Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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it seems desiree sent Stacey advance notice of her Thurs interview airing at 6 pm soStacey could put out a c 5 pm alert on her FB page. I cannot believe Stacey was the only person a behavioral narcissist would notify in advance. Surely alsosome Yuba Cty folks, and MCSO Det. Relentless Aggressive as she once characterized him.
@ Rose says:
February 1, 2017 at 2:26 am
that is, why do an age-progressed poster pic if a
parent has reason to believe
and does believe
there has been no age progression.
just realized this.
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I wish I could locate a photo of both Quinn and Desiree at the age Kyron would be NOW, and I would update the age progression pics to what Kyron would look like NOW… I have background in art, and have done portraits from photos, *(pre-computer era), and I know I could come very close to what he might look like (closer than what the pros did on that one released to the public, for sure).
I have this weird thing, were I can’t recognize faces of people… I have to rely on other factors to recognize my own children even… however, I see each minute detail of people and body language and can identify by the smallest differences… I don’t have a pic of Q or DY at Kyron’s age now… this is that awkward gangly tween-age period that the face really has a different look… Once he is at least 16 up, I can find pics of Q, and would be able to update it from then, but NOW is when he needs to be looked for… He will look VERY much like Q did, because he looks like his mother… And very little genetic visually from his father.
@ Rose says:
February 1, 2017 at 6:02 pm
She gives as good as she gets in that regard… she uses things to her advantage as well.
OT @erose. I have a new crush on yr WA AG:
brilliant, articulate, and visually appealing on TV.
Stacey and her tribe ie rader
are making the written case to the Yuba DA as to why Terri really needs
a gun–even more than Kaine with his devotion to target practice.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-2/
mas harleycolt missbri ode erose amyssister
january & so many others on fire.
re mama. despite my concern about her narcisstic acting out
as a forlorn figure of loss, I offer sympathy
but a sincere plea for new advisors. Yet how can
she jettison a sister channeling $ her way and
base husbandly advice?
On Febuary 3rd the DA for TH’s gun theft hearing met with udge Julia Scrogin a judge who hears felony cases and is not the judge Benjamin Wirtschafter(who normally hears misdemor cases) who will be hearing TH’s case on February 6. TH and her attorney were not present at this hearing.
Can anyone who understands law more then I do comment on why this hearing took place. Is it common for a pre trial hearing to involve the DA and a Judge not assigned to his case to have an official hearing about the case?
Rose- apologize I am behind.
A general comment- I am not in a position to advise TMH, and if I were, I hold no confidence my advice would be prudent or followed. I remain convinced she had nothing to do with Kyrons disappearance. The rest of the current issues, which in my view, have come from a progression of poor decisions are on her part, are on her.
B
Sorry Rose I can offer no info on pending matters- won’t even ask.
B
kudos
I could only speculate with so little info T.Ruth. It is my understanding the hearing is the 6th.
@TRuth. imo DDY is glib when she says new detective – imo refers to yandell again (meaning new relative to 2010-13). Anyway, I believe nothing she says because she has reasoning weakness.
@cd. imo in response to hater onslaught, likely the DA tried to forum shop to a hanging judge (scrogin) who w/o D or her atty booted it back to original Judge & hearing.
imo if DA reneges on plea agreement, T can absolutely show concrete harm from DDY (who imo made that staged Medford TV interview last Thurs just to shoot online to her target audience (stalkers and Yuba County/Court figures)
Of course Teri has to be mentally organized enough to retain a competent tort atty. Has not been to date.
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@Blink. imothe only time she’s had stability in adulthood (despite degree achievements) has been with the structure of her parents’ roof. I am learning more and more to see certain syndromes may not be personality (ie a personality disorder) but an in utero compromise, ie such as FAE or FAS spectrum…or infection or whatever can affect hearing or vision plus cognition and language and motor and frontal lobe self regulation. Of course you know I’m thinking of someone who confabulates pervasively, has sexual impulse control difficulty, has expressive/receptive and written comprehension language difficulty, has a quick hot temper (ie punched a 2nd grade teacher), is very concrete lacking abstract reasoning capacity, and so on. He can’t even regulate tweets. Well that isn’t Teri, but apparently she has some features like the sexual acting out. I hope she goes home while there is a home, learns a trade she can’t be fired from (say med tech) and finds a first rate civil tort attorney.
There are hundredsof thousands in our country who are A Mess with self regulation difficulty. One is even in high office. but they dont off their stepchildren.
Bios need to bark up the right tree, not grandstand with spa type makeover appearances.
I get your point my dear Rose but can we kindly use alternative examples for comparison? We have to try to keep the case and political conversations separate as best we can. xo
Not saying I agree or disagree with this, but I think TMH’s recent choices/behavior would give any “first rate” civil attorney pause in considering the merits of a plaintiff case.
B
@cd says: “Is it common for a pre trial hearing
to involve the DA and a Judge not assigned to
his case to have an official hearing about the case?”
imo no. DAs don’t willingly add to their workload.
This was forum shopping for a purpose,
imo to get the deal ratified. But a
Judge woukdn’t entertain anything
w/o D atty present.
Could be a defense-colleagial DA was
trying to get a deal ratified Friday heading off
the previous tough Judge W
and a Monday Courtroom
circus, stipulating D atty was in agreement.
But w/o Teri there to attest to her agreement,
way no go.
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Teri behaviorally shows no concern for her own interests
in these cases. I’m wondering whatever made her cooperate with
Houze, if she did.
It is this child’s grave misfortune the 3 parents in his life are so whatever they cannot advocate for identifying his abductor. Teri represented she tried, but that was not what Dr Phil was all about. it was about self-destructing in CA.
I have been of that opinion for a long time. Sickens, saddens and angers me.
B
@kewl. no doubt you have better skills than employees at the Natl Ctr’s VA Office, but their Forensic Imaging does this age advanced photo free at request of LE (mcso), so why Kelly put the Promise to Age Progress on GoFundMe last year and disseminated nothing is puzzling.
http://www.missingkids.com/LongTermMissing
DY in the news:
http://ktvl.com/news/local/terris-troubles-recent-arrests-give-kyron-hormans-mother-hope
As for the search for Desiree’s son, she says there’s a new head detective with new evidence, new searches and a renewed energy in the amount of time being spent to find Kyron Hormon.
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DY always says that there will be more searches and LE had new evidence. IMO DY has been saying the same every 6 months or so for 6 years. I have yet to even see to aged progressed picture that Kelly talked about last fall. I think DY always says there are more searches because the GoFundMe donation sites purpose is to fund searches so if there are not going to be anymore searches…………
I must have missed this, but apparently there are two separate gun charges, the first with the roommate and the second with the DV charge. That must be the two charges, DV and another stolen weapon.
snip>
Terri Horman has been going by the name, Terri Lynn Moulton. Her attorney told News10 she has no public comment at this time about the California arrests. The Marin County District Attorney’s Office said due to “insufficient evidence” the stolen car charge has been dropped. But she still faces domestic abuse and a stolen weapon charge in Yuba County.
http://ktvl.com/news/local/terris-troubles-recent-arrests-give-kyron-hormans-mother-hope
OT, Rose there is a current FOIA on AG Ferguson’s email response to Ana Mari Cause, current prez at UW, where she requested his help in limiting or stopping an event at the UW on inauguration day, which he seemingly denied, standing up for free speech no matter the subject. He wasn’t everybody’s favorite on that issue, though he had my support. (My son was at school in Red Square that night, and the first gender and age description reported of shooting victim matched my son. Thank God he texted me moments later.) The “Bernie” protesters and the event goers were peaceful, but when the Westlake protesters who had been infiltrated by professional anarchists showed up it turned violent, just like Berkley. Seattle Police were told to stand down by the university police and chaos ensued. Complex times.
Rose says:
February 3, 2017 at 10:49 pm
OT @erose.
Why didn’t TH tell Dr. Phil that Kyron was known to have left the school with an unknown male, or at least say a teacher okayed it?
I dont think we know for sure what she said and did not say and what was editing. I spent quite a while ruminating how to respond to this very good question, lol. I decided the best way to answer you is to opine in the hypothetical- I am aware of information specifics being kept away from defacto suspects in criminal cases to insure it does not temper or alter the potential testimonial evidence of that person.
B
DY won’t say it, KH won’t say it, TH won’t say it (though the missing poster did), no one will say it, WHY?
I have heard Kaine say it- he still ties SZ to TMH (self-serving, but still…). To my knowledge DY refused to answer the question publicly- I dont know why. I will say that I have independently verified through numerous sources that she is aware of it, in fact, it was the dominant reason she dropped her civil suit- which you will notice nobody asks her about in years either.
B
erose- I believe that article is extremely poorly written- to my knowledge there is no allegation or charge re firearms within the DV complaint.
I guess we shall learn pretty soon who the fake news awards in these recent cases will go to.
B
@erose. remember, ktvl’s interview
source is DDY, and apparently they do
not vet her claims.
I will once again do their job for them… anyone think to ask about the timing of TMH in Marin wrt the statutory clock on the mfh allegation from MCSO?
Specifically, “late last year” would be late December 2009 (language from original FAPA ).
B
Here’s the AltFacts in that ktvl propaganda interview Blink: “”Everything that’s been happening is just what we already know about her true nature. And that she’s a criminal.” Desiree said” And ktvl really aired that!
Terri at the time of the interview had never been convicted of anything but an ancient dui. She’d never been charged with anything in Oregon. Desiree has no credibility imo.
With much respect, I am having difficulty respecting parents “efforts” or lack thereof which include status quo of knowledge that Kyron could not have left with Terri, witness sworn testimony , imploded law enforcement agency of jurisdiction, 2 grand juries that have never indicted for anything and an immunity deal not to deport someone I don’t believe the “grantor” had any standing to grant in the first place. There’s more of course. As I have said many, many times over the past 6 1/2 years- these are not actions of parents of a small child driven to action on his behalf. I truly do not “blame” them for that. In my view, these parents have made certain emotional decisions they may not even be aware of. Happens often. Not my place to judge.
I have worked with parents who’s soul focus was to find their children, and in some cases, then proceed to finding their killers. Sometimes both guilt and truth break people equally.
Add to that I do not believe for a hot minute these parents are being told the truth, but rather LE “impressions”it cannot substantiate to keep them from contacting the ODOJ, DOJ or requesting review or transfer to the FBI. Every successful case I worked on personally, this occurred years earlier than the 7 year mark and before I was ever contacted.
B
The judge asked Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees what the statute of limitations is for attempted murder-for-hire. Rees said it’s at least six years. State law says there’s no statute of limitation for solicitation to commit murder.
“Nothing said this morning changes where we were a month ago, two months ago. Nothing has changed. The state, to the extent possible, has sought to keep in its control the details of the criminal investigation surrounding the disappearance of this little boy, Kyron Horman,” Rees said. That would include further information from Sanchez, he said.
(snipped)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/post_389.html
In light of what Blink just said above, about withholding certain information on this case, I’m pondering Ree’s statement, and wondering if in fact RSE has some OTHER information regarding potential suspects in this case. Something that has nothing to do with the bogus MFH plot. Anywho, I thought we determined there was no statute of limitations on a MFHP, I thought someone here actually posted the law. ?
@ cd says:
February 6, 2017 at 12:35 am
Soldier has stated DDY is also PAYING
for that age-progressed pic. Must be
a stiff bill based on 3-4 months of labor!
One more reason for Soldier to beat her FB
bushes to GoFundMe…..
Again, a free forensic service of the Natl Ctr.
,their Forensic Imaging does this age-advanced photo free at request of LE (mcso), .
http://www.missingkids.com/LongTermMissing
Maybe mcso did not cooperate to request?
my read is in response to Desiree’s media and FB hate-writer campaign,
the DA either withdrew the plea deal or stiffened it (coward) so that Terri’s atty
will go have to trial. If she keeps this litigator, and she must imo, she’ll win. Just costs her big $ to goto trial.
Rinse and repeat, the only way to substantiate the HC and DDY caused her actual harm is to file
a civil tort suit, and in discovery via depos get all the Judge’s ex parte recd & read communications
andthe DA’s. Imo they’ll have to recuse and she’ll have grounds to sue for the GFM $. But shehas no time to lose in filingtbat case. Doesn’t need to be a top flight litigator to get at that discovery.
really been sad to see her spiral down.
What’s really cool about a trial despite the expense is Defense atty gets to depose complaining witness (purported gun owner) about any contacts he had before or after his complaint with each of mcso, DDY or any of her family, and member of Soldier’s FB page.
I’m willing to bet she moved out after someone from Muktnomah Cty located the new complaining witness roommate
thru her address in CA known in and to Mult Cty in the custody case with him and contacted him.
I bet the mcso/da used the hapless Desiree and her henchmen to force Terri
into an expensive trial so she could no longer afford/pay Houze for a murder defense.
I really want the DA deposed in a civil tort suit re any contacts with any mcso or a mcda or Tony.
I like legal fair play.
Rose
O/T
Your reply to me regarding memory skills of string players and regarding Japanese & Chinese musical aptitude. I have a half Japanese daughter-in-law who plays piano beautifully. However, she is afraid to teach. Would not teach her own children. We visited them in 2000 for a week. I took the two young ones, aged 7 & 5 and taught them rudimentary lessons on piano. I made an A in piano in college by memorizing all the pieces assigned for final test. Since I was not a piano major, memorizing was not a requirement.
If one practices correctly, memorization happens no matter what the instrument. My freshman recital piece for trumpet was the Hayden Concerto for trumpet in Eb which was memorized. I played that piece from memory,all three movements,over fifty years later for a group of high school band students who happened to be working on their regional music when our Community band was rehearsing in their facility.
To challenge myself to get back to top level skills with these new teeth, I am making an arrangement of La Virgin De La Macarena that is a combination of elements from arrangements played by Vince Dimartino and Raphael Mendez. We will see if these old chops can handle such a difficult piece.
Thanks Blink, you’re right about KH talking about the unknown man, I guess if it were me I would be screaming it to anyone that would listen.
I keep asking myself who is able to get the loving stepmom/defacto murder suspect and the bio-mom, who are in many ways diametrically opposed in this case to shut up on the same issue? Why do they agree on that???? Perhaps TH told Dr. Phil, but then who or what caused him to edit that part out?
Snap, you are so crafty on that FAPA expiration date.
I have another bet. On the eve of trial, Desiree appears with kvtl on the Courthouse steps, then after hair & makeup treatment, sits in the front row weeping surrounded by crazies in kyron shirts.
And there goes the DV gambit which, with Kaine’s, will be used at trial againsther. She and her attorney shoukd’ve met privately with the DA last Friday afternoon. And she should’ve been there to look him in the eye this morning imo.
Right now I bet he’s convinced she’ll never appear at trial. Maybe she’ll only face the reality of her new bio-created life if incarcerated.
What will Desiree do when
Terri’s incarcerated and
there’s still no Kyron?
Ask for more money to search?
Have no answers but gain revenge.
B
OK this is what I think is going to happen in California. Terri has a Jury trial in May that was scheduled after
the DA met with the judge who usually tries felonies.
05/16/2017 Jury Trial
Judicial Officer
Jury, Trial
Hearing Time
8:30 AM
That means there will be witnesses and testimony. I think what may happen is that they are going to use the video disposition created by DA/RS. to prove Terri is dangerous with a gun. They will probably subpoena Kaine and MCSO deceives. If Terri slips up in any way or or says something to incriminate herself then MCSO will charge her with MFH or something else. They want to get Terri on the witness stand in front of a judge and jury and this is how they are going to do it. I hope she can still get help from Houze.
They cannot use RSE civil deposition and duces tecums are not enforceable out of state. I have no inside information, but when I see a misdemeanor case docket like this one (as I said before, there was what looks like a dismissal for cause and a re-file) along with recent docket entries, I wonder how a DA suddenly comes up with probable cause.
B
You should blog about it ATG. I have no doubt there are more senior gentlemen and ladies that could benefit from your self-challenges.
B
I personally do not believe DY will ever show.
She was advised to (at least publicly) distance herself from the hater crater years ago.
I couldn’t agree more. Like many imperfect people I know, we have all been in a position of necessary self-inventory. These “deep dives” are usually the product of ongoing therapeutics. I don’t know what her personal support system looks like, but I sincerely hope it includes some very “tough love” techniques and a lot of praying. Even if I thought TMH had any modicum of culpability in what happened to Kyron, I can tell you these antics do nothing to solve his case or recover him. These days I am wondering if that is the very point.
wrt ” Christina Stoy says:
February 7, 2017 at 8:38 am
I personally do not believe DY will ever show.
She was advised to (at least publicly) distance herself from the hater crater years ago.”
one amusement yesterday was to see Soldier opine a couple times on elements of Terri’s Court process which were obviously cut and pasted from somewhere because they were way above her writing, thinking or reasoning pay grade. My fantasy was someone employed in a Court- related job sent email explanations to DDY who would pass them on to Soldier to snip for her public.
Oregonian has a feed of selected live Portland traffic cameras.
Were there cameras in 2010? Where? Were they
backed up and preserved? examined?
I can tell you from personal experience in casework that no lea of jurisdiction is going to feature an image of a missing person/child that does not come from their process/protocol. There are no fees to the family of course.
I do not think DDY’s “revenge” is for Terri “taking Kaine away.”
But revenge that Terri wasthe day to day
beloved mother to Kyron from his earliest years.
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Terri’s current behavior is in line with cutting off his birthdad from James,
upping divorced adoptive dad’s child support beyond his means after he paid
for her education yet cutting James off from him too; whatever she said
to Rudy about Kaine (something, imo, tho it didn’t rise to a mfh);
graphic text solicitations of Cook; 3ways with Kaine and ?
and so on.
I cant disagree. All I can say is that it is my experience there are three sides to every story- (you know the adage). I think it is a combination of being forced into a situation of survival, and really bad choices under that motivation. Those are by no means excuses for anyone- I wish everyone involved across the board would straighten their shit out and put this childs recovery first. If those tasked to do so would commit to that, wherever it led, in my view Kyron would be found.
B
” but rather LE “impressions”it cannot substantiate to keep them from contacting the ODOJ, DOJ or requesting review or transfer to the FBI. ”
The first LE to share his “impressions” with both bios was Tony, the night of the abduction. Further, Tony,
proudly wearing his LE employment persona, publically shared his “impression” Terri is responsible on national TV long ago. mcso opining on “impressions” of culpability to the bios would be unnecessary (tho probable) with Tony on the front lines advising them, if only indirectly on TV.
What’s Tony’s motive to keep the investigation from being transfered?
a loss of access to inside info? loss of subtle influence channels?
why would that matter to him?
I dont know Toni has any standing- in fact, treating him in his LE capacity as someone who does would be a problem for any investigative agency as it violates protocol. I know you suspect he is being treated preferentially to some degree, and you may be right, but I have a reason to believe (years ago) it was learned he was using database access on an extended family member and was called out on it.
Personally, I think if anything as a fellow detective he would not promote requesting FBI take over the case and most of the successful usages of this option I am aware of resulted from very strong pressure directly or indirectly from family or community.
B
Rose says:
February 7, 2017 at 9:33 am
Oregonian has a feed of selected live Portland traffic cameras.
Were there cameras in 2010? Where? Were they
backed up and preserved? examined?
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I think the reason LE knows TH was never on Sauvie Island was because security cameras on the bridge never showed her crossing the bridge to Sauvie Island. I think there were other cameras but I have never heard about what they recorded or did not record. There was a camera at Fred Meyers but that is not a traffic camera.
If LE only looked at the traffic camera’s on Terri’s route It makes me wonder if they bothered to look at camera’s on other roads in hopes of seeing SZ.
@kewl
Kyron will be 15 this year, so I think this photo looks to Q at about 15-16.
(Hopefully this link works for you, if not it’s on pg 19):
http://media.photobucket.com/user/NoWay406/media/Kyron%20Horman/FOX%2012%20Oregon%20Photos/Kyron%20Horman%20Photos/f0bcd45c.jpg.html?filtersterm=Terri%20Moulton%20Horman%20-%20Kaine%20-%20Kiara%20-%20(Credit%20Facebook%20Terri%20Horman%20Support%20Group)%20Kyron%20Horman%20Case&filtersprimary=images&sort=1&o=441
Newer photo (aged) but is more straight-on. (I can see Kyron on that one for sure.)
https://twitter.com/quinnmmk
There’s (or was) a photo of DY when she was in high school on classmates. 1988 North Medford High School Year Book, in she which would have been close to Kyron’s age now (hard to believe) and I agree Kyron looks just like her.
Hope this helps, can’t wait to see what you come up with. I’m certainly no artist, but I know I did better than the current composite they have out.
Rose has given us the first two scenes in her courtroom story. I think she needs to get out her story board and show us the next two.
If this actually came to pass, I think the crew would be crying for a different reason.
Hello all. Surely one of the bios has read here, or their “advisers” have. How could they not? Considering they see facts stated, people discussing them, it surely has to prompt them to ask more questions, even of themselves. It’s very perplexing to me that they have not used what they might learn here (even if they are skeptical) to attempt to advance Kyron’s investigation. Who/What do they believe so strongly that they aren’t questioning. The status quo cannot be acceptable to them, for they are out there “bringing awareness.”
sigh.
I have a post from the 6th still outstanding.
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I agree with you Rose, I think TY *was* getting inside information from the get go, and his input or LE “impressions” were most likely taken as extremely relevant in the beginning. However, I think that was stopped, not sure when, but I think that is part of DY’s frustration, that her former *inside info* pipeline disappeared. It explains why they started asking that tips be sent directly to them on their website, **including** the same tips that had already been called in to MCSO.
The reason the pipeline stopped could be, that MCSO was told to stop it by the DA’s office because it was absolutely against protocol, or some evidence was discovered that made them realize they should not be sharing ALL information with the families involved because any of them could be the person connected to SZ in some fashion. Perhaps that is when the pipeline was stopped, when no TMH connection to SZ could be found. IDK JMO
yes, “Personally, I think if anything as a fellow detective he would not promote requesting FBI take over the case ” is what I inarticulately was getting at rather than preferential use of work resources.