Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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So did TH call the DEA and not local LE?
This is what she told me directly and it was confirmed through deposition of more than one party. It should be noted that as a rule such tips are kept confidential and if they are part of a prob cause warrant, the identity of the individual is referred to (usually) in docs as CI 1 or identified only by initials if in fact they end up part of the probe or witness. Every state has a different way of dealing with illegal substance investigations- for the most part it is dictated by the quantity and want/need distribution element.
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Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron’s teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
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The part about “another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point”.
We now know from TMH that she and Kyron also went to his former kindergarten teacher’s room, so my guess is that is whom Shelby is referring to here, MacBeth. So my quetion is on June 5, the day after Kyron went missing, no other teacher (including Matthews), had come forward and reported seeing Kyron on June 4?
Beyond odd.
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the best thing to me about the whole natl political thing
is I have found so many brilliant journalists to follow and read.
I follow so many gifted journalists now
on twitter but subscribe to prints (digital version),
none of them in Oregon.
Thats excellent- but do you use that intelligence-based reading pallet to peruse opposing viewpoints?
Also o/t: cannot cover it but Cosby has been unbelievable. Mistake not to put him on the side, imo, but 6 of one 1/2 doz of the other scenario.
xo
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repeating TRuth’s Q: Why is Desiree secretive,
not transparent, about her “time zone” of interest.
Because disclosing it would reflect how ridiculous the concept is/was and all the ways such a scenario is voided by logic and evidence. Lastly- for it to even matter, Kyron would have had to have left with her, which she knows he did not.
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here is something I do not understand at all.
Why didn’t B Keefer call an all staff mtg on Sat am, project Kyron’s pic, & say all who saw him between 8:35 and10 am raise yr hands. Then dismiss the rest and map out in group who saw kyron, with whom & when/where and get a bldg travelogue & timeline. If she were’t weird and scared, Mathew’s story should’ve been elicited Sat am by her principal, alleviating a lot of that initial Search OT.
Absolutely in the hands of LE at that point, and protection from liability or negligence.
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9t few brilliant journalists agree with each other
or have the same pov. It’s like watching brilliant
trial lawyers (ie Houze) or surgeons. People who truly
practice the profession well. most don’t editorialize. just the facts maam.
which rules out folks like nbc Kelly’s current interviewee. One thing I don’t
like is cable news modern method have having panels of talking heads each
trying to outdo at being commentary nincompoops.
That’s not journalism. Btw on nor I heard a journalist historian discuss his new
book on the battle for Hue. When Cronkite, who’d supported
the war & the President, realized Westmoreland was lying, he flew over to Hue
land landed in the midst of the street fighting to ascertain the truth. That was a WWII
journalist for risking his life at the height of his TV fame to fact find independently.
IMO Stanford is an infotainer (not journalist), but he has a few tidbits about Portland. The problem with infotainers is you can’t believe anything. Themes are there: coked up politicians. Corrupt cops allied with criminals.
http://www.oregonlive.com/history/2017/04/bad_cops_and_worse_mayors_phil.html
http://crimefeed.com/2017/06/30728/
most vices have been taken over by the State.
The big scams now are manipulation of city & state codes.
https://sites.google.com/site/theresagriffinkennedy/interview-with-journalist-phil-stanford ”
“…that wasn’t really what started the investigation. What finally started the investigation was one of the SID cop snitches got caught in Idaho, I guess it was, selling pills. And of course he gave up the cop he was working with. That cop gave up another cop and pretty soon, it got to the point where the DA’s office had a problem!”
“…one of their snitches was selling drugs and got caught in Idaho! And that’s what they were doing! That’s a big problem because that means there’s a lot of money coming in and it means they’re selling–the narcotics squad is selling drugs. And I also believe they were sending the money up too, in time honored fashion. And what they did was to let the–this certain number of those cops resign in exchange for confessing to falsified search warrant affidavits and plant drugs on criminals, which half the population expects them to do anyway! It was nothing and they walked away from it ….”
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When Isee “code manioulation,” I think commercial develooer.
Iirc Kantor was an investor partner of a commercial developer.
And, politicians rely on them for campaign donations.
profiles a number of real estate developers, at least one of whomknows how to coopt reporters: http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-7606-hydro-hogs.html
timings. Briede’s employer of 13 yrs summarily fired him in late June 2009.
https://casetext.com/case/briede-v-24-hour-fitness-usa
One wonders if the April 2009 DEA report by Terri of her
husband’s gym-sited steroid purchases played a role? I
always wondered why Kaine put “the Wall” on Briede’s property
Odd commercial site for a memorial.
Yup.
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Pitkin was a journalist, he went to the scenes firsthand and interviewed all relevant parties. He involved himself in stories and “created” them too tho, ie street gun purchases. kyle is in Bucket No 2, an infotainer. He goes to the scene, but facts are irrelevant. He cherry picks what supports his entertainment storyline. Bucket 3 has folks like Jacquiss and Bernstein. Mostly their fine stories come in by email from a “source” like Riddell or a govt employee who sends something their way.
I think stacey keeps saying Rose is Terri because she has told her followers Terri reads her Facebook although she knows Terri does not read her Facebook. She also thinks her followers will stick around if they think Terri is posting on a site that they could read. Its pretty obvious Rose is not Terri since Rose has a grown daughter As well as a totally different lifestyle from Terri. Stacey’s followers are so brain dead they actually think that they are talking to Terri as well as Kyron when they comment on Soldiers Facebook.
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1. There are over 180K comments on this site, over 500 articles covering over 9 years of ranging topics. At no time have I ever allowed the subject of any of them to post as someone else, or “not” post in their own name. It’s a hard rule for me, no exceptions. As you also know, I do not even allow multiple “hats”. I don’t allow posters to change their hats without permission and then acknowledgement. There are both ethical and legal reasons for that.
2. I realize your post intends to defend Rose and shed light on some truly silly and trivial statements but honestly, as I think it is done to garner attention of any kind in the first place. If it is ok with you, I would rather we simply ignore it. The integrity of BOC speaks for itself, imo.
Thanks cd.
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“Stacey Morris Yep, that too. I have 5 beautiful grandkids, I would move heaven and earth for them. Speaks volumes to who raised this monster. They helped create all of this. They do not deserve to be in that little girls life at all!!”
https://www.facebook.com/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers-161645780592018/
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Stacey Morris has a lot of nerve saying anything about The elder Moultens. Stacey’s two children turned out to be murderer’s when they killed a Canby Oregon teen execution style in his own home. They are still in prison for their crime. Stacey supports them in prison and visits them regularly. Talk about someone who raised 2 monsters. What a Hypocrite !
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2009/04/canby_man_gets_40_years_in_rob.html
2009 was the same year SJ Motors was created as a front for the steroid operation.
Business Started Locally: 11/09/2006
Business Incorporated: 03/18/2009 in OR
https://www.bbb.org/oregon/business-reviews/auto-dealers-used-cars/s-j-motors-inc-in-portland-or-22729756
As part of their operation, the pair created SJ Motors, Inc. to “create a front for their drug-trafficking and money laundering activity,” court documents said.
http://katu.com/news/local/feds-portland-drug-ring-was-importing-steroids-from-china
Yes’m.
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Briede’s overt litigious revenge for his firing was directed at 24 Hr’s owner.
How about covert revenge? Did he know KH’s wife was responsible
for reportong steroid sales on the property he managed? Imo there is no way
24 coukd’ve fired him so swiftly without his suing them over
that (an employment contract cause of action) unless
24 had reasonable information he was aware of said sales. No wonder he went to
the gullible local reporters with a story she tried to kidnap her dau & was banned in
future from premises. I suppose a donor of water at the command ctr coukd pick up a lot of info
from grateful water drinkers wrt progress of investigation.
@erose. so associated steroid etc sales went back to Nov 06 anyway.
Stanford says coke-using portland politians were active in 70s, and Cogen was a tolerated known user in the 2000s. I think steroids was the least of it covered up locally by LE, elected officials, & media. And Terri’s report to a FEDERAL (not State, County or City) threatened all that. And often dependent users will do anything to keep their supply from interruption.
I thot then FBI Balizan was supposed
to be Mr Drug Case by work history.
2010 = big fail imo. Back to why did
Reese hire him? He had no job hx on
point with current position. It was not enough
mgmtwise to say he was a fbi field office head.
Such a job hx would predict a stay in private LE as he first
did, not be a bizexpert over 9 depts.
And Reese removed that as a Chief Deputy
inhouse position which given the Corrections
part of the budget it should be an internal
promotion from the Corrections business
cone as it previously was.
Thanks cd. And Blink for repeating yr policies. Likely why commenters trust you. I chose to ignore Soldier bcz I think there is underlying psychosis where Soldier identifies one person as another (ie Rose = Terri), but it merely is role modeling on her Dear Leader’s in all seriousness anthropormorphizing Terri as “The Devil.” Who/which is where the problem lies. such psychotics will rapidly turn on a Dear Leader who disavows them & use the same tools on a former subject of admiration (Fatal Attraction style). So DY has in a sense created her own jeopardy from Soldier. I see no diff between Soldier’s FB rants and the psychotic FB statements of yesterday’s Cap Hill shooter, except Soldier is probably worse and has less of a realistic foundation.
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Society needs to clean psychotics posting desth threats on FB pages like this up.
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OT the federal mental hosp I worked at had any number of “White House cases,” people, often vets injured in past wars, and often schizophrenic as well, who came to DC with a gun (or tractor) to assault the President. imo some were simply suicidal, and I remember one who was thot to be “burnt out” who upon release did slit his wrists. There are many unheard of over the decades tried and confined as White House cases, at least in the 60s-80s. Other succeeded and were confined like Hinkley. Yesterday was not an anomaly but reflects budgetary cut backs to police, community mental heath, and increases in social media hate sites accessed by the mentally ill–like Pizzagate.
@cd. it is not confusion. not propaganda to followers.
It is psychotic thinking plain & simple.
timing. Shane & Britt indicted Nov 2013. Cogen resigns Sept 2013. Bucket 3 type reporters (those who spit out govt source info) were detailing Cogen’s transgressions whilst the “steroid” GJ was at work on “the Ring.” Personally I don’t think marijuana and steroids were the limits of associates’ drug dealing.
@cd. when did (mo/yr) the Morris 2 commit murder in Canby?
I dont recall their ladt names to look it up.
You know Canby was an epicenter of the drug trade? involving LE.
I’m interested in timing.
I found it cd
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2009/04/canby_man_gets_40_years_in_rob.html
timing no tie in.
just sociopathic meth users.
first felony conviction age 18.
who knows how many as juvies.
Well that depends. Jack Shane was in control of the company in 2006 and looks like he was a sole proprietor, but when SJ Motors incorporated in 2009, Britt Landon was an officer.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1212012&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1374585&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
They were both under indictment, but the indictment seems to want to “start the clock” so to speak in Jan. 2008. (Let me know what you think wrt timeline.)
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/NOV%2014%20REDACTED%20Indictment%20copy.pdf
Rose says:
June 15, 2017 at 10:05 am
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@erose. so associated steroid etc sales went back to Nov 06 anyway.
If this is literal (meaning SJ Motors is incorporated) post the proprietorship then timeline is closer to 2008/2009. Totally agree with Terri pissing off local LE by calling in the feds, and I can see local LE taking it out on her, but why take it out on KH? I mean they seem so chummy, at least post-abduction.
page 6
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It was part of the conspiracy that defendants SHANE JACK and LANDON BRITT created and registered SJ Motors, Inc. as a Domestic Business Corporation with the State of Oregon, so as to create a front for their drug-trafficking and money laundering activity.
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/NOV%2014%20REDACTED%20Indictment%20copy.pdf
Blink, About N.W. on the indictment, (weren’t we trying to figure this out eons ago) it is listed at an address of 15905 NE 27th Circle Vancouver. That address is attributed to Nancy Weston.
https://nuwber.com/person/563a412105a684fe71a5324f
She is tied to a Thomas C Weston (age 74) with addresses in Roseburg, Sacramento, etc. FWIW.
http://www.publicrecords360.com/people-search/weston/thomas/c
It has been a hell of a long week. I feel like I am in full deja vue mode on this topic so you are probably right but from memory only- there’s another with the last name W that comes to mind-
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Looks like Thomas Weston from Roseburg isn’t alive. He seems to be tied to NW from the indictment. (ex, brother, father???)
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On November 22nd, at about 1700 hours, the victim contacted the Sheriff’s Office to report her boyfriend, Thomas Weston, had shot at her with a handgun when she attempted to get some of her property from their residence.
Deputies attempted to contact Weston at his residence on Cattle Drive but got no response. Additional law enforcement personnel were called. Attempts to contact Weston were not successful.
The Douglas County Sheriff’s Office Tactical Response Team responded to the residence. At about midnight, the tactical team made entry into the residence and found Weston deceased from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
http://www.dcso.com/view_media_N.asp?Media_ID=70
Rose says:
June 15, 2017 at 4:32 pm
@cd. when did (mo/yr) the Morris 2 commit murder in Canby?
I dont recall their ladt names to look it up.
You know Canby was an epicenter of the drug trade? involving LE.
I’m interested in timing.
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Looks like the news article says June 4, 2008 and the names are below.
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For the third time, Stipe’s mother, Maureen Miltenberger sat in Clackamas County Circuit Judge Robert D. Herndon’s courtroom and read a statement explaining how her life shattered on June 4, 2008.
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OREGON CITY — David Reed Stipe died from four bullets fired into the back of his head during an ill-planned robbery last summer.
Brandon Michael Adams, the man who fired the gun, was sentenced today to at least 40 years in prison for killing Stipe and burglarizing the Mulino house where Stipe died.
Adams, 22, of Canby, also pleaded guilty to being a felon in possession of a firearm. He was convicted of burglary and identity theft in 2005.
Two others involved in the robbery-murder — Adams’ half-sister, Vanessa Evelyn Morris, and Nestor David Diaz-Miller — pleaded guilty last year and were sentenced to 17 1/2 years and 25 years respectively.
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2009/04/canby_man_gets_40_years_in_rob.html
In reading the indictment, it looks like Britt Landon was the only one indicted for crimes beginning in 2006, then Jack Shane and Stoltenberg and NW began in Jan. 2008. So, wonder who KH knew, or was it Briede. Did SJ sell Land Rovers? And when did Mike Cook move to town?
Extreme Motorsports shipped packages starting in 2013.
No included in the indictment? Why? Cooperation? Is this how the whole car events ties into this?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-boutwell-4396592a
Convoluted for sure, but in a nutshell, Hollibuagh’s (named in the steroid indictment) attempted killer Cedric E Dirty Burton is part of LA based gang and was jailed for rendering assistance to another murder. Tough group.
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Federal agents allege Brad Hollibaugh accepted packages of drugs that were shipped by FedEx between April and August 2013. The charges were filed in Oregon in November.
Hollibaugh was the intended target of an attempted downtown car attack in November 2009, according to previous reports. A known gang member, Cedric E. “Dirty” Burton, was cleared of attempted murder charges in the case but was found guilty of second-degree assault and sentenced to at least three years in prison in August 2010.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/mar/22/bodybuilder-faces-federal-drug-charges/
Witnesses testified that they were celebrating the birthday of Brad Hollibaugh, a world-class bodybuilder, on Nov. 21 when the bars closed and the group exited into a nearby parking lot. Burton backed his blue Camaro into Jacob Schreiber, who said he had to put his hands on the car to steady himself.
Burton and another man got out of the car and began to verbally spar with Schreiber.
Hollibaugh “jumped in front of me, and there were words exchanged,” Schreiber said. “Brad told them to get back in their car. They did. Then they started revving their engine … and went towards us.”
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/aug/26/gang-member-guilty-of-assault/
Three men charged with rendering criminal assistance and conspiracy – cousins Eric “Smalls” Burton, Jr.., 25; Cedric E. “Dirty” Burton, 23; and James C. Henderson, 33 – are in jail. Eric Burton and Henderson were arrested Wednesday night; Spokane detectives traveled to Los Angeles last month to arrest Cedric Burton on unrelated charges.
Police say most of the men are cousins and members of a Compton, Calif.-based gang. Los Angeles detectives are helping local police in the search.
The shooting was the result of a rivalry between two generations of Spokane gang members, police said. Williams may not have been the original target.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/03/seven-charged-january-gang-murder/
Drugs including alcohol along with ignorance will destroy a community. A large city is comprised of many neighborhoods (communities),some of which allow and encourage bad behavior. This is what we have in all the major cities across the country. It is more concentrated in the West Coast cities.
When these bad values invade the government organizations, then we soon have tyranny against the people. Or, as we have witnessed recently, we have both tyranny and anarchy created by those who wish to control the people via overreach of law (tyranny) or the opposite of no law (anarchy) by those who willfully destroy property or people in order to get attention or make a statement.
Drug money is the prime mover of bad behavior in our criminal justice systems. This is found in Portland, Oregon the same as found in cities and towns along the border with Mexico.
O/T
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2017/06/jury_returns_true_life_sentenc.html
Jaime Tinoco-Camarena for the first time expressed remorse Thursday to the family of the woman he stabbed to death when he was 17.
Tinoco-Camarena, now 20, stood at the front of a Washington County courtroom between his two attorneys as Circuit Judge Kirsten Thompson asked if he had any statements before she formally sentenced him to life in prison without parole.
He held his hands down below his waist in front of him, his mouth twitching.
“I ask for forgiveness,” Tinoco-Camarena said. He then sat down.
In recorded interviews with investigators played during the six-day trial, Tinoco-Camarena said repeatedly that he didn’t regret killing 29-year-old Nicole Laube in August 2014 as she worked at a Cedar Mill apartment complex across the street from his home.
He hadn’t known Laube, stabbed her randomly and intended to rape her before she screamed, he told detectives.
(snipped, more @link)
I suspect there is some unknown activity accompanying this guy- voyeurism, public exposure and the like. Clinically, there has to be a great deal “wrong” at that age to randomly murder someone with the intent to rape.
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erose says: June 16, 2017 at 1:26 am The indictment says:
“so as to create a front for their drug-trafficking and
money laundering activity” So, drugs & money laundering
predated 3/19/09. Wonder what local lawyer did the Inc. paperwork for them…
Interesting TH called DEA the month after incorporation. She told them KH bought
his product in gym premises. One supposes DEA might’ve talked to the
gym manager about that report if dealing was happening on the premises.
But that doesn’t sound right bcz he got fired 2 mos later,
and he wouldn’t himself tell gym owner the bad mgmt news.
If instead of the mgr the DEA contacted the CA owner,
that suggests DEA suspected the mgr might be involved. Didn’t take long to get fired.
He was very very angry imo bcz he took over 24 Hr’s space and hired their
employees and set up a competitive business and sued in Oct 2010..
One wonders if his L Oswego home, plane, hot expensive car all came from gym mgr’s salary?
It was CA Corp hdqtrs who terminated him. I was trying to find his lawyer. That was a pretty
extreme step and suggests more than on premises steroid sales by someone else.which hadn’t even been fully investigated yet. http://or.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20101021_0000484.DOR.htm/qx
@erose. Iirc MC’s ex wrote his drug of choice
in that time period was coke. He wasn’t known
for physical fitness then. He traveled
to CA & Las Vegas in his job (iirc mounting Expo show
product demos) so coukd’ve bought it anywhere not
necessarily Portland.
more likely LE used MC as an informant with Terri rather than Kaine bcz LE
had the drug (coke use) hold over him.
Good Q erose of yours: who introduced Landon (who had the steroid expertise dating to 2006), to the other 3 who joined and ramped up the criminal enterprise in 2008–probably offering their money laundering expertise. Bet it wasn’t the first time engaging in the latter. I see a lawyer type or mob associated type making the introductions.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/03/seven-charged-january-gang-murder/
Hollibaugh, apparently a Spokane resident, seems pretty brave (in a braggaocio manner) and pretty stupid
to tangke with Cedric bcz apparently all of Spokane –the types who close down bars –knew 2 rival highly dangerous gangs frequented thesame bars and routinely engaged in murderous violence.
title FB pic, gun in hand https://m.facebook.com/brad.hollibaugh.9/
Mr BH is doing better than ever. appears to have same bodybldg associates
and activities, just way more financially successful.
even opening a new Spokane gym.
So much for the Wash State US attorney’s office.
It’s for sure this is not SZ https://m.facebook.com/pg/Train-Asylum-748327548663441/posts/
because what a memorable body. would have to associate in a really small subculture
idealizing this type physique, or have a really distorted body image, to think it attractive.
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2017/06/jury_returns_true_life_sentenc.html My gut reaction from TRuth’s except was he had schizophrenia. So I go to the article, feel it’s more likely than not when seeing he punched a Yourh Corrections officer, and there it is in the last sentence. The govt knew before he commented either rape or murder and left him untreated while in juvenile. liberals are something in Oregon, esp apparently his Judge handling him in juvenike Court and whoever wrote his Court report then. . Probably has a voice commanding him. Never a more egregious case of inneffective assisstance of counsel. No mental illness defenze attempt; no request he be medicated. And the “investigation tapes” made over 6days of questioning shoukd never have come in. Rotten Judge (unprofessional, unethical) here too.
I definitely agree that this individual was likely misdiagnosed and probably undiagnosed – fairly common in that setting given his age when the guidelines and evals favor manifestations over a successive period of years and ages he likely had not reached. Overall the adolescent mental and behavioral staff of such facilities are often grossly understaffed and even then- some of the more severe Dx require a level of specificity the Psychiatrists (if they even have MD’s) do not have. To your point I missed the last line- but given the facts I was ware of in the case, and applying my knowledge of similar profiles and profiled offenses it would have been at the top of my list- but to include or exclude the Dx of paranoid (auditory or visual hallucinations).
I’m sure I mentioned this before but it bears repeating- once one has studied the behavioral profile of a paranoid schizo offender and accompanying crime scenes- one will know one immediately at onset. I am not qualified to administer the testing and Dx of this type of offender of course, but I could not come up with an example of a similar individual and circumstances that has ever been successfully rehabilitated or that I would want left in society at the mercy of voluntary meds. We already had 2 innocent victims, the only way to protect society here is to institutionalize this guy, unfortunately. On this one I have to agree with the State- although it is certainly shameful proper intervention did not have an affect.
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be interesting for mcso to ask themselves what males in SZ’s age
range living in a 5 mi radius of Skyline were charged with a sex
crime the year after his disappearance, whether or not cinvicted.
I have seriously high hopes that all areas of investigative track in that regard have been evaluated and continue to be.
There are/were significant occurrences in the Scappoose area right around the same time I am familiar with, and of course the Fanno Creek. I said then and I say now, it is highly probable they have come across SZ and didn’t know it.
And an example of such failures still lies with the Adam Brown debacle. I am referring to his lack of supervision which apparently is still off limits as a public info request. Wth is up with that?
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lawyer tried http://koin.com/2016/03/01/document-tinoco-confesses-to-killing-nicole-laube/
twitching mouth? was probably talking to his voices.
probably medicated at OSU before his
State eval. probably that’s were the March
investigatory tapes were made.
Apparently OR has a Guilty but Mentally Ill verdict. It seems to come down to which side has the burden of proof intge State. People confuse this verdict with Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity. http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/the-insanity-defense-among-the-states.html
To me it’s not a defense but a verdict choice box if a case for chronic MI has been put on. imo should be reserved for violent crimes. should receive commitment for life with lessor privileges requiring adjudication hearing (like Hinkley),
The Hinkley case changed the face of the NG by reason of insanity (or any other similar permutation) forever.
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apparently OSU is overburdend bcz OR allows this
verdict for minor property damage and simple assaults.
judges & juries more likely to allow it with minor crimes rather than murder.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/02/the_high_price_of_oregons_insa.html
very kid-oriented Edge in Wilsonville
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=450793941921431&substory_index=0&id=188088151525346&__tn__=%2As
NGRI differs from Guilty But Insane, as does the burden of proof from State to State for either.
Hinkley was a rare success for a white young adult who looks OK on the outside, but has psychotic thinking
internally while not articulating positive signs of schizophrenia (ie command hallucinations). Imo he was successful only bcz St Elizabeths DC Federal hospital had an outstanding forensic dept with lots of experience with White House cases. My guess is the young man in Oregon is a paranoud schizaphrenic.
The last sentence said he carried the diagnosis of schizophrenia. The point of a Guilty But Insane verdict is that at sentencing Judges shoukd know in the case of a violent offender, the sentence should be commitment to a locked forensic hospital for life. If staff want a reduction (ie an hour walk on grounds) they have to go before a Judge. Would’ve accomplished the same result for the State, but with medication & some modicum of safety for those he sleeps or walks near. Some paranoud schizaphrenics do “burn out” in old age.
In a general sense, the problem with the issue is statutory vs enforcement. What is punishment for some can change to cruel and unusual- and I am not at all sure we (as a society) have a true beat on the whole mental illness/criminal act associations in the first place.
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Egregious Brown case.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/accused_wendys_attacker_adam_l.html
Not adjudicated as committed to the forensic dept of the State Hospital (ngri or GbutMI) but to the State prison
which followed regular parole guidelines. Failure was 1) his sentence term, 2) paroling him, 3) failure to supervise. Boy vic shoukd’ve sued State Parole Board and State’s post-parole supervision dept.
I would love to weigh in- but after reading Schrunk’s denial based on anticipation of litigation (um, read the order, he contradicts more than once) I don’t feel I have the facts at hand.
http://mcda.us/wp-content/files_mf/13528482231214.pdf
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Rose, Thank you for he response to the timeline. You’re right about MC’s drug of choice. FWIW, there were additional charges of pot and oxy and hydrocodone in the indictment along with a Seattle contact.
re ” I don’t feel I have the facts at hand.” Since
I relied on an O story, assuredly I don’t either.
lol.
I think there is a great deal to be learned from the Adam Brown case- I am not understanding why no journalist has picked it up.
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