’s room as I stand there, the office is to my left (south), the gym to my right (north), bus entry to my back (east). Also, someone asked about the Principal’s office. It shares with Susan Hall.
TMH says:
October 12, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Thank you for that. I was just curious if Kyron may have run into SZ while in the other stairwell, and maybe he mentioned the “cool electric one” to him there, and/or began following him at that point.
@Rose,
Thank you for the compliment. I am just doing what any mother would do. I had the luxury of being a sahm and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. Not a lot of parents are able to have that opportunity, so I consider myself lucky to have had that time with my kids. James was a little annoyed by high school with me in contact weekly with his teachers, but that’s how it was for me too.
@Rose says:
October 12, 2016 at 6:36 pm
IKR? The mention of the little race with Kyron made me smile. He was obviously in a happy mood that morning.
I’m trying to keep up with the ingress/egress and witnesses who may have seen SZ. Thanks everyone for the legwork! Until these recent exchanges I too hadn’t realized there were three witnesses who saw SZ. WHAT? My Gosh.
I believe there are more than that.
B
@Rose says:
October 11, 2016 at 11:27 pm
IIRC, LT & RS and others were assigned to room 105, at least in 2008-09. Also, both Terrones & Salvia were not on the list of attendees that day, but the other three female para’s were, I think.
We pretty much all agree that SZ *knew* this school. If his intent was to physically, by himself kidnap Kyron, why wouldn’t he have exited out of the school at e8, or e4 or e5 where there would have been much less visibility. So to me, if Blink is correct and he was seen exiting with Kyron out the front doors, I don’t think he was alone. I think he had someone waiting for Kyron in the parking lot. JMO
Supposed to be a major storm hitting our coast here today. System after system coming in for the next 4 days. They are comparing this storm to one in 1962, with horrendous winds and tons of rain, which caused, back then, MAJOR flooding, mudslides, power outages, etc. Everyone in OR stay safe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day_Storm_of_1962
@TMH I hope your parents are okay if the power goes out.
Where is Malty?
Lizzy
Forty cameras is a lot to monitor. I hope your new security system includes motion detection that would bring up a two or perhaps a three camera view of the area where a door or stairway connected to the outside.