Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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the utility of we armchaired ones.
Armchair Investigators at Front of
British Inquiry Into Spy Poisoning
https://nyti.ms/2C5OVs0?smid=nytcore-ios-share
With regard to motor skills being less than normal. Kyron was knowm to be small for his age and did not have good eyesight. I thnk Kyron was placed in gym class and a running class to help with those problems. This puts Kyron in the control of non-parents outside the school.
Some of recently discussed information was the possibility of students being picked up at skyline school. This would account for the teacher not taking notice or being cautious about this person.
There is a cover up of the abduction that affects the school,school district, the sheriff,PPS and the county DA office.
Rose has stated the FBI office in Portland did not have staffing with experience with abductions even though they did come to a different conclusion about the perp than MSCO OR MDA.
Rose, That was a great find on OAKKA. From 2012, at first glance 1st place looks similar to Kyron…maybe it’s the glasses and the over exaggerated smile, or my eyes are getting bad. I know it’s not him, just observing they are the same type. That 1/2 yellow belt made me think “rip off” as someone who paid for each and every full belt for my son thinking that was expensive. Now apparently they are getting the parents for double, scam much IMO. WRT Elvis security. Do bodyguards look the other way on drug abuse, or just participate?
http://americanfamilykenpokarate.com/en/kids-124823/open-news:51571
Since Bill Cosby is a violent sexual predator (under appeal) then Kyron’s kidnapper could be anyone. Cosby fooled us all. The only people who should not be suspected are people who were not in the vicinity. Everyone at that science fair should have had to be eliminated by their proximity to Kyron in the building, period.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/a-death-at-torrey-pines/403186/
This is an interesting (though long) article. Speaks to the possible lab contamination of DNA. Always thought that being a forensic lab analyst would be an interesting field, but never thought about the possible risk that job could include.
goes back to summer 2010
“Ott, the human relations director, said Staton issued threats to fire people on a “weekly” basis “for the last six years,” according to the records.” https://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/318909-198081-sheriff-dan-statons-erratic-behavior-paralyzed-offices-operations-documents-say
Did your interviews with Teri suggest any unpursued leads at all?
It is shocking the “Relentless, Aggressive” detective Desiree so admired did not avail himself of the opportunity to interview her in detail with her attorney present, if only to get detailed background on the child, his social & family system, & the school personnel & routines from a parental pov. Of all 4 parents, she had the most to recount being closest to his daily life. I can’t imagine an investigator of any profession passing her up.
Yes.
Nor I Rose, nor I.
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looked to see who’s still around, & revisit which “investigators”
have kept & built on their post-2010 promotions. One prominent employee
appears to have taken his 2nd govt retirement.
https://www.mcso.us/site/pdf/org_chart.pdf
@erose, just from general reading (didn’t save urls), the man who sold his failing martial arts biz to the quick draw rev & left Portland for Thailand in Dec ‘11, then on to San Diego, appeared to stay close to the rev (both say the other have “lovely wives”) bcz he seems to have retired to Carson City NV area which was where the rev pastored way before & revisited from time to time & got l or more volunteers to help rebuild Skyline Church from. There the man has founded a new (small sized) association of US businesses doing his strain of martial arts. One assumes they pay dues to be listed with his assn. My other impression is men who are drawn to the kenpo “social system” are those who get off on (figuratively) being called a variety of deferential honorifics by other men & children they work with. One good excuse to visit Thailand is there is a Thai martial arts strain (muoy something iirc) these “teachers” can advertise on their websites.
@ATG. It is interesting Reese took the 2010 fbi field office director who had not been a bus mgr & hired him as mcso’s bus services director. They had worked together on trapping & trying their Xmas “terrorist teen,” Mohammed. From there he qualified & got OR LE credentials & became a megabucks (to me) Chief Deputy (1 of 3). His 2nd retirement occurred between last Jan & June. His replacement is again nonLE, from Parking Div Mgr at Portland Dept of Transportation. —-
While Balizan’s background was more in drugs, from Albuquerque, to So America, to Sacramento, and he sure bungled the Sting collaboration (Mohammed was a sting), I gained more respect for him due to recent brief reading. It seems Walk-On-Water Mueller put him in charge in Portland, and likely moved him before that from CA (Mueller’s old stomping grounds) to the IG Office stint prior to that. So he must have at least had integrity. At the time he was in Portland fbi tho, prior to retirement, the national FBI focus seemed to be on schussing out “terrorist” generally Islamic focused & trying cases to publicity. And the specific Portland focus was getting the city to rejoin the Joint Terrorism Task Force. So a child kidnapped from a school would earn his focus imo primarily for the local “we are valuable collaborative partners” seductive appeal, not due to Field Office expertise in abductions. Tho he did do a central OR mortgage fraud case.
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His namesake son is way smart at business, nut he hor a MA in Econ at the right school—not for Wall Street, but for the W Coast.
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OT Today I read since the get go, Mattis has tried to reorient “Defense” from primarily “terrorism” to “defense” against the 2 powers he deems adversarial of Russia & China. I wish the fbi had a strong Director capable of trying the same. (The article said Mattis is trying, not that he’s gotten anywhere yet). The fbi’s historic strengths & case types seem to have played 2nd fiddle for a couple decades to developing “terrorism” cases.
ot some historic fbi strengths I think of are the Mob (domestic & foreign), financial fraud, armed robberies (which I guess can be generalized to serial felonies committed with firearms, not to mention the illegal arms trade) & abductions. human trafficking is ascendent in LE popularity now tho.
An area that frequently involves co-agency work with ICE. Imo, the priority work hierarchy has turned to Anti-terrorism with a vast reduction of JTTF with local LE. Many agencies and their LEA benefited greatly from the additional training and colloquial relationships, and of course the funding. However, more did not. That said, a great many cases investigated by the FBI are withheld from the public. In my studies and training with them and their protocol I have to say it surprised me how many I had never even heard of, and the details within are confidential in perpetuity.
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Stacey Wilmoth’s abductor had a similar method & target age. It is not
outlandish to think a tall brownhaired man in Gresham then might be
in his early 60s & have a grandchild at Skyline. If anyone could get her clothes
off to a lab for fresh testing, former PPB Chief Reese,
teaming with retd buddy Balizan, could. He ought to give Balizan
the cold case if the guy didn’t go home to CA.
Does anyone remember if she was actually released, left for dead or did she escape her captor? I only recall it was April 1976 in West Gresham. I am asking because how this case would be investigated today would require it to be “prosecutable”- so as an example likely would need to be an attempted murder (even then I would have to check, Im not sure in 1976 that statute of limitations is similar to today in OR). Fwiw, there is no way I believe that was a first and last offense on behalf of the offender.
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ot https://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/10/portland_police_inaction_on_ch.html
case originated in 2014 & a lazy retiring detective was blamed by ppb/pps for not working to paper a case with the DA on a teacher’s in school filming of a student & now the statute of limitations has passed & that crime can’t be filed. The student was a credible victim & that case could’ve been papered immediately with further charges filed after a warrent found computer child porn. So to me this was a PPB procedural policy problem on referring cases with a credible victim. Who was the Chief? Reese served mid-May 2010 to Jan 2015. This was on his policy/procedure/supv watch. yes, he was newer than Staton on 6/4/10 & had been leapfrogged by the irascible Sam Adams upthe ranks from Mgr of Central Precinct. No wonder he didn’t know as a 2 week old Chief on 6/4 that ppb had contractural jurisdiction over crimes on school property.
Inexcusable. BS they can’t name the retired detective if he is no longer subject to personnel sanction/evaluation and on public pension. Additionally, I can assure you if there is proof there are this many victims, there are likely dozens more they do not know about. On the surface it looks like this fails at the licensing level through the criminal due process chain, but the victim should be advised at this point to seek civil remedy. (which is why they are not releasing det name- one will know who to serve.. ridiculous)
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So, recasting Reese as a vaunted LE bureaucracy manager, else why would Kafoury appoint him prrcipitously w/o any Oregon-based advertisement & search, what were his foci on putting on a Sheriff’s hat? One, he’d been primarily a manager of Patrol (Central Pct) & that was his forte on ramping up to PPB hief. One expects as Sheriff he’d focus on County Patrol & heMd rely on those he deemed Patrol experts in mcso, ie jason gates. Second focus: prisons. mcso’s most significant function budget wise is running the jails — corrections. Reese made significant leadership changes, but didn’t trouble seasoned competents like Vera Pool. His 3rd focus was the weakened (under Staton) Business prong, which is ironic bcz it was said Skipper promoted Staton based on his business & accting training. But audit staff and the Business Chief Yankee had bit the dust prior to Reese’ arrival. Twice now Reese has ignored mcso hx of having a deputy LE in that Chief Deputy Business job & selected nonLE to run that shop.
What Reese has not focused on is “detecting,”
Investigations.
Smith, & the brought-back Gosson are far from new blood. Line level investigations sgt has been vacant on the personnel chart forfurther back than I want to research. The SIU under the vacant position is also an oldie—google throws up his 2007 work on regional drugs & meth. It seems after Patrol (the face of mcso to its public), Corrections (the face of mcso esp budgetwise to Kafoury), & Business, Investigations gets short shrift from the good Sheriff. How in the world Kyron’s parents put up with this (non)investigative agency is beyond me. Amy comment, MockingbirdSings?
o/t: sometimes I read your posts multiple times and remain in awe of the way you are able to analyze at 30,000 ft and from the weeds simultaneously.
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The Clery alert for this just came in and gave me a case of Morgan Harrington deja vu. Fortunately, the woman could report her assault.
Metallica concert
Big campus arena
Victim a visitor
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_6950bee6-d54f-11e8-8bb6-4fabfb582e11.html
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/crime_courts/article_ee2609a2-d598-11e8-abf0-33cd6a80a90c.html
And the timing.. Thank you for posting Lizzy. Fwiw, and I certainly could and would not post a name/incident, but Matthews certainly did have additional victims in his criminal and psychological escalation. The question is- did those tangentially involved with handling his early cases learn something from this to proactively affect their process and evaluation? For me, anything less is unacceptable. I can’t believe its been 9 years since “our shiny girl”.
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Hidden in Prison: 7 States Have Thousands of Inmates Not in DNA Databases
https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2017/07/hidden-prison-7-states-have-thousands-inmates-not-dna-databases?cmpid=horizontalcontent
Harmon, the California prosecutor, said the states letting the prisoners remain behind bars without compelling them to submit DNA is a major loss for the American justice system.
Killers can keep killing, rapists can keep raping, he said. And their past crimes could potentially go forever unsolved.
“Not having a sample from an eligible offender can allow him to escape detection and continue to rape and kill,” said Harmon. “Only national oversight can correct the problem.”
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If any of you live in one of those 7 states, write to your State representatives to get the law changed, or write to your Reps in Congress to initiate a national law. This is definitely one of the cases where “there oughta’ be a law”.
Examples:
https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2018/08/codis-loophole-closing-nevada-inmate-charged-infamous-colorado-cold-case?cmpid=horizontalcontent
https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2018/09/trial-begins-man-charged-gyspy-hill-serial-killings?cmpid=horizontalcontent
Excellent suggestion T.Ruth. I would add that it is always impactful when writing for change to provide one’s states examples where the current process failed. It changes the dialogue from “what if” to “what happened”.
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Wilmoth, left for dead with severe
physical injuries in a ravine beside the River.
Attempt murder. Since it was in commission of a felony
child rape, brings in depraved heart argument.
Yes ma’am.
Given the status of the Gen and DNA sites- why isn’t her case a priority? I can’t opine this is the situation with Gresham, but I can tell you there is some hesitancy at the local level for solving legacy cases out of concern for liability to future crimes. That baffles me because you would have to KNOW it was relative first-
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Didn’t mcso take over
Gresham PD & integrate their “detectives”?
That gives Reese the old Wilmoth files & evidence
control, if they were preserved. Wasn’t
mcso Det Gosson originally with Gresham.
I don’t see Gosson, mcso detective, doing dna ancestry work off trace evidence on clothes, and there should’ve been plenty of it. imo He’s more the I and only I can solve it, and in a personal, heroic manner, not a nerdy manner.
self-correcting. Gresham PD still exists. Gosson worked cases in Gresham such as Beres, likely on E Cty Major crimes team. Interestingly in Gresham, PD would have jurisdiction & evidence if school was determined the crime scene. If location found was treated as the crime scene, that area was likely MCSO’s jurisdiction. Anyway, likely mcso det gosson could get the evidence shipped to a competent advanced crime lab for dna.
Does a prisoner have rights with regards to their DNA? Why can’t the prison officials just snag their cup after a meal?
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In Hudson v. Palmer, 468 U.S. 517, 104 S. Ct. 3194, 82 L. Ed. 2d 393 (1984), the Supreme Court declared that prisoners do not have a Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures of their property because the Fourth Amendment is inapplicable to them.
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Prisoners%27+Rights
T. Ruth says:
October 23, 2018 at 12:57 pm
ot see Oregonian for schools report release controversy.
Skyline: http://oregonian.s3.amazonaws.com/school-ratings/1718-DetailSheet-890.pdf
I don’t find this data useful nor usefully packaged in this new format
at all re academic skills achievement by school, subject & grade.
Seems mainly set up for some sort of minority analysis (race, poverty, LD).
There were lots of reasons Kiara woukd have benefitted from
Teri’s custody & not have been in Skyline.
2 great studies out of Washington State.
https://www.atg.wa.gov/child-abduction-murder-research
Wish mcso & the 2 bios
1) would read
2) believe in statistics.
Rose, once again… Thank you for posting this. I am intimately familiar with this study, and its 1997 predecessor. There are more in the private study sector, some of those authors and research heads appear to be mentioned and/or quoted in this study (in part).
One thing I wish to point out, is that this study consists of investigation from the LE and investigative perspective, to include where available, specific case data of solved cases as corroboration. In my view, what is a critical factor for training for any LE that will be tasked with a possible abducted and murdered child case, are the studies that actually recorded their research findings and data from actual child abductors/murderers. Yes, I know, this is a small sample, but in a cold case situation of a missing and abducted child- eight years old-what investigator worth their salt thinks they can ignore solid data, especially in a case where they have ZERO physical evidence or I would argue any credible circumstantial evidence of a crime?
I have said this repeatedly so I apologize in advance for my comment “on a loop” if you will- if this case were to be investigated from the perspective assumption that it is/was a sexually motivated abduction and murder of a 7 year old boy, one can “overlay” certain offender parameters and develop suspect zero. Is it protocol, is it ideal? No. But neither is the current track- the same track of 8 years that has not produced a single lead in that same amount of time. Doesn’t this child deserve for those tasked to look outside ego? Investigators of every kind can and will get it wrong occasionally- what makes the best rise to the top are those that admit it, scrap everything and start over with an objective review by someone who is SKILLED in such case work. This happened to me once very early. Not because I did not follow my leads and evidence, that I did correctly, what I did was question the motivation and the “ease” of it. The victim was no less dead and the suspects are in jail for life, but I learned a very valuable lesson about my ego and about how to form hypothesis into theory.
Lastly- you know where I first studied the 1997 version of this report? It was referenced in a Boulder DA memo to police to ask if any of their investigators was familiar with it or had studied it. Still.. with the parallels here.
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interestingly, 2nd grader Wilmoth was kidnapped
4/28–arguably same time of school year.
https://newspaperarchive.com/yuma-sun-apr-28-1978-p-13/
scroll down halfway to this “Security is tightened after attacks on girls SALEM. Ore. (AP) – The body of an 11-year old Salem girl was found in a farm field south of here. A 7* vear-old Gresham girl was battered but alive after being kidnapped from her …” & keep reading. 3 girls are referenced in a cluster (prob unrelated) including Wilmoth.
sure enough Ellinwood & Newsome were same SO, solved. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.statesmanjournal.com/amp/8747875
probably I’m revisiting the 2010 knowns.
FYI
https://www.rapsheets.org/oregon/portland-jail/Lancaster_Phillip/1449614
To add context: https://katu.com/news/local/former-roosevelt-high-school-teacher-charged-with-encouraging-child-sexual-abuse
Mind boggling how these crimes seem to go ignored as felony offenses for years. That’s certainly one way to try to avoid torts or pi suits under the statute of limitations, isn’t it?
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o/t After this they can try him for his wife’s murder.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-orders-robert-durst-to-stand-trial-in-friends-killing-18-years-ago/ar-BBOUubA?ocid=spartanntp
I am so fascinated by this guy’s psychopathy I can’t tell you. My personal opinion based on the evidence I am aware of is that Durst arranged Berman’s murder by some means, but did not kill her himself. His wife, however, I concur was at his hand. He is represented by some of the finest criminal defense attorneys and in the first years of the prosecutorial misconduct felony law, so this trial is going to be a constant barrage of motions- and I wonder if Durst will request a bench trial. He won’t get it, because the State will object, but it would be his best shot at an outright acquittal. As it is, unless something new develops, I predict a mistrial.
Also o/t: the O2 network just did a 2 hour special on Israel Keyes. If one is interested in the study of the psychopathy and offenses of serial killers, its a decent primer. Although, I will say the SAC (female) could have done much better on her own with the subject (think Clarice Starling). Let me say here and now that having studied Keyes at a time when the case was actually unfolding, and working as a research cadet of sorts, I can tell you nobody believes they know the half of what this guy “was” or has a grasp on his actual victim count. I was able to produce an unsolved VA case to the pre trial team that has never been able to be excluded to this day. I mention this because he is one of a handful of examples that will require the BAU to update some profiling criteria, imo. One of the negatives that comes with being trained extensively and with specificity in what I will call the pillars of knowledge and classifications in the areas of criminal offenders of this “type” or archetype is that when you throw in something substantive that none of us have seen before (be prepared, the show does have multiple LE stating “I have never come across it previously… and the like) everyone kind of stiffens at the elbow and feels like they are unsure of everything they profiled for the offender thus far. This happened here ultimately because he was able to commit suicide- to some degree Keyes was controlling events and that can never happen. That said, the case unfolded as a mp case, so, its hard to get around that when recovery of a live victim is the priority.
Keyes is just full of profile criteria nobody knows what to do with yet, imo. Full of garden variety sk behavior and acts, and full of “firsts” that are mostly incongruent. One of the ways you can tell this is the apprehension the FBI has had in releasing a great deal of info. That is usually a solid sign.
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Does anyone remember if she was actually released, left for dead or did she escape her captor? I only recall it was April 1976 in West Gresham. I am asking because how this case would be investigated today would require it to be “prosecutable”- so as an example likely would need to be an attempted murder (even then I would have to check, Im not sure in 1976 that statute of limitations is similar to today in OR). Fwiw, there is no way I believe that was a first and last offense on behalf of the offender.
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It was April 26 1978, a Wednesday. She was 7 years old, just like Kyron. She left class to go to the restroom and a man told her her mother wanted her and threw her in his trunk. She was thrown down an embankment near Troutdale. She was beaten badly, teeth knocked out. (The reports don’t say she was sexually assaulted, but I’m guessing yes, based on the clothing she still had on.)
LE presumed the perp thought she was dead, and the area where she was found was otherwise undisturbed.
According to the reports, she was found early Thursday morning, crying in a bushy area outside a tug and barge works on the Columbia River a few miles north of Gresham. A shipfitter who worked nearby found her and took her to the hospital and said she was “shivering and shaking. Her socks and T-Sirt were covered with dirt and blood”. “All she had on was a T-shirt and knee socks”. Ray Miller (who took her to hospital)said “she told me her attacker had her in the trunk of his car when he opened it he beat her on the face with his fists and then choked her”. (And that’s when her tooth was knocked out.)
According to the report “Gresham police got a good description of a man seen in the Gresham school by a teacher and a student shortly before Stacy’s disappearance. They made up a composite photo from the description. (Which, I’ve never seen in any of the old news papers.)
The man was described as 35-38 years old 6’2″ and 180 pounds with dark hair and a think mustache.
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The above is consolidated from several old articles I found online years ago. So yes, there was clothing and I’m bettin’ the perps DNA is still on it. Also there was mentioned a possible other piece of clothing found in the Boring area. Question is, do they still have it held in evidence somewhere?
This little girl described him, his car, his home (or whomever the home belonged to) in detail and they could not find him! I don’t get why the composite sketch was never revealed. Did he resemble someone of power?
Two other young girls were missing and one found dead in Oregon around the same time. One was found strangled to death on a farm south of Salem and had been missing since April 19. That was 11 year old Stephanie Newsom. “Chief Kent Reesor said there was “some similarity” between the suspect’s appearance and descriptions given of a man seen in the area of the Salem girl’s disappearance. Salem police also had made up a composite of a potential suspect, but said their description wasn’t near as complete as in the Gresham case.” Another girl went missing from Corvallis, not sure if she was ever found Ann Ellinwood, 12 yoa.
So why was the composite never printed in the paper!?
Would not surprise me if one’s DNA would lead to another. So since one actually resulted in murder, (don’t know if there was clothing found or not, will try to see if I can find the story on her), I’m thinking opening Stacey’s case back up statues of limitations or not, could lead to other murders and/or attempted murders.
I hope one of these agencies does that!
In general, this type of offender does not make this incident his “first” and “last”. Similar to Kyron’s, this may be a situation where a thorough victimology study/interview might disclose at the very least, an initial possible suspect list to work from. Aspects of this crime (with very limited info) make me think it was a trigger-onset opportunity based offense at first glance. One has to include or exclude any association between the victim and perp.
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Ah, it appears Ann Ellinwood’s case was solved, but there not sure if the perp is the same one that murdered Stephanie Newsom.
Retired cop solves 1978 cold case (2014)
CORVALLIS, Ore. – Ann Marie Ellinwood was participating in a March of Dimes walk-a-thon on April 15, 1978, when she encountered a man with a small dog and a pickup truck who told her he was the chief of police, witnesses later told police.
The 12-year-old was never seen again.
Last month, James “J.R.” Miller met with Ellinwood’s parents to tell them he knew who was responsible for their daughter’s disappearance.
The retired Salem Police sergeant researches cold cases.
(sniipped, more @ link)
https://kval.com/news/local/retired-cop-solves-1978-cold-case
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2014/05/05/salem-police-solve-year-old-cold-case-murder/8747875/
This one has before and after photos of Chambers after he changed his appearance. No wonder the witness didn’t recognize him!
Doesn’t seem to fit Stacey’s perp either way…no thin mustache. Very hairy guy no matter which color his hair is died. Wish this retired police officer would look into Stacey’s case.
Excellent example of WHY perp’s drastically alter their appearance post offense. This also “goes to” why some LE are very hesitant to release witness descriptions and composites. Parabon has created advanced strides based on DNA if available.
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One would think with all of the hate crimes taking place in this country by enraged unstable people seeking some sort of perceived justice That a certain person running a hater site encouraging violence against people as a form of pay back for unproven crimes would get the message.
The people committing these crimes are the same sort as SG’s Facebook audience.
Her followers are motivated by rumors, suspicions and half truths just like the people committing these deadly shootings and sending pipe bombs. Any day one of the crazies on her facebook could pick up a gun or mail a pipe bomb and perhaps end someones life who is not even the target of SG’s vitriol . She freely publishes Terri’s and Dede whereabouts .
The three crimes below all occurred within 72 hours in this country. One of the things they all had in common was social media Facebook. Twitter etc.. The same platform SG uses to stir up hatred.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-victims/index.html
https://qz.com/1440202/cesar-sayoc-is-a-poster-child-for-twitters-harassment-problem/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/us/kentucky-kroger-shooting/index.html
I have to ask Blink, any opinions on Jayme Closs missing in Barron WI. Such a brazen attack yet no sign of the child. It sounds like a home invasion yet why take the child unless she was the target all along. I found it interesting that the sheriff called for a closed town meeting much like they should have done at Skyline Elementary immediately after Kyron was taken.
My biggest fear- this is a Jett Duncan scenario. I am told they have zero leads. That said, they just arrested a dude who broke in the empty home atf- I would start there, as in, what was he looking to steal?
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Blink, How is this descriptor for his profile? Are you saying that one of the 8-12 suspected victims might be Kyron? First I’ve heard of this killer.
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Montgomery [Dr. Stephen Montgomery, a forensic psychiatrist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville] also said the notes were reminiscent of a famous movie killer, “The butterflies and moths sort of evoke ‘The Silence of the Lambs’ type of killer.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/serial-killer-israel-keyes-suicide-letter-creepy-ode/story?id=18421558
No. Not to my knowledge or belief. I DO believe before his daughter was born there are likely child victims (sexually motivated offense, beginning stages of escalation, voyeurism, I have found him to be pretty textbook in that regard). My association is he is an example of an opportunistic offender but with a highly organized MO, intentional random victim profile. To this day we dont know who abducted Kyron or if he had a stranger or acquaintance status.
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and how was he sure it was empty?
you mean him? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III
Thank you for correcting my abbreviation Rose, yes, that is who I meant when referring to him as Jett Duncan and the Groene case.
That case stays with me for a variety of reasons, but the least of which is that I believe there may be additional victims. I would also point out the unsolved murders of the Short family (Henrico county from memory?) in VA- substantially similar to the recent Wisconsin case as well. Also, apologize if I missed answering your question about the burglarly suspect- according to a LE source colleague of mine, yes, the home was empty. Who attempts to burglarize a murder scene with a still missing child out there? That is a very short list of possibilities, imo.
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https://kstp.com/news/barron-county-sheriff-says-over-2100-tips-received-in-jayme-closs-investigation/5129707/
Suspect identified in cold case kidnapping, rape, murder of Arkansas woman, officials say
Officials recently used the DNA recovered from Felkins to run a genealogy test and family-tree building technique to identify Renegar as the primary suspect.
“It is with 99.99% accuracy that it is Edward Keith Renegar’s DNA that was collected as evidence from Pam Felkins during the initial investigation,” Ryals told reporters.
The sheriff’s office said that investigators collected DNA from Renegar’s biological daughter, which also confirmed a 99.99% match with the DNA found on Felkins.
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http://www.fcso.ar.gov/press_view.php?id=261&fbclid=IwAR12cgzNCfZn1pfFs5OvcnB3I3HMKHvnLlIR-QwDPRK1mJ9cQNaEMhBQX10
Wonder how many other kidnappings and murders this dude got a way with!
And why was he only in jail for 10 months after kidnapping a young woman at knife point and tying her up, who managed to get away. WTH?
https://www.msn.com/g00/en-us/news/world/suspect-identified-in-cold-case-kidnapping-rape-murder-of-arkansas-woman-officials-say/ar-BBPcObC?ocid=spartanntp&i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.ua=2&i10c.dv=17
Ooops, I gave the wrong link in my previous post.
yeah, the 10 months was shocking.
except it was a white man in rural Ark
Can anyone figure out what patrol grid boundary the school was in?
Perhaps it was South of 10?
Could it always have been in Portland PB jurisdiction?
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/74115
Thanks for the response Blink. I did immediately think of the Duncan creep. I did not know about the Short family murders. After reading about it this sounds so close to what could have happened with Jayme. To bring it back around to Kyron I found this statement in one of the recent articles about the Shorts. This may be what needs to happen with Kyron’s classmates. They may know something.
“The latest plea from investigators is for the people who were around Jennifer’s age. They would have graduated high school by now. Many of them would probably be about college age. They are the only generation the Henry County Sheriff’s Office hasn’t heard from”
https://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/investigators-release-new-plea-for-help-in-short-family-murders/1489863006
fwiw https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/getting-warmer-why-police-chase-cold-cases-like-suzy-lamplugh?__twitter_impression=true
https://m.facebook.com/missingkyronhorman/posts/1233033270061601
Admin comment: Absence of empathy + presence of narcissism = ?
@cd. you make the right analogy between physical violence acted out following provocations on social media nationally when pointing out the risks of Soldier’s calls for stalking and physical violence to Kyron’s functional mother on facebook.
Seems to me the backdrop is the difficulty institutionalizing the mentally ill for the purpose of treatment with loosened State laws since the 70s and the availability of those A-whatevers broadly. Many mentally ill would not have ever been hospitalized or diagnosed by an MD, so a gun control law prohibiting them from ownership would not stop the problem. Arguably though, in the analogy the bio mother is the “Chief” who first and incessantly called for targeting Terri by her followers, to include Soldier, and she has never rebuked Soldier, her fundraiser in chief, for her dangerous behaviors. So in my opinion, Desiree is the provocateur of stalking and violence in this instance. Soldier published one of her facebook posts recently which said that she is busy about something and can’t wait until she is allowed to reveal it. It struck me that one of her advisors likely decided to keep her busy.
Lately, veering a bit into the political, I have been reading a lot. I was number 300+ (in Cheney’s town) at that public library awaiting Omarosa. It was a quick and breezy read. She said staff tried to keep you know who busy, ie eventing. Desiree reminds me of having that need about the loss of her son. It doesn’t matter if it’s productive, or contributes to the goal, just keep her busy.
After such a long wait for her book, I was surprised to see Comey, same town, just sitting on the shelf (not as much demand). It was informative about the FBI, starting in Chapter 8. One man’s perspective of how the DOJ and FBI should work and did for him.
Then I found just sitting on the shelf the recently deceased Donald Hall’s blurbs of a nonagenarian. After I read it, one of my twitter feeders pointed to a review: https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/donald-halls-late-burst-of-creativity Mike Pride is a breathtaking writer I had never heard of.
It is clear Soldier never read his book Writing Well. Typical rumblings include “those of you who think she don’t bother to read here…” or a page “is not ran by Teri, it’s ran by me…” or “pitty” for pity.
I noticed, just before cd opined, when looking at the parallels with today’s homicidal tragedies, that Soldier said she’d been put in facebook’s corner, to use her words. I gather that means she was given a suspension. She apparently just set up a duplicate page cloning the suspended one, and her first day back directed her few followers to return to it when she is suspended again. She continues to stalk, threaten, and identify Teri’s physical location for folks to carry on stalking locally on her behalf. Facebook monitoring of crazy homicidal stalkers is beyond useless and it is unfortunate States do not cover this gray area with enforceable criminal laws. I have seen on Twitter specific repeated threats to people be rejected by Twitter (the recipients put up screen shots, with reports and Twitter responses). The first Amendment doesn’t prevent regulatory legislation. Defamation or libel, when it fits a State Statute,
can be penalized irrespective of the first amendment. There’s an old argument about whether the FCC should regulate hate speech on the internet.
To get back to Soldier, I have learned so much from Dr. James Fallon’s work, introduced to me here. He says the pattern of a psychopath includes at least two variables: a certain genetic allele pattern and a certain functional MRI pattern, iirc the latter is the pic of an underaroused limbic system, but I’m not reviewing. He had both. He posits those in prison for criminal behavior had poor parenting in the earliest ages and were exposed to violence. Those like himself who are merely very successful in their fields, but not criminal, had unusually nurturing homes. Soldier clearly fits the criminal type, as evidenced by her maladaptive behavior and her childrens’ who apparently had home type l in their earliest years. Biomother’s continued reliance on her for publicizing her GoFundMe account and to stalk Terri and DeDe and accuse them of the abduction means in my opinion biomother has abstract reasoning problems, is a stranger to ethics lectures, & lacks empathy. If I also posit the narcissism, which would put her in Fallon’s research camp, then Blink will remind me parents of abducted children have unusual reactions, but I bet this biomother is off the charts unusual behaviorally in her choice of an alliance with and fundraising reliance on Soldier.
I have been thinking about responding to cd for a few days, and finally was propelled by the need to pass time while a pizza cooled. After waiting 3 days to make it & getting the crust ready & sauce on, I discovered at l am I had no mozzarella….
Comey spends some book talking about made men and the mafia from his SDNY prosecutions and more. As I reread my paragr l above, my mind flew to thinking Soldier has been acting and speaking in the role of “made man” as she apparently believes is expected of her. Who is her “Don”?
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Mystery in a Small Town: A Quiet Couple Are Shot Dead, Their Daughter Missing https://nyti.ms/2D3cRfZ?smid=nytcore-ios-share
A central theme of both biomother & Soldier has been “loyalty.” Desiree excoriated father’s lack of loyalty to her while married & pregnant, and his lack of loyalty/fidelity to her successors. They expect concerned citizens about the abduction to be so loyal to Desiree, they are to take her word Teri did it.
re Closs, NYT article. At first I saw the abductor as a local, psychotically
fixated on the girl, who preplanned the abduction & an off grid hidey hole
who eliminated rival love objects (parents). In the article I noticed a truck stop
where locals eat. My Q to aunt is did the Closses eat there from time to time.
And, trussed turkeys gotta be trucked from a plant somewhere by someone.
In this case I’d think a semi-trucker is a perfect way to get cross country & evade
Amber Alerts. Parents’ execution fits motivated by an intelligent goal to eliminate her
closest investigation drivers. I can see why
MCSO did neverending ground searches rather than profiling a serial sexual
opportunist first. But in this case the belabored ground searches beyond a certain house radius
wasted time as well as the 2100 “tips”, rather than focusing on a profile and where
paths intersected such as a school, a club, a sports team, or truck stop. I think he saw her
personally, not online, to be so motivated. This was well-organized & executed; when police got there in 4 min, he was gone. The storyline police don’t know the weapon is dumb, bcz the bullets would tell them.