Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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Yes, opiods were found in Happy Valley apt. Supposedly gateway drugs to heroin. Hear very little in Portland media or from Govt institutions there about heroin. Despite the emergency cross-country and proximity to Asian sellers via shipping channels.
@ erose. maybe Cook, Cogen and Kitz hung out on the
same street corner in 2010.
re “lol.
I think there is a great deal to be learned from the Adam Brown case- I am not understanding why no journalist has picked it up.
B”
phil standford being let go by the O was like Pitkin & WW. iirc he was looking atState prison system corruprion at the tome tbru the lens of a murdered chief. Imo the political State machine does not want prison system to meet a press investigation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Stanford I doubt Bernstein’s ambition is freelance writing on a Florida beach.
ot good article by Jacquiss. this is what Staton wanted at the jail
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/10/the-feds-persuaded-oregon-to-scrap-its-exploitive-prison-phone-contract-until-the-state-decided-it-needed-the-money/
ot there is a great investigative local reporter korn
2012 http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/109415-welcome-to-heroin-city
http://blog.oregonlive.com/myoregon/2011/05/trib_reporter_peter_korn_write.html
2008 fellowship at usc https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.org/users/peter-korn
http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/investigative-reporter-turns-critical-eye-to-oregons-for-profit-colleges/
So I guess he can’t write on kyron from the persoective of
investigating mcso/da/pps as it would step on Trib colleagues’ toes?
who claim that turf?
that Congressman’s shooter who made use of FB may be a gamechanger for Terri.
imo her Calif gun expert attorney shoukd write FB with evidence if
1) years of Admin death threats to Terri & inciting followers to threaten and assault her
2) years of telking followers where she can be found physically from address to appointments to jobs and
urging followers to go there and take action…combined with both internet & physical stalking
3) telling people she killed a young child in the absence of any LE action or evidence (Pizzagate)
Latest example last night under where are you supporting kyron from? excuse to publish Terri’s whereabout this week & plan online for a Jessica Conn to be present.
Likely after Alexandria FB will not only close her acct but report to Fed authorities, or CA State authorities.
ot “As the former news editor of Salem-News.com, I wrote and published many stories about Oregon prison corruption, many of which clearly stem from racist practices within the DOC. I have written extensively about those inside the DOC who attempted to expose the agency’s extraordinarily corruption.”
http://ahtribune.com/human-rights/847-oregon-michael-francke.html
I can’ttell if this squirrelly publication is alt left or right, & it’s not worth trying, but the writer is local, knows the DOC, & synthesizes what is probably Stanford’s work. This case has preoccupied Stanford since 1994 when the O fired him for his investigation.
Frink puts the lie to representations of the necessity of a body:
“”There’s no big deal about prosecuting a homicide when no body is present. It happens all the time,” said Frink, chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County.” http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/without-body-state-must-prove-death/article_e82bdb51-9746-504f-aef1-c02d28565619.html
That guy.
It should be noted that Courtney was not prosecuted until he gave up the body location and remains in 2009- so much for Frink’s premise. It should also be noted that as Kyron was last seen with an unidentified male who did not have any custodial rights to him, it should have been pretty easy to indict a John Doe and seal it until such time as he is identified- occurs in Fed court (John Doe) all the time. The truth is, to date, Kyron’s “absence” is the only evidence they have of a potential crime, and testimony of whom he was last seen exiting the building with.
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Why didn’t Rees and Moawad indict John Doe in year one?
My sense is that they did not believe they had a completed investigation- I was offering the option in context that if all other evidence was in place (etc) it was a possibility (if we believe Frink’s assertion).
B
If Kyron was last seen exiting a building with an unknown man (i.e., John Doe), doesn’t that indicate a crime? I mean, John Doe never came forward and said something like *oh, that was me who asked Kyron for help, and I never saw him again*, right? So he is unknown, i.e., a stranger. There was a strange abduction then, which constitutes a crime, yes? How do we know there wasn’t a sealed indictment for said John Doe, and they simply believe (beyond all reason at this point perhaps)that John Doe is an instrument of TMH’s.
Sometimes I just still feel this is a result of nothing more than MCSO acting in the best interest of PPS. “If not Terri, then who?”, points directly back to PPS’s negligence. As far as I’m concerned it does anyway though, because no matter who took this child, they were negligent in their duties to protect him, not even following their own protocols.
Why are the new billboards (I haven’t seen any personally yet) still using the old Kyron image, instead of the new updated 14 year old Kyron?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/26/fbi-runs-digital-billboards-in-case-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman.html
It says in the article this billboard image was from the FBI. This case suffers from a whole lot of dysfunction on all levels.
Oh my.
B
benjamin Wirtschafter = ’86 Reed College grad. Sigh.
Awful.
B
“If not Terri, then who?” demonstrates the utmost ignorance in a
policeman given multiple eyewitnesses to an unknown male.
Fwiw, investigatively it is an improper technique to arrive at a hypothesis on the onset.
Feel free to nominate me for today’s captain obvious award
B
recent pic of wirtschafter
http://reunions.reed.edu/class_photos/2016.html
I favor the 2 spring chickens in shirts myself.
So much for Clackamas deputies, & Cty atty coverup when sued.
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2017/06/kaiser_doctor_singled_out_blac.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home_pop
I keep being disappointed at low$ suits.
Defense attys must know Oregon juries won’t pay out black plaintiffs
much, esp when versing white professionals, so just
don’t jeopardize the verdict by asking more.
At least deputy had the sex right, unlike Terri.
So if its ok with you- just wanted to touch on the Flormo murder (Davilla suspect) which was the next article down from a criminal offender and sentencing/appellate perspective. In this instance, imo, as much as it pains me to say it because I understand and agree with the Judge’s motivation, the sentence of that defendant as a juvenile was outside of the guidelines (deviation) and currently against OR statute. A 16 year old committing that crime in that way is not rehabilitatable in the first place, on that I would agree wholly- however, the law does not, and that is why the court will keep seeing this case remanded back again and again. Judges cannot legislate, they can only apply the law.
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T.Ruth
I agree that the FBI did not do a logical job in posting the age progressed photo on the billboard. IMO, the 7 year old photo should have been included. If someone saw Kyron at age seven and then the aged photo as a comparison, it could trigger a memory response by someone that could be helpful.
Judges are not supposed to legislate from the bench and are supposed to interpret the applicable statues for the case before them. However, we do have judges at all levels who write opinions that amount to legislation. Clear to and including the Supreme Court (one John Roberts regarding the affordable care act to save Obama’s health care bill)as an example.
That whole piece of legislation was done in an unconstitutional manner.
http://m.newsroom.courts.ca.gov/search?t=judicial+profile&page=3
Judicial Profile: Benjamin Z. Wirtschafter
February 10, 2017 | NewsLinks
(Subscription required) On a recent stroll around this town of 12,000, Judge Benjamin Wirtschafter couldn’t go more than half a block without someone wanting to stop and chat.
Categories: CA Superior Courts
Seems he was previously a City Council member.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/363746-243951-principals-call-on-pps-board-member-paul-anthony-to-resign
And the PPS saga and dysfunction goes on and on and on and on………all at the expense of the taxpayers and more importantly….the children.
Seems like someday all this should come to head and just boil over, spilling all the yuk and muck within.
Probably just me, but some of the language and antics of these “professionals” are akin to 4th grade actions and vocabulary. These are the people teaching our children? Gosh all mighty.
Definitely not just you. Wth happened to professional and respectful discourse? Moreover, in a public service position, it continues to boggle my mind how anyone thinks they are above transparency. Add to that if you are going to post public commentary, you better believe anyone with an interest will have the right to review private communications regarding same. Where is the example to the children they are supposed to be serving ultimately?
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Someone should ask this Board member to investigate Skyline principal & staff’s noncompliance with PPS policies and procedures which enabled kyron to be abducted from a classroom with teacher permission.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/363746-243951-principals-call-on-pps-board-member-paul-anthony-to-resign
His flaw is he didn’t realize everything he texts etc re pps is a public record. But he is covered wrt Sordyl & docs bcz in Dec ff she’s on State Board of Ed. Nice touch filing a civil rights suit against his own District for disparity in black access to courses offered at predominantly white schools. Wrt complaining principals, the proof is in the pudding. If he is made Board chair, dysfunctional employees will start working real hard imo. and maybe Legal dept will reveal to him details of the abduction coverup.
T.Ruth posted this link also- I agree with both of your viewpoints.
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ot Well imo P Anthony is right, tho coarse in what he erroneously thot private communications with a political ally. Weekly the papers are full of egregiously dysfunctional principals (put on leave and paid for years without working) and administrators there, cronyism, bizarre private nobid contracts-the “equity” one is a particularly dreadful one as a nobid milksop to diversity–and the no 2 Lopez and the legal dept take the cake. Admin’s focus is on many things–mostly their & cronys take home $–while failing to provide an excellent education for all students. Hopefully with a Board majority this summer poorly performing administrators will retire. That is whythis happened of course–the change on the Board to hold Looez, HR, & principals accountable. They, Amy K and Pam K, pps legal with tveir exhorbitant use of milker-nash firm (which just gave pps legal chief from
the kyron era til recently) and the many small biz owners getting nobid contracts now–will fight accountability as dirty as they have to.
OT this isn’t rare. I remembe Schrunk doing the same thing to a judge after Ky’s abduction: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/06/da_says_judge_cant_be_fair_and.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home Rod blames Judge his ADS are so disorganized and cavalier about judge’s expectationsthat they cant get to hearings & settlement confs when scheduled, and objects to use of a dui treatment program the judiciary & his office set up. this is an indication the DA thinks the bench shoukd be deferential to the DA Office. And it is. When the DA says jump, nan waller has always done so.
How would things differ if Porter had recorded Kyron absent on 6/4 when her class reported back at 10 am and a volunteer said “Where’s kyron?” If Porter had asked S Hall to touch base with mother to see if he left with her?
SZ woukd’ve had a 45 min head start. Maybe the principal woukd’ve paged kyron on the school speaker when mother replied he’s at school. Maybe mathews woukd’ve replied she’d sent him outside with a man–but probably not. Terri woukd’ve rushed back. Keefer, Hall, Porter, Mathews all played a dereliction of duty role.
I believe he was marked absent then, Rose. The issue here is at the very least- negligence. Plenty of that to go around, imo, but definitely on behalf of Porter and Matthews as individuals. Ultimately, the blame here is on the person or persons who abducted this child, and are responsible for whatever happened to him. That said, duty of care is duty of care and if it had been exercised properly (you know the old “but for” test) Kyron would not have gone missing June 4 2010.
B
If Kyron was marked absent then it was PPS who first blamed TH.
I would say I agree with that, but not PPS as an “institution.” It was Porter who has openly admitted that she believed Kyron left with Terri to attend a Dr. appt for Kitty. You read that correctly. Porter marked him absent, she says she did so because she believed Terri took him with her to Kitty’s Dr. appt (which had been the day before). This was learned as Kaine and Terri arrived to the school and Kyron’s jacket and backpack are discovered in his classroom.
I was told that this exchange caused Terri to become irate and her body language toward Porter “was such” that an individual stepped in between her and Porter. It is my understanding this results in the second call to Desiree (from Terri) that DY mentioned on occasion. It is a fair and safe assumption that through this exchange of words it was clear that at the time, the Horman’s blamed the school (Porter) for losing track of Kyron in the morning.
I want to sharpen the point on how negligent that was- in her court deposition, Porter openly admitted NOBODY ever told her Kitty had a Dr. appt that day (6/4), but when Terri told her that during Kitty’s appointment on 6/3 she scheduled the evaluation for Kyron on 6/11 which she would need her feedback to include. ( please recall my self correct on this- there were no papers exchanged, just a request for Porter’s observations as appropriate via email, which they exchanged on a frequent basis). In addition, it should be noted that Terri emailed Porter that afternoon after returning from the gym and while she was uploading the science fair pics asking about whether or not the Red Tree Frog project needed to picked up that afternoon. She never responded. I view this as the second missed opportunity to realize that Kyron was not with Terri.
Circling back here as there are a few moving parts to this sequence of events- at no time had Terri EVER removed Kyron from school to attend any Dr. appts for Kitty, nor was there any conversation of same.
B
Well, Porter obviously never had young children then or could put herself in their shoes. What mother when school is in session woukd not welcome the babysitting relief while she took an active 2 y old to the doctor if there had been an appointment? Otherwise, she’d make it at 4 pm one day. And what mother would leave his things there (I bet to inckude a lunch)? On the other hand imo Porter just confabulated when confronted, embroidering around a free association. I don’t think she really thot that thru the day or any good teacher woukd’ve had the office call mothee to at 10 am verify. imo Kaine was untruthful with the public allowing a “doctor’s apotmt” Porter fable to be widely disseminated and unrefuted for a really long time til he had kiara secured.
Jeez. So many FAILS that fateful day as well as the days following.
Couple of questions:
When did Terri tell Porter about Kyron’s appointment of 6/11 and request subsequent input from Porter, was it on 6/3 afternoon, or 6/4 morning?
(If I already asked this and got an answer, forgive me.)
Also, who, if anyone was present when this conversation took place? (to include Kyron as well, if he was)
I’m assuming here that the conversation was in person face-to-face, not via the phone or email. ????
T. Ruth, respectfully submitted the only question I feel I can answer directly (good questions as usual, just preserving integrity of what is likely case sensitive info) is that the conversation took place in person with other people around.
B
T. Ruth
Portland is not the only school district across the country who hires people without a proper education. In 1988, the Houston Independent school district, in compliance with a State mandate, tested their entire school teacher population to the eighth grade level. Forty percent could not pass the test. The wife of one of my colleagues was a test monitor and grader. The stories she told were sometimes unbelievable.
In 2002, I found a middle school English teacher who did not know how to read a ruler nor did most of her students.
Your statement and my experience tell me that the public school systems of today are very dysfunctional. Grade inflation is the reason. This extends into the administrative staff too.
This is the prime reason why Kyron is missing. A school that could not manage a spring science fair is a safe manner.
The only thing I will add to ATG post, which does not absolve Skyline of creating an environment that resulted in the disappearance of Kyron Horman in the first place- is that it is very, very difficult to protect against this type of an offender in an open house setting with virtually zero security. In many ways, it will surprise no one ultimately if it is learned this venue was chosen for those reasons.
B
Blink or anyone else that may know: I thought Porter’s response to the volunteer’s question of “where’s Kyron?,” was that he may be in the restroom or getting water? If she thought that, why would she mark him absent and why wouldn’t she be looking for him when he didn’t show up in a minute or so? Do you know what time Kyron was actually marked absent? I’m hoping it wasn’t later in the day just to cover butts.
I honestly cannot validate the volunteer comment- it is possible it was just fake news as I have never seen it quoted.
It was in the morning around 10am, as parents were told, but I have no independent confirmation of that from Porter directly.
B
Porter had her own 504 or IEP plan and was coded for deafness. in college she got her own substantial classroom accommodations. I suggest Keefer is responsible for failing to supervise her adequately aa a new disabled employee. As for Kyron’s classroom behavior, a deaf teacher also misarticulates words, a hardship on many children with attentional or auditory vulnerabilities. A pity she was his teacher. Also a pity Terri didn’t know about Mathews to go toe to toe with her that day. The mother of a missing child is reasonably a virago with the in loco parentis negligent personnel. Such a shame Kaine sent kiara there and kristen as whitewasher imo. imo Squirrelly Kaine was not a male version of virago with porter, mathews, & keefer.
Thank you Rose, for raising the Orgel bar at BOC.
Virago- A virago is a woman who demonstrates exemplary and heroic qualities. (me note- latin LOVES to re gender, does it not?)
loco parentis- in place of a parent.
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I can’t say that I am in any position to weigh in on the hearing disability of a teacher- not my area except to say that it would be in the area of assessing risk or liability and that computation agrees.
What I find additionally troubling is that Porter’s hearing deficiency was actually accommodated during her deposition- at her request. So there’s that.
B
re “exchange caused Terri to become irate and her body language toward Porter “was such” that an individual stepped in between her and Porter”
wonder why Desiree was not an equal virago with Porter, later Mathews, like white on rice.
Imo only explanation is even then she was laying out a lawsuit wrt PPS, with advice.
I will never under that, unless I already know.
B
Imo on that afternoon, 6/4, at the school confronted with his son’s disappearance, kaine must have had a range of Qs flowing thru his head such that he was not supportive of Terri as she flew into her kyron protective mode with Porter. (apparently he’d never supported Terri wrt Porter anyway.) The affair(s). The steroid associates. Desiree, to whom he’d said no residential change. Ecker whom he’d F’d financially andaccess-wise to james. He must have been overwhelmed with possibilities.
michael p at miller nash = edlaw. any relationsbip?
No idea Rose.
B
Soldier for several days has prominently featured
pleas for Dollars for Desiree (gofundme) prompting
me to wonder why? Gas & motel money for a Maryville
excursion?
No idea, but I hope so. Anyone paying anyone else to participate in the harassment of others or bullying is setting them up for a hella problem legally.
Very interesting motions calendar as it relates to the Yuba trial. Day before and day of trial. ‘Jus sayin’
B
@first-time. imo those fails are not connected except tbru govt employee (pps, mcso) personal & institutional CYA. wrt mcso/da, a lot of motivation was investigatory unmerited lucre + personal/political reputation. Given the knowledge of SZ to the bios tho, imo after Porter-Mathews-Keefer, they are the most culpable to kyron’s failed finding.
The sad part is that Skyline had at least one 8th grade class. These are students 14 years of age. Most of them would have adult bodies.
If the principal was knowledgeable and experienced, he or she would have asked PPB to assign two officers to the school until the events completed. In addition, some of the 8th grade boys could have been assigned to monitor all of the many entrances of the building and the parking lots. Two per entrance and two in each parking area.
Security requires someone to put it in place and make certain it happens. This school and probably others in the district have no security procedures and processes in place. In today’s dangerous world, this is dereliction of duty.
Just how was MS Porter’s hearing affected? Was it both ears or just one?
As a musician, one must hear adequately in order to play in-tune with others. Most of the sound humans hear from their own speech is transmitted to the brain via jaw-bone vibration. One does not hear how they sound to others without some form of feedback. I was completely amazed the first time I heard a recording of my voice. It was not what I expected at all.
Mrs. ATG recently acquired a hearing aid for her right ear. She had lost over fifty percent of her hearing in that ear. One of the clues was that she began to have difficulty in articulation of some sounds at the beginning and ends of words as well as not processing language properly when she was listening.
I would think that any person with a hearing loss would have a difficult time in any classroom and especially if one were the teacher or instructor. Words spoken too softly or mis-articulated would be difficult for any student to follow.
That is an excellent question ATG- and I do not know the answer. I only know that she requested and used a sound amp device for her deposition. If she testified before the gj (I have to believe she did but I can’t confirm that independently) my sense is she would have requested the aid of same. From a negligence/liability perspective, my assumption is that she would have blamed her hearing issue for forming her opinion that Terri took Kyron out of school to attend his sisters dr. appt. That said, she is also in a “protected” disability class as far as employment is concerned.
I am glad Mrs. ATG was able to benefit from her hearing aid
B
Rose says:
June 23, 2017 at 7:42 pm
Soldier for several days has prominently featured
pleas for Dollars for Desiree (gofundme) prompting
me to wonder why? Gas & motel money for a Maryville
excursion?
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It might be interesting if DY takes the witness stand. Maybe Terri’s attorneys would start asking DY some of the questions that we wish the media would ask.
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Like:
Why did you give up your two sons and move to Seattle/Canada
Why was the reason for move to Canada mis-represented in the press by you
Either now or previously have you ever been under a doctors care for mental instability drug rehab, suicide or bipolar (this could go to the reason many of DY comments over the last 7 years have been untrue although she seems sincere).
Why were you willing to publicly persecute and accuse someone in Kyrons disappearance whom you knew full well was not involved(Dede).
If you were willing to falsely accuse Dede then how can anyone take your accusations against Terri seriously.
Why do you keep making statements in the media about this case that are clearly false like the statement about Kyron playing the game Skylander in 2009-2010 when the game was not released until 2011.
Why did you never try to at least get joint custody of Kyron or his brother Quinn. Its like there is something that the custodial parents knew about you that you don’t want to talk about. (I would try to subpoena one of them not Kaine however).
These questions sound pretty cruel but they go to the believability of a character witness and whether the things she claims to have witnessed can be taken as the truth or her testimony is just a lot of exaggerated drama (which DY engages in either purposely or unwittingly to make sure she gets the outcome she wants).
cd-
In DY’s civil suit (since withdrawn) one of the claims was that Terri “lied to the media”. I scoffed then and now because Terri was never under any burden to even speak to the media, let alone answering a question she did not invite and openly at the time refused all media attempts to interview her for many years. Specifically, I know as a fact that to counter Young’s assertions T’s civil defense attorney was slated to ask her her opinions on truthfulness to media about personal information to include her publicly recorded comment re “seeking treatment from a non-FDA approved supplement” in Canada.
In my view, it is one of the reasons why she rescheduled both her depositions within 24 hours of her scheduled appearances and withdrew the suit. There is no doubt in my mind such information was not known to Rosenthal at the time- it should be noted that firm dissolved in 2016 and now Rosenthal is only listed as “of counsel”.
On the issue of Spicher- initially I blame Frink for such wrecklessness as to publicly accuse Spicher and all of his unethical actions in this case. Unethical is not just my word to describe his actions- it was used by several of his peers as well. I subsequently blame MCSO, for continuing to promote such nonsense to her until such time they got caught, were removed from the active investigation and the DA was alerted… and told DY she would be on her own as to any of her public statements regarding same but made her aware Spicher had been cleared (see Rosenthal press conf). As you know, she has not uttered a syllable about Spicher since. Not saying that absolves her involvement in the cauldrons bullying of an innocent woman, it does not, I am strictly referring to the fact that after she was informed, and she was told she would be facing a defamation suit you have never heard her accuse Spicher again.
She did try to regain custody of Quinn- she was denied.
DY medical records would be open to discovery as to Kantor’s order, absolutely.
B
Ironic that both TH and Porter has hearing problems.
Terri seems to be saying she told the teacher on the 4th.
snip>
“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits – how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic – had to been 300 people running around – no coordination …”
http://katu.com/news/local/terri-horman-e-mails-they-are-blaming-me-11-19-2015
Exactly Rose, thou I don’t understand how you believe her lack of action explains forethought to a lawsuit..
Oh Blink, what do you already know. That’s going to keep me up.
Rose says:
June 23, 2017 at 2:14 pm
re “exchange caused Terri to become irate and her body language toward Porter “was such” that an individual stepped in between her and Porter”
wonder why Desiree was not an equal virago with Porter, later Mathews, like white on rice.
Imo only explanation is even then she was laying out a lawsuit wrt PPS, with advice.
I will never under that, unless I already know.
B
“Oh Blink, what do you already know. That’s going to keep me up.”
You and me both erose-.
B
Blink, Not meaning to parse words, but when you speak of the second call are you saying TH literally called DY twice, or are you saying there were two phone conversations between the women?
snip>
I was told that this exchange caused Terri to become irate and her body language toward Porter “was such” that an individual stepped in between her and Porter. It is my understanding this results in the second call to Desiree (from Terri) that DY mentioned on occasion. It is a fair and safe assumption that through this exchange of words it was clear that at the time, the Horman’s blamed the school (Porter) for losing track of Kyron in the morning.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
1st Phone Call:
DESIREE YOUNG: I got a phone call from the school, and she said, ‘Is this
Desiree Young?’ And I said, `Yes it is.’ And she said, `You’re listed as the emergency notification for Kyron Horman?’ And I said, `Yeah, he’s my son. What could I do?’ And she said, `I have to notify you, he’s missing.’ And for a split second I thought it was a joke, and I said, `What?’ She said, `He’s missing.’ I said, `I don’t understand. How could he be missing?’ I said, `OK, where is Terri and Kaine?’ `Well, Terri’s here.’ `All right. Thank you.’ And I hung up with her, and immediately called Terri, and I cussed a little bit, said, `What the hell’s going on?’ And she said that they went to the science fair and everything was fine and she waved goodbye to him, and he went into his class, or so she thought.
2nd Phone Call:
That call set off shock waves of disbelief. A child had disappeared right from under everyone’s nose in what is supposed to be a safe place for kids: school.
As search teams started combing the area, Kyron’s mother, Desiree, and her husband, Tony, raced up to Portland from their home in Medford, Oregon. When they heard the awful news, they called Kyron’s stepmother Terri Horman just before jumping in the car.
DESIREE YOUNG: I had told her, `I’m coming up there.’ And she said, `You are?’ And she seemed surprised at that, which I thought was strange. I said, `Of course I am. I’ll be there in, you know, four, four and a half hours.’
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/#.WU35eLpFyYM
2 conversations.
Initial call was from Hall, DY called Terri.
2nd Call was made by Terri to DY to tell her his backpack and jacket were in the classroom.
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ot @Blink. I’ve always seen virago used with a negative connotation ie “a loud-voiced, ill-tempered, scolding woman; shrew.” ….the way KH described Terri to his public. Looking up that type of def, now I wonder why old friends from Portland named their girl Xanthippe (Xan for short) in the 1970s. Apparently Socrates’ wife was argumentative.
There was a story I didn’t listen to on npr today that school districts will be short by maybe 30% on teachers soon due to retirements. Sounds like a consequence of union-mandated job security til teachers age out.
@ATG. I would’ve posted here on the first thread I joined a link to a review she wrote online for a speech to text product used in classrooms as an accommodation. She said she’d used it in college classrooms. Theis accommodation puts in written text form words spoken by the teacher. I cannot remember the product’s name. It’s a way to get lecture notes in print format.
I don’t know about 2010-ish, but there are many programs like that (apps) available today and I use them professionally on occasion. Same issues as auto correct, lol- must be reviewed very, very carefully.
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might’ve been a product named Interact.
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mostly Porter comments
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/
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Blink, don’t you think the Motion in Limine was to exclude the RO from evidence (as it shoukd be) & there was 1 previously denied. Now we know why Cristobal was coached to an RO. Other Motion was likely energizer bunny Kyle for Kameras in Kourt.
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Since Wirtschafter was a marysville city councilman, and his press says he cant walk a half blickin town without someone stopping to chat, I am surprised at no motion for new venue. In a he said she said over the gun, who’s he or a local jury gonna find more credible, the neighbor he’s known for years or a stranger from Oregon?
From the online record only I see a motion in limine hearing Monday at 3, and motions scheduled at start of trial on 6/27. Yuba’s Superior court rules are your basic standard small town variety and do not differentiate much from misdy to felony.
Disclaimer- I have not worked on this criminal matter professionally. My sense is that the discovery concerns that took place in the last hearing (not trial readiness) are being addressed now on the record after asking the court to weigh in earlier. The State intended to introduce matters of allegations related to Kyron, and the DV order. To my knowledge, Cristobal has already been excluded as a witness after the Judge heard evidence that he is not credible. My assumption is that the motion in limine covers all potential accusations of prior bad acts and your basic “all things associated with Kyron and Oregon” (like the Oregon FAPA, anything that would be considered inflammatory or irrelevant to the instant matter). Its very common for the court to schedule time for hearing stipulated motions or arguments pre trial and then read in to the record at trial for a variety of reasons. I will say it is incredibly uncommon for a misdemeanor gun theft charge/FTA that was dropped due to lack of prob cause and non-participating complainant to rise to this level of drama and it is not lost on anyone. I include the Yuba Superior Court rules for anyone interested:
http://www.yubacourts.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Misc/ROC%202017-01-01.pdf
Contrary to posts I have read from people that have no business addressing the issue, lol, the motions don’t have anything to do with suppressing anything- suppression presumes and alleges something was obtained “illegally” in the first place- and would be subject to the potential for Fruit of The Poisonous Tree doctrine (Silverthorne v US). This type of motion deals with exclusion.
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Call 1 was so Desiree. Instead of “a little cussing” at Hall, the school notifier, and asking Hall what’s going on (I would’ve said put the Principal on right now), to find out who what when where etc, her first words to Hall were Where’s Terri, to say nothing more to the school, and to call Terri thinking she can fix or explain things as usual and to cuss her no doubt as usual too. Desiree is a virago, just directs it all at Terri and Kaine. Erose, yr call 2 just before the car sounds like a conversation no. 3.
re academic setting speech to text captioning for deafchildren
who are due them in the classroom as a legal obligation
(504 or iep), my point was regardless of the software,
Porter herself in a review of it said she’d used it in the college classroom.
That flowed from the school having a legal obligation to provide it imo.
One of the things that has always bothered me in Kyron’s case is that he was fluent in “signing” as was/is his brother James- why wouldn’t this information be important in the potential for identifying him or for inclusion in his victimology profile?
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a strong argument against kaine ot Terri involvement is the abduction
has joined them for life to someone whose acts towards them
are like a BPD’s. All they had to do was wait til kyron was 18
and they’d have no more contact with her expected.
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There are many devices on the market to help with classroom work. Those in the area of speech to text and there are white boards that will capture drawings as well as text and print them out for class handouts.
In this case, we have two people trying to converse when both have audio problems. Miscommunication is bound to happen.
I once stood in line behind a school teacher at a driver’s license renewal. This woman wore glasses, but could not read the eye test at the largest symbol level. She then reached into her purse and retrieved a pair of clip-on lenses that improved her vision to the point that she could read the first three lines.
After she was given her renewal and left the test station, I asked the woman giving the test why she allow a person who tested so poorly to have a license. I was told that she was a school teacher and under law she was in a protected class that required the examiner to pass her regardless of how poorly she could see.
This woman was a danger to herself and others on the streets and highways. Sometimes, laws are written without consideration for the effects they have on the safety of others.
People who have extreme vision problems or hearing problems should not be allowed to teach children at the primary level. Adults have enough smarts to understand how to get the information, but children do not.
ATG- I sense the TDOT was dishonest with you, lol. Without a DL63 if a person fails the minimums, they are not “protected”. If that employee passed the woman when they should not have it is a violation of TDOT rules, and I daresay a potential for liability on their behalf. God forbid she gets in an accident and harms herself or others. I certainly hope the woman simply had a required corrective lenses deviation and passed the minimum test but true story- a very nice gentleman at our DMV speaks to people with his eyes closed, lol. Jus sayin’
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this says it was Staton himself briefing both bios.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html
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how come Eldon didn’t anticipate both sides
would have to reviewthe investigative file and docs?
He did. His early comments on the suit specifically mention the suit would be used to garner information from LE- when asked about it at the press conf withdrawing the suit he declined to discuss it at all. DY has mentioned case file information publicly many times, unless it was untrue.
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wonder if Desiree or Tony
has spoken by phone at any time to the
Yuba DA? Wonder if Adams will ask?
Doubtful, MCDA won’t speak to them directly re the case.
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