Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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actually the response was put out on mcda stationary
Apologies if I got that wrong, I thought it was Multnomah County, signed by their county attorney, not MCDA.
B
kyle’s mcda stationary document was mcda stationary
to clackamus saying do not give kyle his docs.
kyle has circular doc reasoning.
meaning if its a nothing burger, show the doc denials.
Its the County Attorney, not the District Attorney.
I appreciate you posting the link, but Iboshi should appeal it to the DA. He won’t.
B
Rose
Your link to the document about power backup is about an effort to make those in government, business management positions and home owners aware of the shift in power sources for telephony.
The original copper land line services for single line and some multi-line services was provided by the local telco at a switch location. Ring voltage was 90 volts with voice voltage being less.
Each switch location was provide with a battery system and a motor generator set to power the system.
I will continue this later.
thanks. you are right. calendaria is city attorney office
Way to go Blink. I am so curious as to when the data was lost, what the time frame for lost data was, days, weeks, months, etc. and you’re so right that damn dam. Reminds me of the PPS lost info right after a 7 year old was abducted. Thanks in advance for keeping us posted.
ATG, I understand what you are saying about the system failure not being reported to the public and why. My curiosity would be that if another court case is reported on, and the emergency call is not available due to a system failure then it would coincide with this story. Or,as Blink stated, the FEMA alerts and calls on the dam would or should be reported on. I’m not saying it isn’t a true system failure, however it is a convenient one. Devil in the details and all.
Sorry for the break. My ISP made changes to their system about five weeks ago that upset my e-mail connection. Been using a work-around since that time. After eight tries, they finally fixed most of it. The interruption was the final steps and testing.
Telephone Power Subject.
In the late 1960′s electronic smart switches began to make their appearance. This meant that large organizations could put an internal direct dial system in place for their personnel. However, this required some on-site equipment that required power from the customer and a back-up power system in the event of regular utility power being lost.
When the 911 system was started, those had to be local powered and back-up power installed if utility power was lost. The small computer (micro-computers) of the late 1970′s soon began to use MODEMs to communicate to information services, electronic bulletin boards and to each other. Those uses did not require back-up power except to the computers and communications of information services and electronic bulletin boards.
The personal computers used external MODEM and internal Card MODEMs. Power was provided by the user, but if power was down and they didn’t want the expense of a back-up system, they could just wait until utility power was restored.
The advent of the internet and smart phones changed all of the customer power requirements. Fiber optic systems require power to “light-up” the fiber strands to carry communications. The cable operator provides the power for most of it in a division of responsibility called “outside plant” by the operators. The part of the cable system that is beyond a demarcation point is the responsibility of the customer and is known as “inside plant” which can be managed for a fee by the operator. Otherwise, it is the customer who provides and maintains their side of the system.
Cell phone towers use a battery system to provide power to the equipment. These systems are charged by an electrical line provided by a local utility. Some of the large towers also have motor generators with a fuel tank that allows them to operate for a number of hours and charge the battery system in the process. The cell phone must be kept operational by charging the battery from a standard electrical system or from a charger attached to a vehicle.
A year ago, I changed my land line phone to a special unit that allows all my old land line equipment to be used as if it were a dumb cell phone. That unit has a four hour battery and its power source is connected to my APC ups that will power it for 24 hours if that device is the only thing connected and in use. It is a big cost saver as well. My land line type service with unlimited long distance fell from an average of eighty dollars per month to fifteen dollars plus tax.
The file referenced by Rose is an effort for information and standards to protect equipment and provide adequate back-up systems for those who have embraced the changes in communication, but may not know about the power requirements.
Candalaria’s job, for the COUNTY (not City), is not only to respond to FOIAs to County agencies, but also to avert suits and settlements. Already has had to pay out big time for mcso (Staton et al) misdeeds. Swimming with sharks is costly.
Agreed as to MCSO public info requests or FOIA, but the way it works is that they must be requested from the custodian of them- so we can infer that this info he is discussing has not been forwarded. At least thats the rule.
B
Does Sheriff Reese, and his righthand civilian Balizan, kniw what his 6 year investigation Supv Krafve is up to with Kyle and Young? The Rea referral to Douglas Cty? the Sworn Affidavit for TV Drama? the stalking and trial interference in Yuba? If Reese is aware of his supervisees’ activities, what is his goal and end game?
“Iboshi should appeal it to the DA. He won’t”
Kyle’s “document” did not involve the DA.
He wanted Krafve’s “sworn affidavit.”
Apparently City Atty Candalaria facilitated that affidavit.
Was it cleared with the DA?
If not, imo that’s unusual.
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Before Young’s latest hair-lash demo, I have realized she’s in the grip of projection of her inner self onto wife 2.
Soldier, DY’s amaneusis, says TH had 2 motives: hurt Kaine, and she saw Kyron as a problem getting in her way. As to the latter motive, DY herself dumped Kyron on Kaine &went to WA with a BF. As to the former motive (hurt Kaine), desiree let her hatred hang out on Dr Phil and tried to hurt him.
It is more accurate to see Terri as winding up the marriage–moving James to Roseburg,
and attempting to move Kyron to DY’s, to no avail.
7 yrs to examine her laptop?
How slipshod; Retire Krafve.
(And obs there’s nothing there.)
Walsh’s show fell apart(staff left)
before he opined on Kyron originally.
iirc he was trying to keep something
going out of a small office in a poor
area in Silver Spring MD.
I think maybe they just put someone through encase training or purchased a forensics program for electronics (simplified explanation). Really- nobody thinks the FBI investigated this who had this technology and then some, 7 years ago? Does this dude fact check, like, ever? My last forensic report I generated for a client using currently utilized software within the industry ( I don’t endorse or discuss resources) was 7000 records. Why does that piece sound like a training budget justification- is it me?
B
Kyle was about as veracious as our Celebrity President.
His sole new contribution is “detectives traveled to CA within the last 9 months.”
You think that’s when and why McGrath refiled the misdemeanor?
Cristobal.
B
http://mcda.us/index.php/about-the-da/public-records-request/
It seems the County does not firward anything to the DA. Rather it’s up to tge person denied (kyle) to file an appeal of his denial with the DA.
He didn’t do the second nature to a reporter appeal to the DA because he got what he wanted: Krafve’s affidavit. That affidavit must have been facilitated by an ADA.
Arguably, rather than a denial, by providing the case Supervisor’s affidavit, MC attorney candalaria gave a partial answer or disclosure, waiving the LE exemption argument of the rest of what was foia’d.
Fox cancelled in 2011–his staff left.
Lifetime cancelled in 2013.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/lifetime-cancels-americas-wanted-431660
wonder if Kyle paid for a cameo?
home since 2014 https://www.google.com/amp/www.tvguide.com/amp/news/john-walsh-investigates-lifetime-cnn-1063837/
erose
The very important thing that may have been overlooked in this 911 support is the fact that the person responsible for the local 911 system by law must provide a certification document when furnishing a copy of a call to the court or district attorney and to a defense attorney representing a client.
A proper investigation method would be to request all certification documents for the time period of a call of interest. This would prove that the system was working properly. The next thing would be to get a sworn statement from the operator that they had not found a call from a particular complainant from any phone or address.
The 911 system stores the address of all land line phones and is capable of displaying them on maps similar to Google Earth. Since cell phones can move around, the physical location information would come from a cell tower location. All towers have a unique name and exact geo location based on the co-ordinate system for mapping the world.
Voice over IP(internet protocol) poses a little more difficult problem. However, each electronic device that can be attached to the internet has a unique MAC address that can be used for tracking. A smart phone connecting to the internet presents its MAC address to the meta data of the internet packet.
Why do you think, Blink, Iboshi won’t appeal FOIA denial to DA?
Why do you think Candalaria took it upon himself to
attach to his Denial an “affidavit” from Krafve?
I don’t buy the affidavit pretext being to prove the
abduction is an open case. An open case is an open case.
Because it would piss off his sources.
B
IMO on Kyle’s Kyron piece
Kyle’s piece on TH looked and sounded like the same regurgitated info we have been getting from local news for the last 7 years. There’s a grand jury, investigators have new evidence, there have been more searches blah blah blah.
It looked like Iboshi cobbled together old film of TH when she tried for a name change several years ago(2014) with comments from America’s Most Wanted (John Walsh) made during a show about Kyron (2012). To bad Kyle was unable to get more current footage of TH.
The document Kyle waved around sounded like the letter published by the DA last year when Soldier was spamming the DA’s Facebook.
As far as TH holding a knife to anyone’s throat the complaint said she tried to hold a knife to someone ’s throat and even that is unproven. Ask yourself why didn’t Kyle interview the supposed victim for his report.
About the computer forensics You would think if there was any info to be gleaned from TH’s 7 year old laptop it would have been found years ago. I think DY believes that saying investigators are looking for new evidence and doing searches will somehow scare TH enough to cause her to confess.
I do think creating a documentary piece that uses old film and comments (presented as current). Along with bunch of unproven BS about some altercation in Roseburg 27 years ago, is misleading and dishonest on Iboshi’s part. He may have been an investigative reporter years ago but this piece confirms that that is no longer true. He is just another biased Terri hater spewing his evidence rumors and opinion because he wants to be right.
Any hint of starting with unbiased perspective and presenting the facts of this story so that the viewer can come to their own conclusions is missing.
https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/videos/1329916530431598/
At lease he didn’t drag Dede into his BS report.
wouldn’t it be great if Comey applied for
PPB Chief. across the country from
Trouble. he could return to VA
after 5 yrs with govt pension no 2.
Wheeler, please go recruit….
mcso detectives coaching Cristobal in the pursuit
of a DV RO?
now I’ve heard everything.
imo the “searches” are also
training. .
Kyle cited a Hwy 30 search.
that was long ago – the golf course
abutting – and also an easy training ground.
keeping in mind mcso sar are high school volunteers,
formerly a Scout troop before letting teen gals in.
agreed, once again, in my view, that ticking timeclock of statute.
B
So from time to timemcso “detectives”
will get travel, hotel & per diem to
successively interview anyone TH ever
cohabits or works with or for?
Definition of stalking across State lines.
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krafve is wishing for a reenactment
of the Stomps case imo. Man knows zero about
stranger abductions.
Yes.
Technically, very little LE ever know anything about stranger abductions from a rarity and stat perspective. Even less when it comes to a child non relative everyone believed walked off on his own.
B
I want to say Terri isn’t involved, but for me until we know who the unidentified man is, we cant know who is connected to him and we can’t exclude anyone. We can say that Terri wasn’t the last to be seen with Kyron…but that’s all we can say.
Find that man. Release a sketch or at least a detailed description of him. This case is going nowhere until someone releases more information. Why hasn’t someone, anyone, even Terri, released a description of the unidentified man?
Blink I sure hope you will feel the time is right soon to release your report. After following many of your cases on this site I can’t help but believe your report would be beneficial in advancing Kyron’s case.
I appreciate your faith in me Tarheel, but if and/or when I do believe it will benefit Kyron’s case I will publish.
I truly wish I agreed with the philosophy of releasing the description- but 7 years later, unless one is going to sit down with direct witnesses one day and coordinate their accounts and Oh- how about this novel idea- collect all images taken or recorded that day- SZ looks like 1/3- 1/2 men that were there that day without releasing the context and probably specifics on location within the school 7 years later. I 1000% agree that the focus then and now should have been SZ (even Kaine was late to that party but he did show up) and if anyone ever believed the way to finding him was through Terri when there has never been a connection or so much as an identification even acknowledged by LE or MCDA.
Lastly- TMH was never told by anyone about SZ, she initially learned of the individual on BOC, and then through court depositions. How effed up does it sound to everyone else that MCSO has never requested an interview with TMH specifically designed to elicit the ID of the man last seen with a missing child? Makes me think sometimes I dreamed this whole case up it is so catawampus. You are correct about the fact that the best I can say and the best I can prove (and I daresay if MCSO could be held to task on it, would agree publicly) is that Kyron did not leave Skyline with Terri. After nearly 7 years of investigative work and research into this case it is my firm opinion that if what happened to Kyron is connected to Terri somehow, but without her direct knowledge, it is on a level playing field with the possibility being shared by all 4 of his parents. I have never be able to exclude that possibility for any of them conclusively.
B
I’m confused as to why this letter is addressed to a Clackamas County DA?
Did Kyle file an FOIA with Clackamas County instead of Multnomah, and the Clackamas DA’s office simply forwarded to Multnomah County attorney? Why would he do that? Who were the detectives on Kyron’s case from Clackamas? Been so long, I’ve forgotten what the group was called, East County Major Crimes team? Why wouldn’t Kyle file a FOIA with MCDA instead?
Hmmmmmm?
ot
principles trump metrics–Baron/Bezos repudiate click journalism
good description of investigative reporters–like Blink one might say
https://www.google.com/amp/wwd.com/business-news/media/washington-post-editor-marty-baron-on-the-importance-of-investigative-journalism-10885685/amp/
Q: Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?
Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.795;wap2
I’m sure I asked this question years ago, but why would other counties DA’s be involved in Kyron’s disappearance, unless there was some other investigation(s) going on in addition to Kyron’s disappearance that LE must have thought could have some sort of relation to his case?
Clackamas County DA
Washington County DA
They could have simply been search teams T. Ruth.
B
@ATG. re “A proper investigation method would be to request all certification documents for the time period of a call of interest. This would prove that the system was working properly. The next thing would be to get a sworn statement from the operator that they had not found a call from a particular complainant from any phone or address.”
you know so much! thank you.
ot
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_principal_quits_sudde.html
This is the man who was elevated to principal at Skyline in 2011 when
Keefer was reassigned. he had not previously been an Asst Prin or Prin.
He was a HS curriculum specialist. https://www.google.com/amp/www.oregonlive.com/articles/6594862/five_new_principals_named_for.amp
East County Majorcrimes team included Gresham (and I think Troutdale) on it
Your welcome Rose
Sharing knowledge IMO is one of the most important things that this blog does.
LE faces a lot of situations where their experience is lacking. If they would use this type of media, they have the opportunity to learn from our experience and thinking. Cold cases are cause by omission of those doing the the investigation.
People learn a lot of things in the course of their life. Some like many who post here have good memories and good research skills. Learning is a lifetime process that begins with life and ends when we leave the planet. Some people do not pursue learning with much vigor while others do. Good memory is a gift that must be exercised constantly.
Tarheel says:
May 17, 2017 at 10:32 am
My own opinion has been SZ could have been independent and stumbled in due to the yard sign, but more likely SZ was connected to:
l) any of the 4 parents, all have heightened risk factors, but by now I think TH is least likely really due to the behavior of the other 3.
2) school subcontractors and volunteers and subs
3) LE familiar with the school (previously I posited perhaps ex-military special ops training in kidnapping or its prevention; now I think an involved LE might have a military background or such training)
4) the drug trade in steroids and perhaps more.
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Harleycolt yesterday & Blink’s response started me thinking
about Kaine and the SF nonattendance. Blink mentioned due to the drive he needed am facetime at work. That was convenient, but I pondered what he actually did was establish an airtight alibi time line beginning with early am gym (was it 5:30 am?), and wasn’t a mistress call after that or speculated so, and then on to work where his car sat in the lot and his key pass was used. While he nailed an alibi tighter than a snare drum, leaving TH alone all those hours to tend to both kids and assuredly be the parent at the school seems designed to do the opposite for her—no alibi, no adult accompaniment. Just random mother behaviors and errands. So imo his behavior, not hers, tilts to a SZ linkage if there was one.
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google up the Hazelynn Stomps. After Swimming with Sharks, one of Krafve’s proudest trials…co-lead with J Kubic, himself still with MCSO. Basically they claimed they hounded her til they got at the truth. It seems to me Krafve just has a hard head. He is persuaded fully Terri did it and all he has to do is just hound her enough and he’ll get his trial, just like he did with Hazelynn. The case needs to be taken from his supervision or participation. That Kaine does not so request–he had custody of Kyron–is another question any reasonable person could have.
Rose says:
May 16, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Why do you think, Blink, Iboshi won’t appeal FOIA denial to DA?
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Because it would piss off his sources.
B
I guess you mean his MCSO “sources” he is obviously cooperating with putting forth a statement on their behalf, ie the affidavit-giving Krafve. Less dramatically, Kyle could’ve just picked up the phone and called Krafve for a few quotes. However, then Krafve would’ve have to run his media contact through his PI Officer.
One wonders why Krafve included details about the Grand Jury, which is MCDA’s province, and why Kyle didn’t pick up the phone and ask Rod if a GJ remains empanelled. Were I the DA, I wouldn’t appreciate Krafve speaking for my office.
ATG, Now there’s a graduation speech! and a great way to live. I tried to impress learning on all my kids. It’s the moment when they realize how much they don’t know that they truly start to make learning a life’s journey. And, I too love this blog for the shared knowledge and perspective. It is too bad that LE and the parents in this case aren’t more receptive to new ideas, but it’s hard to help people when they either know it all or already have their minds made up.
A Texas Grandfather says:
May 17, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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People learn a lot of things in the course of their life. Some like many who post here have good memories and good research skills. Learning is a lifetime process that begins with life and ends when we leave the planet. Some people do not pursue learning with much vigor while others do. Good memory is a gift that must be exercised constantly.
Tarheel, I agree. The one thing that everyone should be able to agree on is the facts of the case. We are told it is a fact that Kyron did not leave Skyline with TH, so that leaves the possibilities (which are speculation) that she had nothing to do with his abduction, or she directly or indirectly had something to do with it or she had nothing to do with it.
We are told another fact that he left the school with a man. If TH is everything her critics say, and she is not talking (forget for the moment that she hasn’t been asked) then focusing on the identity of the man seems much more reasonable approach.
TH didn’t take Kyron and a man did. Like Joe Friday used to say, “Just the facts ma’am.”
Yes, and the only thing I would add is that there is very little in this case that is indisputable. I am talking the kind of indisputable that has been verified by multiple witnesses, court testimony, school officials, LE assigned to the case and by other means I am not prepared to disclose publicly. The fact that Kyron could NOT have left with Terri and was last seen with SZ leaving the classroom are verified and indisputable facts that are known to those tasked with resolving his case AND his parents. I don’t know for how long it was withheld and from whom (in total), which imo is an important piece of information- I just know that it was and those I interviewed have no explanation for that themselves.
Reading Krafve declaration I had that consistent and frequent visual of the Great Oz winding that amp behind the green curtain. IF any outlet were truly interested in transparency wrt that info request, and not simply to prove that it tried to get it and was denied (insert fake news discussion here) as a SPJ compliance matter (yes, I have pointed that out before) it would be appealed through counsel. I will not be doing KGW’s job for them, but I promise you, there is much more to be gleaned through denials of info for this case by their custodians than one can expect to be released or free from the cloak of exemption.
B
Correction: One of the speculative possibilities should have included TH had everything to do with Kyron’s abduction.
I edited your post to include that for continuity erose. Thank you.
B
I was wondering if Reese retired from PPB or resigned?
Answer: the former.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.oregonlive.com/articles/14130100/portland_police_chief_mike_ree_21.amp
That means he needed from a diff govt entity, mcso, exactly what Art did: 5 yrs out in to earn govt pension 2.
1 down, 4 to go. This would be obvious to his staff. Top Commanders will jockey now to be chosen as his
groomee replacement in a few years.
One of the things Skipper did was to surprisingly reach down the ranks to pick his test tutor Staton to be appointed to the remainder of his term rather than more seasoned top commanders. The obvious choice, a good man, even ran against Staton for Sheriff at election time in May 2010 before pulling out for the good of the agency. In the period before June 2010 the agency was in inner upset over Skipper’s pick of Staton.
I don’t have any issue with a career LEO utilizing the system afforded to them to their benefit- I can’t say that I blame them in that jurisdiction. Obviously we have seen a serious abuse of that system when we look at the addition of Kyron’s case for sure- but who is policing the police on that? I don’t know and it would seem to me anyone who would could not have a conflict of interest. I don’t know overall if the leadership issues that have plagued that region (arguably the state) are pandemic or normal in comparison to others and I have not had the time or inclination to research the issue except to say that during my normal work and coverages generally- I have never seen anything this prolific and it seems, legacy. Reese knows his way around false or erroneous statements to the press:
The Oregonian pointed out that the rape call was made nearly two weeks before the large-scale Occupy Portland demonstration in question and that the rape call was not classified as a top priority emergency when it came in. Later, Reese apologized for his TV remarks.
In my view this was also highlighted by Steve Alexander’s reassignment immediately following his very public statement (Iboshi, read out of context, but still) whereby he basically said Terri Hormans lawyer was contacted and requests for contact must go through him, however, she could waltz herself down to MCSO through their open door policy. I knew when I read that, and stated it here, that was not only an example of the dire lack of oversight by MCDA as to MCSO activity within a matter currently in front of an impanelled grand jury, but that Alexander never heard that from the DA office and had no permission to make such a statement on behalf of MCSO.
B
I think if Kyle were under deposition somewhere for something (defamation conspiracy with DY?) he’d have to disclose this foia and denial was Krafve’s “investigatory idea” imo which he merely implemented…the purpose being for Krafve to speak to the public by affidavit without having to go thru his PI Officer or his bosses or lay the agency open to a tort claim. How often have we seen an agency denial accompanied by a case manager’s soul baring affidavit? he’s sure not independent 4th Estate imo.
review fwiw
http://anabolicscene.blogspot.com/2013/?m=1
@Blink. Was this network already under investigation in june 2010?
can you name the one with ties to a bio?
Yes to some degree.
Not publicly, no. I can say that there are names included in those arrests that were developed as a result of information provided during Kyron’s investigation with ties to Kaine Horman. Mr. Horman admitted steroid purchase and personal use in court testimony dating back to at least 2005. This was after my piece re same was published.
B
the latest Iboshi-Krafve end run is also around the DA.
less than 3 yrs before abduction,
Operation Raw Deal in last paragraph
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nwheadlines/2007/10/a_steroid_ring_with_roots_in_c.html
2014 the followup
https://www.elitefitness.com/articles/china-steroids/
very informative
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/12/hundreds_of_nj_police_firefigh.html
SZ looks like 1/3- 1/2 men that were there that day
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I don’t get it. WTH difference would that make? LE should release a description anyway. Not all the men that day were wearing the same clothes, not all the men there that day did or did not have facial hair, not all the men there that day had the same color eyes, or a broad or narrow nose, wore glasses or did not, not all the men there that day had straight or curly hair or had the same color hair, not all were the same height/weight in proximity, and most importantly I think, not all then men there that day were in a room where a little boy left with someone who is unknown.
Why didn’t LE release a sketch immediately and indicate that Kyron was seen with a person matching this description at certain location, at certain time. Would not this begin a huge process of elimination? Isn’t it possible some someone could have seen Kyron with this person at some other point in time?
I just don’t get it, unless the description is sooooo general, that is, no one really looked at this person, e.g., even EM, who nodded permission, could not give a good description, but IDK, seems to me it certainly wouldn’t hinder the investigation to do so. What would LE have to lose by putting out a description at the time.
Truth it IS that general. We are talking about witness recollection (hindsight) and 7 years. I totally agree LE should have released a sketch then- if only for a public safety reason but MCSO instead withheld that info and here we are.
In the alternative, I think the best option at this point is to notify the public of his existence in the first place to try and generate leads that they dont influence. Never happen, imo.
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I thought I remembered LE asking for photos of the science fair right after this child went missing, but I can’t find it. Perhaps it was in one of those MCSO bulletins, or just in a presser.
I did find this,from June 25,2010, but it doesn’t say where it came from, but I remember it and I also remember Kaine asking for more photos from the public in a presser. I sure as sheet hope they asked EVERYONE.
Kyron Horman update: Authorities haven’t spoken with Terri Horman since she lawyered up
During a question and answer session with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, it was revealed that authorities have not spoken with Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, since she hired a lawyer.
Terri Horman has also moved to Roseburg, Oregon, which is over 150 miles from Portland. When asked if the fact that Terri has moved so far from the investigation would hinder the search for Kyron, authorities answered no. They said that their ability to contact Terri Horman has not been affected by her move.
Authorities also said that there have been several people ruled out as suspects in Kyron’s disappearance, but they refused to name those individuals. At this point in time, there have been no suspects or persons of interests named. Terri Horman has received a great deal of scrutiny and speculation, as well as her friends. Though she has been identified as soliciting her landscaper to murder her husband, she has not been arrested or charged with a crime.
Though authorities requested film and photos from June 4, 2010, the day that Kyron disappeared, authorities said that they have recovered a number of photos and footage but cannot discuss their purpose in the case. They continue to ask the public to provide more photos and films if possible.
A press conference will be held Tuesday, June 27, 2010 at 2:00 a.m. to provide an update on the case.
The tip line for Kyron Horman is 1-503-261-2847.
http://psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/thread/1/kyron-richard-horman-missing-6-4-2010-portland-oregon/
I believe that was in reference to the driving routes outlined from June 3 and June 4th, and undisclosed CCTV, and as I recall some news station footage? All I can say is in my interviews of persons who are actual witnesses they were never asked for their images nor where they asked to view them from that day. I published an image (as you know) so I can definitely state as a fact these were not requested to date.
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kyle’s latest salvo:
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/kyron-horman/grand-jury-hearing-evidence-in-kyron-horman-case-documents-reveal/440862217
He did appealthe police recordsdenial and Rod farmed out the appeal to Clackamus DA due to conflict of interest. imothis rises higher than a Krafve hounding plot.
imo this was media attention designed to influence a GJ sitting in MC.
and imo means Rod plans to call for a vote within the next few months.
probably after the misdemeanor conviction. Bet they’ve already had
Cristobal in, and submitted the pokuce report from CA.
Dershowitz said on CNN last nite, a GJ is not designed to find truth but
to establish evidence favoring one side. And that’s what’s happening here.
An important note here- I agree, but I still cannot believe Iboshi does not report it is the second gj, because it most definitely is, as well as all the statutory rules and law that go with that. That is damn news here.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726784-Appeal-Decision-Clackamas-County-Watermark.html#document/p1
It seems kyle’s request, and subsequent appeal, relates to the 1990 Rea incident which Roseburg “has open.”
No lie, it will be open fiorever because neither Terri nor her ternage spurned lover boy Sean Rea knows who the alleged “gunman” is and no one has any way to find him to as ertain the element of a Solicitation, ie consideration given. imo Kyle’s “work” is a grandstander’s joke.
Rose says:
May 16, 2017 at 7:27 am
Kyle was about as veracious as our Celebrity President.
Thank God we have Trump as our “Celebrity President” and not Clinton or Sanders as our “Criminal President”
I missed my dear Rose’s comment above, sorry. I try very diligently to keep out of the Politicalsphere here as general discussion- nothing good can come of that, lol. But seriously, we certainly are going to differ in our political ideals whereby in other areas we can agree, as in, the case matter discussion here as we do in likely every aspect of our daily communications and do so respectfully. So I am posting your response in fairness and to address the issue going forward.
As my record here indicates, I was most especially not a fan of President Obama as our Nations leader, HOWEVER, as a US citizen I have made it my practice to vote, and if the individual elected was not my choice respected the process wholly never the less. Moreover, I always felt it was my obligation not to disparage the man in the oval office because like it or not, other people with the same rights as myself voted for him exercising their free will and what right did I have to usurp that? We all get one vote in a system we created and support. Is what it is. If Hillary Clinton had been elected, as hard as it would have been for me as a person who wrote her dissertation on Benghazi, received an award and the first perfect score in my school’s history in that particular class (according to my proff) I would be simultaneously supporting her and my fellow citizens choice as I have in the past. I am not sure I can effectively articulate what a herculean “ask” that would have been of me- but as God is my witness I would have found a way.
We are an imperfect democracy and an imperfect society made up of imperfect people and what I would really like folks to consider is that the more we highlight those issues publicly, the better terrorism groups hone their recruiting skills. This is fact. I have been embarrassed by President Trump’s public commentary at times, and I have been embarrassed by what I term his “opposers” public commentary but they all certainly enjoy the freedom of stating it.
It reminds me of something my beloved Mother used to call the tight white pantsuit. Makes me laugh every time I think of it. She used to say- “Oh that’s just a tight white pantsuit” scenario. Just because one CAN wear a tight white pantsuit, does not mean one SHOULD. Let’s not wear tight white pantsuits (any of us) on BOC please
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“The Multnomah County DA’s office referred the public records appeal to Clackamas County to avoid a conflict-of-interest.”
Has anyone ever seen this done before? A DA’s office referring a public records appeal to a different county due to a “conflict of interest”?
Conflict of interest between who? MCSO & MCDA?
Huh?
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/kyron-horman/grand-jury-hearing-evidence-in-kyron-horman-case-documents-reveal/440862217
I have never seen it before in any jurisdiction in a similar scenario- admittedly my work week did not allow for the level of review I need to speak intelligently. Every state has its own set of public info requests and appeals process some go directly to the AG, depending upon the exemption claimed, some directly to court. So far, the wording to me suggests that KGW is intent to let it stand and I doubt highly that is a surprise to anyone involved.
As an example- the file requested and the alleged potentially capital crime? It was never reported to Roseburg until Iboshi requested THEIR file. As an agency, what were MCSO burdens wrt to turning over that information to Roseburg in 2011 considering Terri was actually LIVING THERE then. We know O’Donnell sat in his explorer across the street at the time, lol. I say lol, but what I really mean is wtf has to occur to shed some transparency here?
We are talking about the same jurisdiction that county just outed yet another sheriff-
Look- there is (at this juncture) only one way to go after info nobody is ever releasing without a court order.
Financial audits assigned to the cases in each case. The public record on that is absolutely not exempt and it has been my experience inequity of same brings the people to county meetings which (you guessed it) is absolutely a barometer of public interest.
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I believe that was in reference to the driving routes outlined from June 3 and June 4th, and undisclosed CCTV, and as I recall some news station footage? All I can say is in my interviews of persons who are actual witnesses they were never asked for their images nor where they asked to view them from that day. I published an image (as you know) so I can definitely state as a fact these were not requested to date.
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Wow, that is f’n unbelievable! Someone needs to start collecting all photos of the science fair that day, make copies and then stick them on one of those photo sites (like that crankycrankerson had), and send a link to Kravfe.
Now I’m wondering if the school notified parents not to ever post photos of their kids’ work from that day, because I found it odd as heck that there never were any braggings put out there by parents of their child’s hard work.