Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
Related Posts
Related Posts:
6,633 Comments
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI
Children often have very good truth meters that allow them to see truth from fiction. However, those that are not able to perform well in their childhood endeavors such as sports,music and other activities often blame their lack of success on things not being “fair”. The job of adults is to explain to them exactly what is going on rather than taking the socialist stance of making everything equal rewards regardless of the real outcome. There are many reasons for unequal results. Some are beyond anything that a child can do to correct them in the present time.
Mothers and fathers who do not pay attention to these things often make the mistake of reinforcement of the child’s desires to be successful by making things “fair” when in reality they are not.
@ATG Fallon leaves the clinical dx of psychopath to forensic psychiatrists. A psychopath as a clinical dx occurs when the person is dysfunctional in society and has likely come in contact with the criminal justice system and a judges orders a psych wval. Fallons point is those persons, if formally diagnosed (by a specialist psychiatrist) show allelles in his warrior gene category and a common dysfunctional limbic system on PET scan–but those two biological profiles also show up in the “normal” population, may be high achievers, and do not come into contact with the criminal justice system tho they have common behavioral traits, ie narcissism, lack of empathy. His research now is on Why the different individual outcomes among those who have the same neurobio dna & brain structure (belies it is that 3rd stool leg) and intergenerational transmission.
Rose
As tough as the trip was to the Aspen festival, I am glad you went.
The festival grounds are at 8,000 ft which makes it hard for people who live at lower elevations. It usually takes three or four days to get acclimated to the new lower levels of oxygen in the air. I have attempted to play at Snowmass on the day of arrival only to find that it was very difficult. String players usually do better than wind players.
There is a similar festival in Texas at the little town of Round Top located on hwy. 237 SW of Burton a town on U.S. Hwy. 290. This one is not as old as the Aspen festival. Its first season was 1965.
I understand what your point was better from you recent post. However, a mutation of a gene is sometimes good rather than bad.
Yes, ATG – I think that is exactly what could have happened, an elaborate plot to get rid of his wife with things going terribly wrong. All of those first TV interviews show a father who appears to have no emotion. Someone else knows what happened, maybe the person who acted with him. Poor little Kyron. I wonder if Terri suspects that is what happened, too.
@A Texas Grandfather says: August 15, 2017 at 1:50 pm
In reference to Tiny and Redrose posts:
Your posts have raised the potential that Kyron was taken from Skyline by someone directed by the father in an effort to crush Terri in a criminal conspiracy. If that is true, then KH was very successful.
It also leads to the possibility that Kyron fought his abductor and was accidentally killed. This means that KH won and lost in the same action.
Terri was made the perp by LE and suffered all the effects of false accusations without proof of any criminal activity. Kain lost his son in the process. This can only be supported if evidence is found.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with Kyron. I think he saw things in that home that a child that age should never see and probably didn’t understand. Children are naturally curious, IMO
@oldladysmith says:August 16, 2017 at 8:35 pm
I have not seen this question before but I am curious.How “challenged” is Kyron? Could he grow up and be a functual adult or would he have to remain in the home?
For those who think KH had something to do with the disappearance of his son, what do you think his motivation is? The only thing I ever came up with is a change in circumstance between he and TH where DY could go back to court and become the custodial parent. The thing is, TH says they weren’t on the skids. Maybe he planned on dumping her and she didn’t know it.
I have never seen any evidence Kaine was involved directly or indirectly, but as you know I am not satisfied the possibility has been scrutinized appropriately and therefore excluded. The fact is, from an investigative perspective, there is one person who was involved in admitted illegal activity and that information was utilized to indict and convict his direct acquaintances. That happened, no getting around that. No getting around the fact it elevated the subject of the instant missing person investigations risk assessment in his victimology profile. A DEA agent came to the Horman home 14 months prior to Kyron’s disappearance and retrieved Kaine’s steroid stash- again, this information is contained in a sworn deposition (at least one I am aware of).
I am comfortable suggesting that while there may not have been some sort of imminent blow out the eve before (DY statement and KH denied) Kyron disappeared, I do believe both parties had reason to believe the marriage was in trouble and Kaine was fearful of the potential financial implications to him. That is not to say that I form any opinion about whether or not Kaine was wanton of a divorce, I think he is on record that he did not, and I have never interviewed anyone that suggested otherwise. In matrimonial matters of the “he said” “she said” kind, I always employ the “three sides to every story” practice- his, hers and the truth.
To the point of your query, if we are simply discussing the issue of how the potential for divorce (imminently) might be motivation on either part to “secret” Kyron- I can’t see one. In fact, since I am aware that Terri did seek an informal legal opinion as to her potential for child and spousal support after suspecting and confronting Kaine about a perceived extra marital affair of a co worker, the concept that she would arrange to “off Kaine” or faux-kidnap or worse to Kyron makes absolutely no sense. We know (through filed briefs) that the DA theory is that Terri believed that Kaine would get custody of both Kyron and Kitty because OR observes the rights of siblings to be “together” which once again makes NO SENSE because she facilitated James’s move to her parents the year before- if I am Kaine’s counsel, I am arguing that by doing that she effectively created a “waiver” that she does not observe or demonstrate the importance of the sibling relationship, AND that is after Kyron’s other sibling, Quinn, spent a substantive amount of time with BOTH Kyron and James growing up. She effectively blew her own strategy and in essence, wth did Kaine have to fear at that point (under the DA theory). As you can see, Kaine’s motivation under such a theory like the DA posited is equally non-sensical.
If you consider the fact that in DY’s own words, Terri was actively trying to facilitate increased custody for her and now we are talking about having to pay 2 masters versus none, I would want to know more seriously what Kaine’s knowledge base was on this- but once again, it is contradictory to the State’s posited theory. So I suppose the concept migrates to “but something went wrong”. I keep coming back to the same very glaring problem with that. At no time did anyone arrange for, or apparently predict that Matthews would give that “nod”- at no time did anyone arrange for or apparently predict Porter would not mark Kyron absent, not notice his belongings in the classroom as an indicator he was unaccounted for, not review an email sent prior to the end of the school day about picking up Kyron’s project which once again would prompt a dialog about the fact he was not there. If this was the diabolical master plan as a precursor to either facilitate financial footing “in limine” how does anyone account for that without working to exclude Porter’s involvement? You cannot. Investigative 101. It does not work in either column.
B
I don’t think that Kyron was challenged by a lack of mental acuity. I do believe that he at times, as often happens with boys and girls of his age, had not learned the proper actions of completely following instructions. In other words he did not always have good concentration.
If there was anything that I noticed, it was the position of his hands,arms and body in some photos that indicated he was having some difficulty in transitioning from the body of a four or five year old to one that a seven year old has. This causes one to be sometimes clumsy.
It is not as pronounced at this age as it is when they transition to teens. Especially in boys where they sometimes stumble over their own feet when walking. This usually clears up in a year or two.
Like any group of children, some are more affected in these transitions than others. Just listen to the voices of boys almost yodeling during speaking when their voice box is in change. Boys who are taught to sing at an earlier age seldom have that problem.
While Kyron at age seven was many inches shorter than most seven year olds, we don’t know if that was by heredity and would change later on in his life or he could remain small. I have a very good friend who as an adult is only 5′-1″ tall, almost a midget. He and his twin brother have multiple college degrees and he holds over thirty patents in chip design.
RoseRed says:
August 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm
Your posts have raised the potential that Kyron was taken from Skyline by someone directed by the father in an effort to crush Terri in a criminal conspiracy. If that is true, then KH was very successful.
It also leads to the possibility that Kyron fought his abductor and was accidentally killed. This means that KH won and lost in the same action.
Terri was made the perp by LE and suffered all the effects of false accusations without proof of any criminal activity. Kain lost his son in the process. This can only be supported if evidence is found.
—————–
Just an alternate theory
I have thought this also. Maybe someone took Kyron from the school intending to take him to Medford to be with his mom since he was supposed to go there for the weekend anyway. Maybe a freak accident happened that led to Kyrons death. Whoever took him became afraid of what would happen because they actually had Kyron illegally (without parental consent). So they concealed what happened to Kyron and hid the body in a forested area somewhere between Portland and Medford. No one ever has and probably no one ever will search wooded area’s between Portland and Medford. it could be that they intended to call and let everyone know that Kyron was with them but the accident happened to soon.
I think Kaine knows what happened. I do not think Kaine had anything to do with it.
All of Blink’s points yes. But also, I think Kaine is lazy about anything but himself.
Obviously, Blink is right. No one could have predicted the school’s complete and utter incompetence, nor MCSO’s. Even if Porter or Matthews had something to do with it (I don’t think that either) they could not have predicted the incompetence. Well……..actually Porter is the only one who influenced this in a way that certainly was pivotal to the situation we currently have of vanished without a trace. Regardless. Kaine knows what happened. That is my one and only bet. Rose can make the next one
CD
All of the posited theories have some merit. It is true that some of the forested areas of Oregon have trees that produce limbs very close to the ground that would make the concealment difficult to find. But this is not true of all areas. Some have clean forest floors because of the height of the trees.
With a seven hour head start before it became known to the parents, the perp could have driven into Washington, Northern California,Idaho and almost anywhere in Oregon.
Seems to me, since LE was hanging around the school hiding behind bushes (according to locals), in the days and weeks following his disappearance,that LE KNEW that more than one person was involved in the physical abduction of Kyron. I’m sure then weren’t expecting the perp to walk back on campus. So if we are to consider that perhaps TMH was not involved (along with her friend DDS), then who are the “two”? (or more for that matter) This is another reason, aside from the necessity of being very familiar with that school, that I don’t think this was a random act by some lone wolf.
Who would have reason to remove that child from the school and why?
Who would have the audacity to recruit someone else in a child’s abduction and why?
Who would voluntarily submit to becoming a party to a child’s abduction and why?
Did KH hold a grudge against TH for ratting him out to the DEA. You say 14 months, so that would be about April ’09.
My best information is that Kaine did not learn it was Terri that called the DEA until following Kyron’s disappearance.
I can only assume he held a grudge.
B
Because of the damp/rainy climate in the Willamette Valley (between the Cascades and the Coast Mountains), there is a lot of underbrush and thick growth in the forests. This is on the west side of the Cascade MOuntains, and probably extends south of Eugene. On the east side of the Cascades, the forest floor is a lot cleaner. But anywhere in the Cascades on the west side, there is a lot of growth.
The area where Kyron would have been stashed is on the west side/the valley and unless the land is being cleared for some reason, he could never be found. Forest Park is especially overgrown.
@ A Texas Grandfather says:August 18, 2017 at 11:04 am
CD
All of the posited theories have some merit. It is true that some of the forested areas of Oregon have trees that produce limbs very close to the ground that would make the concealment difficult to find. But this is not true of all areas. Some have clean forest floors because of the height of the trees.
T. Ruth
“Who would voluntarily submit to becoming a party to a child’s abduction and why?
There are two possibilities that I can think of as the answer to your question. Since there is nothing we presently know from fact, neither may actually fit.
First
Someone whom KH caused some pain to because of his involvement in the steroid use. Remember the steroids were acquired from his activities at the gym. This could include a number of people including some LE who used the same gym.
Second
Some family member in KH’s own family who helped him in setting up TH for personal gain. To cause TH legal trouble and to provide a way to make it impossible for the court to give her any custody rights. The often quoted five year statement fits here. It also sets up the court to order TH to pay child support for little K.
As my friend who was DA for Harris County said to me-”Crooks are often very smart,but they have something that makes them behave outside the law”.
Rose says: August 17, 2017 at 10:32 am
“To my knowledge nobody who has sought donations on behalf of Kyron’s disappearance in some fashion, has ever used same to hire anyone to preform a parallel and independent investigation. Not that they would have to, they could certainly request same from the ODOJ and the FBI, as two options. I am willing to say this on the record- there are sources within this very investigation that believe that the reason Terri remains a defacto suspect is because the minute either parent would be informed they might be moving in a different direction, or have cleared her, MCSO faces a civil suit at a minimum, a request for oversight by the aforementioned agencies is not welcome or MCSO would have requested it themselves.
B”
What A tell. I cannot imagine any cause of action either bio coukd have against mcso for any reason. Moreover County attorney would defend with unlimited litigation means. All all of both bios dirty linen would come in. Reassure those investigation sources that’s a darn empty saner rattling.
oldladysmith says: August 16, 2017 at 8:35 pm
“He had an appt scheduled for June 11th to begin the Dx of that issue- but I do not believe anyone thought if he was ASPY or that he did in fact have issues with seizures that he was not high functioning. As far as I know, his behavioral cues did not seem to come from any sort of specific learning disability and he was very intelligent.
B”
Unfortunate when pediatricians think they know so much about the dx of adhd or seizures without immediately referring to specialists. Our pediatrician was like that. No doubt the reason he violated State statute by shredding voluminous records 2 years before allowed and w/o offering copies.
In Terri’s shoes (and she had little power), I’d have phoned and said what neuropsychologist do you recommend to work up the neurocognitive school complaints, and what ped neurologist to eval for seizures. At a minimum that would take an eeg and probably an mri with contrast, so Mr. Pediatrician was not about to do that. With him leaving town, in his parents’ shoes I would not mess around with “pediatric screening.” I became callous about seeing peds who bill themselves as developmental specialists (to make more $) without higher level training.
__________________________
What is publically known about kyron developmentally?
l) he had one symptom of adhd which was difficulty inhibiting impulses as evidenced by “disappearing” from the classroom w/o permission and by his “violations” of her card system showing some classroom behavior issues related to self-control. The other features of executive functioning are working memory and ability to shift appropriately from mental task to mental task. We have no info on those 2. However, often neurocognitive disabilities (yr learning disabilities Blink) do not become evident until more years and time pass developmentally.
2) he had very significantly diminished vision in both eyes from birth. Possible causes are genetic and congenital due to some injury in utero. While Terri doubtless knows the diagnosis, she cannot share that privacy info with Blink or others. If his low vision was due to colobomas in an eye structure, that means FAS should be ruled out. The public does not know if vision was genetic or due to in utero environment.
3) no info re auditory processing, which can look like inattention in class
4) no info on motor, but he certainly looks like so many young boys worked up by an OT whom I’ve met in numerous OT wait rooms, and schools for kids with a variety of developmental issues. That is, he looks like someone with low large motor tone (we haven’t seen examples of fine motor, but I bet that’s why Terri had all his titles typed. That would also fit with the urinary frequency or continence issues.
Developmental disabilities have little to do with intellect or overall IQ (subtests will differ with neurocognitive disabilities). My son tested at ll9 IQ overall when he clearly had severe FAS (based on head size, scoliosis, pigeon chest, eye coloboma, auditory processing, and speech/lang (receptive-expressive) disabilities. Kyron could be “very smart” and have any kind of developmental differences with his peers. The issue becomes when it affects the child socially, or in the classroom. It sounds like the Ped apptmt was because Kyron was affected in his activities of daily living by something. Which apparently Dad neglected and pooh-poohed.
Enough time, IMO, with the help of a friend or two, to remove her from his life permanently. He probably didn’t think through the 5-year thing; wonder if he visits Kyron. I’d rather think that than anything else.
I wonder if she told him and that’s what set this in motion.
Wonder why they don’t investigate him more closely?
Wonder if Terri and her lady friend planned to pull Kyron and little KH and take off together after the science fair, but somebody outsmarted them?
Well, it sounds like most of LE is dishonest, so it will be a secret. Where is the FBI, even now?
@Erose says: August 18, 2017 at 11:58 am
Did KH hold a grudge against TH for ratting him out to the DEA. You say 14 months, so that would be about April ’09.
My best information is that Kaine did not learn it was Terri that called the DEA until following Kyron’s disappearance.
I can only assume he held a grudge.
B
Tiny
I agree that none of us on this site could have predicted the behavior of school personnel.
However, a seasoned crook or pedophile would have spent some time watching the school to determine if good safety practices were in place.
Such a person could have been a member of one of the many outside organizations who frequented the school.
This would be the same behavior that robbers use to find a way to rob a bank or other business. Some criminals are smart enough to make it difficult to identify them or they just get lucky for a time.
RoseRed
LE is just like any other organization. They are subject to the acts of their people. Sometimes bad or ignorant people work their way into supervisory and management positions. This causes problems within the organization. To me it does not mean that LE is always bad or untruthful. It does however, impede their mission of “to serve and protect”.
I definitely agree with that- in fact, it absolutely pains me to be critical of LE in any case because overall, I think these are the bravest and toughest jobs out there- with the most inherent risk. In a detective situation, in most LEA’s there is a clearly defined protocol for career path which includes baseline training. In MCSO case, because in 2010 they did not have adequate investigators, Staton literally (or figuratively) waived some sort of “detective promo” wand and made deputies with zero investigative experience (and/or adequate training) and reassigned them as detectives. Subsequently, many of those detectives were removed, reassigned and in some cases demoted- YET- their work product is/was used before 2 failed gj’s. I am probably never going to understand how that made sense to anyone then or now.
As a parent of a missing child, if I was aware of that, I would be banging on the door of any and every escalation contact from every agency I could think of, no matter who I was told was involved. If one truly believes Kyron is being held somewhere for over 7 years, I do not understand the complacency.
B
And if this was done in tandem with a parent then wouldn’t the coerced one have spoken up by now? IMO, either that person is either familial or silenced or doesn’t exist. If there were two, 7 years with no one coming forward is telling.
T. Ruth says:
August 18, 2017 at 11:27 am
snip>
Who would voluntarily submit to becoming a party to a child’s abduction and why?
Agreed.
B
RoseRed says:
August 19, 2017 at 1:44 am
Wonder if Terri and her lady friend planned to pull Kyron and little KH and take off together after the science fair, but somebody outsmarted them?
———–
If TH and DDS wanted to take off with Kyron then why not take off on another day of the week or when Kaine was out of town. They didn’t ned a science fair day to do that. TH could have called Kyron in sick and they would have had all day maybe more to go where they wanted. It would be pretty obvious if DDS TH Kitty and Kyron all went missing the same day who took him.
I also think that if TH wanted to take her child and leave town that she would not have included Kyron since he had a mom in Medford whom he knew was his bio mom and he would have ask about his father. Also and what about TH’s son James in Roseburg.
The custody thing sounds like BS to me because TH had K’s big brother yes he was in Roseburg at the time but it wasn’t like she had relinquished custody of him and would not get him back when whatever reason she sent him to stay with his Grandparents was resolved.
If they just wanted to leave town with no children then why are TH and her friend still around. They are not suspects or even persons of interest in his case so nothing would stop them from going anywhere they want.
The whole DDS and TH were lovers theory is pretty stupid it must be pretty obvious by now from TH’s antics in California that she prefers men and I have never heard of DDS contacting TH in any way since DDS moved back to Klamath Falls. So that leaves DDS with absolutely no motive for anything that happened to Kyron.
I don’t think Kaine or DY would have ever harmed Kyron.
So that leaves me with either an unknown kidnapper/molester who preyed on children OR some sort of an accident where there was no motive maybe just a cover up.
DDS and TMH were never lovers, lol. TH and DDS had not so much as been in contact with each other in any form since March 2010. DDS is not gay nor is she bisexual and even if she were, the potential for her involvement past being in a general area near TH route on June 4th is going to go down in the annals of the most laughable and outrageous misdirection of an actual criminal investigation I have ever personally seen.
B
I keep wondering about the molestation angle.Imagine how scared the person would be to be found out ruined in every way.Then to find out about a Drs appt.Did lea scrutenize every male in Kyrons life regardless of age, profession relation to etc? Terri should have been the last one to suspect.
Of course, the most obvious answer is that KH owed somebody big time and the threat would be that something would happen to someone close to him if he didn’t ‘cough up’.
It would be interesting to know what the speeding cars on Sauvie Island that morning were all about.
I think KH has a pretty good idea of what happened. Also don’t think he will ever tell anybody. Too late, etc., doesn’t want to lose Kiara, too, etc., etc….
@Erose says:August 17, 2017 at 7:06 pm
For those who think KH had something to do with the disappearance of his son, what do you think his motivation is?
I don’t believe Kaine owed anything to anyone for steroids, in fact, part of the reason he was forced to admit his purchase/use/sale was because he paid by check- a paper trail. If Kyron’s disappearance was linked to him through some individual in the periphery, it was not for any sort of ransom or payment for monies owed. That said, since I do not personally believe that the DEA is in the habit of stopping by and retrieving illegal drugs and paraphernalia without any further contact, what I HAVE NOT been able to exclude is the possibility that as a result of that “visit” if Kaine was some sort of CI. Or, if he was not, that individuals exposed thought he was. I am more than comfortable permutations of this possibility have not been excluded effectively as a possibility for the motive of Kyron’s disappearance.
B
So if every male on the list was investigated by mcso,
does mcso acknowledge the male who left with kyron is not list-named?
Not directly and not everyone within MCSO knew or knows this, imo. It has become apparent to me over the years, and more specifically over the last 2 that there is a disparity in “direction” of this case between MCSO internally and between the FBI and MCSO. To put it succinctly, depending upon one’s assigned tasks within the investigation they may not have been privy to the “working” sum of its parts or what I call “the face on the board”. (In this case that would probably be called the faceless on the board). Once again I am struck by the similarities between this case and the Ramsey case (in that regard). Respectfully submitted, if I were in the drivers seat on this case, I would beg whomever I needed to, at the very least, to request a thorough review and recommendations from the Portland FBI office SAC and start over. It may be a semantics discourse as to “how” they were reviewed, but I have cited numerous cases on here that resolved by this very act and quite frankly all anyone will remember is that the cases actually resolved, that the perps are in jail, society was protected from future offenses, etc.
The single objective here should be locating Kyron Horman. Whether that leads to a recovery of a deceased 7 year old, or a live 14 year old a few weeks shy of his 15th birthday should not have any bearing on the investigation into his whereabouts if one cannot even identify who this child left the school with. Also, at this phase of an over 7 year old investigation, the normal investigative conventions do not apply. “Parsing” tasks and relevant data are no longer a “need to know” classification. This case needs to work in the reverse whether it ends up back at the same spot or not- it needs to start with the objective of investigating the case as if Terri Horman has been cleared entirely.
JMO
B
I don’t see mcso involving Portland SAC.
T’would make their new Bus Mgr look bad.
Reese too.
I don’t disagree that is how the concept is presently being interpreted internally. But as I am certain that there is definite disagreement between the FBI (CARD) and MCSO on Horman as a viable suspect (defacto) and if that comes to bear you can be pretty sure it will absolutely result in some jurisdictional finger pointing that is very likely to interfere with a prosecution in the first place- if I were MCSO I would opt to NOT be holding that bag.
Imo, Reese knows very, very little about what’s in those Kyron war room binders, purposely. How else could one avoid the obvious question- What if we are wrong? What that “looks like” to an organization with MCSO’s very public track record does not strike me as one Reese wants sticking to the bottom of his shoe.
Who is going to be that bravest soul, the heaviest lifter of all lifters for this little boy? Someone took a child from a school with hundreds in attendance and seven years later they unequivocally know he did not leave with the defacto suspect. Any reasonable and logically thinking person can conclude that based on that fact alone, it is the investigation itself that is the problem, getting in the way of a resolution. If MCSO had any faith that turning the case over (even for just review and recommend purposes) to the FBI would simply confirm their current investigative status, they absolutely would, right? It is because they already know it will not, on the record and likely has the potential to launch an FBI inquiry into MCSO overall.
Personally, if I inherited this case it would have been my first move, no matter the outcome because I would be so egregiously fearful that if this is an opportunistic sexually motivated offender, and my office got this wrong for so long and he re offends- that fish will rot at its head also.
B
B
Also need a change in County Chair (Reese’s BFF)
from Political Queen Bee Kafoury.
Wheeler gets things done, rightly or wrongly.
MCSO needs external mgmt supervision using power of purse.
Why don’t bios want SZ’s identity solved?
They agree on nothing else.
No idea outside of what I have already posited.
Given Kaine quite literally stated his opinion on the record, I have no earthly idea.
B
MCSO and the Multnomah County government have major problems that is caused by either corruption,ignorance or a combination of both. One could probably bring in some real investigators from outside the state and find the source of the problems.
This means that the officials at the state level will have to make that decision. We also know that their house is not clean so it likely will not happen. Therefore, the only possible action is for the Federal Department of Justice to come in for another reason and clean up the whole situation.
Hopefully, AG Sessions will make progress in cleaning up the top management of the FBI so that it functions as intended. At the present time, the FBI is in trouble too.
It seems to me Desiree’s abnormal fixation on Terri to the extent she does not want the investigation into FBI hands, nor SZ being the chief object of pursuit, MUST come from Tony & her reliance on him. His “if not Terri who?” was cutespeak for it IS Terri, & he fingered her the first weekend “it hits the ear”… If he disagreed with her, he’d have to think she’s nuts, & if he believed that, I don’t think they’d still be married. So one wonders what’s his skin in the game if Terri did it in the face of other evidence? For all we kniw Kaine’s contacts also supplied Medford.
At the end of the day, for me, it comes down to one fact- Can these individuals say with certainty that they are doing all that they can to facilitate the investigation- and in their own “vow” bring Kyron home? I believe for that to be a true statement on their part they have made a conscious decision not to elevate the case to the DOJ or seek alternative agency review. That may be true, but it leaves me with the very burning question- why?
It’s seven years people. Seven years of case developments and resolutions in cold cases all over the news- Hell, Desiree once “worked” with a Mother who’s son was located deceased, wrong suspect, wrong outcome and he was murdered within hours. There is something wrong with a status quo in an investigation of a missing child, the Universe is revealing that regularly with case resolutions and these people are at drag races and car shows “raising awareness” or FB posting “justice is coming”. Really?
B
Well, mcso Bus Mgr Balizan has the investigation misdirection & incompetence
sticking to his shoes cz in June-Juky 2010 he was often jointly
appearing with mcso personnel before
the cameras opining on the case. and the child.
Aware. I can only say I am aware of FBI agents who worked on this case who do not share the MCSO theory as Terri Horman is the defacto suspect and have voiced their opinion of same. In short, nobody with access to the case file is going to be surprised by my writing that here. It’s not news, internally.
B
Soldier’s been putting out daily gofundme
ads to no avail. So, Desiree has a new letter
out dwelling on her own personal losses (of course) and how
mad she is.
You know Blink, Kaine was the actor who oddly roped a distant contact (but single, supportive) DDS back into contact with TH by asking her to plan a mere acquaintance’s restaurant birthday dinner. If he were invokved in that mcso storyline, the birthday arranger story could easily make his dropping a hint to mcso they were close if not bis in a relationship believeable.
I think I recall Kaine in an interview somewhere saying they were not close at all, but occasional acquaintances-
According to DDS he copied several friends, DDS was the only one who volunteered.
B
Blink, Seems KH went through a contentious divorce with DY, where he was threatening suing for custody of his stepson Q. IIRC, initially DY was Kyron’s custodial parent, which she later relinquished. Did he pay DY child support? I think he had a real understanding of Oregon’s family court system.
I do not think TH had as much, as evidenced by her lack of understanding that KH could take k (on MFH eve) and it was ok. That makes me unsure she understood the legal significance of separating James and k. BIG QUESTION is why she was trying to place Kyron full time with DY. Was it impending divorce, did she think he was being abused, did she try because Kyron wanted to, was she tired of being mother to a seven year old and a baby, what was her reason? She was removing children from that house, or trying to.
If KH thought that DY might get Kyron back, even though he said “No” (which just floors me that DY says KH said No. So what.) Anyway KH knew that both TH and DY wanted Kyron back in Medford fulltime (evidenced by DY asking him) and he said no, what if his no wasn’t going to stop them, what would he do? With that hanging over his head, if KH found out, either as a CI or by other means that TH had informed the DEA of his steroid use, abuse, sales, then he might have been planning to divorce her, even if she was not aware.
Since he knew Kyron’s two mother’s would argue for Kyron’s return to Medford, in family court, and with that move freeing the court to steer towards the other bio-sibling for k, he may have seen his household without children and large child support payments to two women for two children. By him taking Kyron out of the equation, and placing suspicion on TH (which who knows if he could have planned or foreseen) he would keep k.
I guess it is possible that KH has Kyron living somewhere in a foreign country, as he has access to places thru his work, where the news of a missing Oregon boy may not reach. This is the only theory I have of Kyron celebrating his 15th, and a reason that explains a normally logical man would act so illogical in his circumstance. I am not saying this is my best theory, just the one where KH is involved.
I think you have highlighted why the stronger motive continues to be the elephant in the room. If I were DY, I still do not understand how certain she could be that was not the case. Even if the intent was just to prove a minor point of some kind- its illogical, but it has to have had some sort of “trail” to make accomodations for same. I know none exist that track to Terri- but have those avenues truly been exhausted all the way around? I am just not sure of that, and I doubt I would believe anyone that said they were. You have a guy that skated out of criminal charges but his “colleagues” did not. Someone could start there as an explanation, ya know?
I remain convinced that Terri’s penchant for secrecy (floabw) or untruthfulness is the main reason she is the defacto suspect with no evidence in support 7 years later. That and the unfair and inaccurate perception she gave up her daughter. Maddening some days.
B
This has probably been asked and answered, but did DY have formal legal visitation with Kyron? I wonder because if she had no legal say, what would prevent KH as full custodial parent to say send Kyron to a private boarding school in another country? Other than being on the hook for the most expensive search in Oregon’s history, what would be his legal consequence if he were found out, allegedly?
She did. It was an outdated order, but technically it was the standing order prior to Kyron’s disappearance. In Oregon parents can (by agreement) amend the visitation provisions themselves. The thing about that is outside of what was in the standing order, nothing else is enforceable unless it is amended to the last order in writing and on the record. So.. Kaine was under no obligation to agree to the extended visits they had been practicing starting the Summer before, but NO, he could not make a unilateral decision on DY’s behalf for anything that would be considered the right of say for his joint “legal” guardian, AND, any change of status like residency must be filed with the court anyway.
He would be ultimately be interferring with her visitation/custody if he did that, and that can be grounds to transfer custody in some circumstances.
B
Desiree’s self-absorbed writing (focused on her losses) was not published on her $ solicitation page; she went straight to her fundraiser in chief & close associate, a Stacey. Her sum = “justice is coming” & “andwers will be revealed”. Looks like she’s expecting a near term indictment & arrest. However the State’s case (her answers) will only be presented at trial over a year out. She’ll be faced with raising stiff bail. It seems Underhill’s strategy in CA & with an arrest (bail) is bankruptcy & inability to afford Houze. Looks like Kyron will get no answers & Desiree is firmly fixated on injustice for kyron’s actual kidnapper.
My heart aches for her.
I have no basis for saying this other than my personal opinion, but at this juncture I believe Houze would represent her pro bono if her iolta account is depleted. I do not think he would be short on other counsel or necessary expert volunteers as well. I hate to use the comparison because it seems unfair to Houze’s superior “chops”, but think “Jose Baez” style- I think I recall 12 different lawyers on her case that were never paid.
I recall one time in court Houze stated words to the effect of ” this is the kind of case we lawyers went to law school for”. I have presented the abstract of Kyron’s case in a variety of legal settings over the years (prior to my interviews with Ms. Moulton). I would suggest that opinion is a shared one.
I am 100% confident if ORS 132.020 (4) applies to an admittedly impaneled gj, that 2nd gj has already either been discharged or “voided”. A second gj into the same “charge” can only be impanelled under court order by the presiding judge, who in this case, I am aware has now retired. They can certainly impanel a new one under her replacement appointee, but the entire case submitted must be heard by the same gj, starting with 7 members, but can whittle down to 5 without an automatic void. In that case however, it would need an unanimous vote to true bill.
I have seen prosecutors do some really questionable things in past cases so I wouldn’t say it could not happen, but Underhill does not strike me as the kind of DA that wants the public to know an investigation with about a $4mill pricetag dismisses his case at the preliminary hearing due to lack of probable cause. His own previous filings use verbiage such as “we might be investigating”. They don’t know and they don’t have evidence to fill in that gap.
If they did, Terri Horman would have been arrested long ago.
B
looked like Desiree was writing to grand jurors soon to be asked to indict.
If she’s arrested Blink, her attorney won’t want yr interview published.
Well, I think I have proven over the years that is not up to anyone but me and the editor.
B
And one trusts your fine judgement and lengthy experience.
I have been expecting Desiree to post something
like justice is coming, all will be revealed if an indictment
vote was imminent or had transpired. Who knows why
she does anything tho?
Since KH skated on criminal charges, there has to be a logical reason for that to happen. Either his employer put pressure on LE and the courts or he was inducted into the MCSO informant class.
Could erose’s thought about Kyron being taken to a foreign country be true. Perhaps. Intel has facilities in many countries across the world. Kaine himself was at one time involved with activities at a plant in Israel. To disprove this would require checking airline flights in several states and perhaps Canada.
The other thing about custody is that Kaine would have to pay child support for Kyron if he was moved to be with his bio mom. The same would be true regarding little K and Terri IMO Kaine would do whatever necessary to keep from paying those monthly payments. He wants money coming to him and not going the other way.
“… Kaine would have to pay child support for Kyron if he was moved to be with his bio mom. The same would be true regarding little K and Terri IMO Kaine would do whatever necessary to keep from paying those monthly payments. He wants money coming to him and not going the other way” Yeah.
“….these people are at drag races and car shows “raising awareness” or FB posting “justice is coming”. Really?”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Glad someone else sees how ludicrous drag race & car show stuff is as relates to Finding Kyron. I always thot Kaine’s “awareness” stuff = distractables, plus chick magnet bait as a side benefit, & Desiree’s drags = local culture wanna be queen bee as a certain Medford subculture.
I don’t begrudge any parent in similar circumstances their outlet per se. There is a benefit to raising awareness of a missing child, of course. My issue is that it appears to be “in lieu of”. It is contradictory to my experience with parents of missing children- to be candid, in those cases a parent turned out to be one of the best investigators on their children’s cases. It is absolutely not optimum and I would not wish it on anyone. We resolved their cases successfully. Success however, meant recovery of a murdered son/daughter’s remains. What a horrific but necessary line of work for all.
I just don’t understand the logic and rationale behind such comments like “its a marathon not a sprint” or “your voice is probably changing”. As in, in what context would a 15 year olds voice be changing? In his daily pleadings saying please let me go? Because, if we are to take this commentary at face value, that is the presumptive inference offered.
Activity is not progress in a 7 year old case. Words are not actions in a 7 year old case.
Truly not judging here, I am just a practitioner trying to understand how to interpret these notions if I don’t already know the answer.
B
Kaine was very familiar with divorce & custody from Neil H who took his sons from their mother in Spokane, and Topher said he never saw her again until he and his family were homeless after Iraq when they had nowhere else to go. Ditto for Kristi–did Kaine & Kristian see their father growing up? Neil’s model to Kaine was divorce when they’re young, keep the boys, & the other bio does not exist for them.
Agreed B.
“Activity is not progress in a 7 year old case. Words are not actions in a 7 year old case.”
Quiet, thoughtful and well directed activity is what is needed.
Raising money to pay for signage and other publicity is helpful during the first year. After that public awareness is not as important as is getting LE to stay on the case in a meaningful way. Parents have to be the prime movers in such action.
IMO neither bio parent has fulfilled their responsibility to Kyron, but have directed their disappointment and anger at the one person who provided proper care for Kyron.
Where are you seeing a new letter from DY?
Blink, did you ever confirm or find out via TMH what the December 911 call was about that was denied to HouzeofBunches?
Yes, from multiple sources.
B
@TRuth, a Stacey’s hate-mongering FB Fake News site. Sad.
It was a letter to kyron prebirthday, but all about her.
Hi Blink and all you that post here daily, your all so amazing!
There is one thing that has always stuck in my mind and bothered me, and I hope someone else remembers this because I can’t find it online. I remember something about Kyron having some difficulty with listening or obeying or something along that lines with at least one adult and they (I think K’s parents and possibly the school?) were working with Kyron to improve that issue prior to him going missing? Hmmmm coincidence? Almost like one of those people working with Kyron on this listening issue was involved with him going missing and was helping prepare an easier, quieter exit from the school, so whoever took K from the school that morning would have a listening/obeying Kyron not a Kyron making a scene to be rescued? Does this seem like a possibly or me overthinking lol
Anyone remember this? Or know who the person was that Kyron was not listening to?
wasn’t it Desiree who said that?
Venessa
Thanks for you compliment to all of us.
For a partial answer to your question see my post #8 on this page.
Another part of Kyron’s problem could have been hearing. So many of our youths of today listen to sounds that reach into the dangerous range beyond 90db and damage their ears. In addition, I believe that one of his teachers had a hearing problem herself.
Some people with major hearing problems cannot determine just how soft or loud they speak. Not all that teach have big voices. Some women have a bad habit of talking beyond the capacity of their lungs which
sucks the sound back into their throat and destroys projection. If one listens carefully to some that appear on TV, this will be noticed.
There are three major change areas in children. First the change from a baby to what we call a child. Second the change that occurs between five and eight and third the very great changes beginning as early as eleven when their bodies are transitioning to adult size.
Every child is different and none come with an “owners manual”. Beginning parents often miss some of the signs of trouble. However, in Kyron’s case, he did have an experienced thoughtful parent in Terri.
O/T
Just to let everyone know about the now hurricane Harvey. The news media are still uncertain of where it may make landfall. The original region was from Port Mansfield near the border all the way up the coast as far as High Island just East of Trinity bay.
Monday evening I observed a small flock of birds, a part of the duck family that normally live along the coast and up the Rio Grande river.
This tells me that natures warning system has cause this flock to move to a safe place. Another flock,about 200 birds who live in the same area, was observed Tuesday afternoon.
We have outer bands from the storm moving East to West which indicate the top of storm is onshore near our area. However,the winds are maximum of 15mph. Small squalls are already dumping rain around the area.
It appears as a possibility that Harvey may do the same thing that happened with the Cat 5 storm Carla in Sept 1961. It may sit off-shore and gain strength while gradually sliding East up the coast. My guess without any pattern of barometric pressures, is that it will landfall at Corpus Christi.
We will get a lot of rain,which we need, before the friction of the wind against the ground will pull it to the Northeast away from our area. A hurricane is a super low with winds rotating counterclockwise.
o/t: I said a prayer for you and your family as well as all residents- please be safe.
B
I guess those who thot George was punishment for keefer & terrones were right. Sordyl’s PEPP site commented Lopez’ Dance of the Lemon Principals is still happening. So I look to see who’s at George & it’s L Robertson who got in hot water at C Chavez (using kids severely as janitors on little pretexts). Chavez itself has a first time principalin PPS whose only claims in her bio are being bilingual and liberal passion. Nothing to indicate a track record of successfully implementing rigor in teachers to enable 3Rs for every child. It seems George is a principal dump site bcz parents are not organized and empowered.