Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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Thank you for your concern erose.
We are on the extreme NW side of the storm. Roads are passable with no problems other than small showers and winds gusting to 35mph sometimes. I drove the 28 miles to Orchestra practice and back Sunday afternoon in a light rain. There is little danger in the Texas Hill country.
The Houston area is a different thing, The land South of Buffalo Bayou is low around 50 feet MSL. Most of the flooding is along Braes Bayou that begins at the little town of Fulshear about 30 miles West of downtown Houston. Braes Bayou drains a large portion (maybe 150,000 acres) of the SW side of Houston and empties into the ship channel about two miles South of the turning basin. Braes Bayou also passes to the West and South of the large medical center SW of downtown.
This area always floods in any type of large rain event. There are many bayous in the Houston area. Some that are larger than the rivers in West Texas.
I am not surprised that Kyron’s backpack sat in the classroom with no one questioning its presence. Most people would be amazed at the amount of things left behind daily by school students.
Backpacks, coats, sweaters, books, lunch kits, hats, caps and any other thing that a student might carry. Teachers are constantly reminding students to not forget their stuff.
This gets worse when the students change classes each hour. The larger the class, the more stuff. Backpacks themselves add to the stuff because the students load them up sometimes with mom or dads help.
T. Ruth says:
August 27, 2017 at 6:51 pm
@Blink
I agree that it was just weirdly inserted there. The last name of the elderly relative has me more than curious now. Still looking for connections.
@Blink
Forgot to say: Thanks for verifying the name change.
It is in court records.
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ot I stumbled on this man who shares a name on the list. Crying shame his talents spent 28 years in Portland. Hehas the political elected officials’ nailed: “I told him, you’ve got a community problem.” http://www.oregonlive.com/performance/index.ssf/2010/09/robert_bailey_leaves_portland.html
Everyone
Please remember my post about the Harvey storm where I warned that the news media would use their imagination to enhance the stories.
WND has a lead story about water being up to roof levels of some houses with a photo of the Post Oak Lane exit from the West 610 freeway. This is an exit that passes directly over Braes Bayou leading to a large area known as Meyerland. There are no houses for a quarter of a mile in any direction. It is a commercial area. I have driven that exit many times. In fact, I have driven Post Oak Lane prior to the freeway being built. Four miles North, Post Oak Lane passes over Buffalo Bayou, one of the main feeds to the Houston Ship Channel.
I lived in Houston from May 1962 until April 1997 (35 years)so I know the city very well. All the high and low places and how to get around during a flood.
I wish the news media could turn off the “Gee Whiz” gene and get back to reporting factual information.
Thank you for the updates ATG. Glad you and yours are safe- although I know its awful.
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wrt Desiree. 1) her verbalizations re TMH invilvement are not consistant
with evidence. 2) her language is highly unusual ie “the Evil One.” I assumed her
hospitalizetion related to steroids. or, As an outlier, drugs or alcohol.
@Blink, something else?
Afaik there is a sealed court order re medical records of the parties so I would not wish to publish any rumor- substantiated or otherwise.
B
Rose says:
August 28, 2017 at 8:50 am
& Blink answered Yes.
Well, Fxxx. Why didn’t Underhill task him to Skyline premises to work 24/7 with mcso?
I’ll tell you why. Political. Political, she the one dispatched she said by Underhill being the scion of the powerful Judiciary, Public Safety big time Beaverton legislator. This case was politically Fxxxxx from Start. And she had no idea why a failed DA animal abuse prosecutor was called in, poor thing.
in some settings, an untethered “all will be revealed” is
comparable lang to “the Evil One”
OK The Name In Court Records?
please give us a break
no one has suggested any blighted fam member was
involved, just a loving now deceased grandfather attended.
To my point, I don’t know if its anyone grandparent.
An unrelated question though for you or anyone else who remembers and/or can link- does anyone remember the bust of a nearby (floabw) crack house or home on Skyline that netted a bunch of arrests just after Kyron’s disappearance?
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A Texas Grandfather says:
August 28, 2017 at 10:16 am
imo the backpack is isirrelevant.
the body whereabouts is relevant.
imo Porter has an Attachment Disorder. ADs swing both ways.
She did not attach over 9 months to a 7 yo male charge..
After 9 months the issue is she was not attached to Kyron himself.
No curiosity. No concern. wrt the Person of a 7 yo she had been responsible
for for 9 months. What 2nd grade teacher is wholly detached from the
whereabouts of a boy she’d seen in her classroom that day?
I venture to say she is disturbed.
I don’t feel like I have any specificity in assessing that setting and possible causation so I cant speak to the personality issues. That said, I am firm in my opinion her actions and non actions the day of the Science Fair were negligent. There is no getting around the fact that had she followed protocol, proper action on her part would have definitely sounded an alarm (of sorts) that a child in her charge was missing from Skyline School.
And lest anyone care to dispute that publicly or privately I invite them to use their resources to confirm that with the agency tasked with this criminal investigation. It is not in dispute by any person. To explain it away as a “stroke of luck” on behalf of a perpetrator is equally negligent, imo.
The backpack is very relevant for me for a variety of reasons.
B
Rose
Regarding your link about the manager of the Portland Opera company.
He of course is correct. The whole of the Portland government only cares about getting themselves elected. The people pay and get little for their money.
Having played in a symphony orchestra in my early twenties as well as singing in the chorus of a civic opera company, I can relate to the man’s frustration.
Fine arts such as he promoted is no longer the purvey of the young. They instead support the grunge music of today that sometimes barely passes as music.
The schools do a miserable job of teaching music because of the trophy system promulgated by the state music associations and the fall football programs. In order to get a trophy, they play the same three pieces for months at the middle and high school levels. The half-time shows are scripted and played each time the football team plays. The same show to mostly the same audience over and over.
It has taken twenty years of patience on my part to build our community band to thirty plus regular members and to raise their playing skills to the professional level. Today, we draw audiences of several hundred at a lot of events. The Lion’s club in Kingsland fills their pancake breakfast fund raiser with three to five hundred when we play. One of the libraries had an attendance of nearly 250 the last time we played a concert at their location.
Rose you started from the end of the list and I started from the beginning after I tried random looking. The Rn threw me since no one with the last name starting with n. I got to the E’s. Now there is a name change thrown in and I gave up yesterday. I will look for the bust next door to Skyline.
If I have not mentioned in a while I have been remiss. What an amazing group of advocates this site boasts.
I remain truly humbled by all of you.
B
the backpack is very relevant to the investigation. My feeling is saying Porter didn’t notice the backpack’s presence is a red herring. Theissue is she did not notice and did not care about the ABSENCE of a 7 yo boy SHE had been responsibke for for 9 months for 6 hours! And imo Jine 4 was likely far from the only day she was negligent wrt the education of Kyron Horman. Between her & Terri, I know who the loser was when it came to the education of Kyron daily.
Agreed and well stated.
B
https://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/metal-theft-ring-suspects-arrested/article_8d09b3f0-5f46-11e1-aec0-0019bb2963f4.html
Here is an article on the metal theft ring bust next to Kyron’s school in 2012.
That’s it and thank you.
As an example of something I could never connect directly and likely only came about because of folks searching their own property or SAR activity it is my experience that when illegal activity is occurring next to a school and along the backroads, if uninvolved (Kyron) they may be great witnesses to any trespassing or say, any sort of recon work.
I wonder if those questions were posed to them? It appears the owners of the property at the time rented out the farm.
What are the chances this dude has the same name? Not really, but you see what I mean:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2011/04/oregon_city_man_who_sold_steroids_to_canby_cop_also_sold_to_a_man_who_became_an_oregon_state_univers.html
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Blink, I believe the bust you’re referring to was at the house next to the little store near Skyline. IIRC, it was a chop-shop and drug bust.
ATG, Thank you for the update, and glad to hear it. God Bless the Gulf.
TRuth and Blink, Hope your lead pans out. We know you’ll share when you can. Godspeed for Kyron.
A Wilsonville man is charged with 54 counts of encouraging child sex abuse after Corvallis police say they found thousands of photos of child sex abuse on his phone.
Police arrested Corey Robert Koch on Monday, spokesman Lt. Daniel Duncan said. Detectives began investigating after Koch was arrested in Corvallis on April 13 for allegedly spying on an undressed woman through her window, Duncan said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/police_thousands_of_child_sex.html
You may recall many years ago ( and may not have even been this case) I quoted Roy Hazelwood re paraphilias of sexual deviants. “Find one find more”. He is a dangerous freak and I hope he never sees the outside of a prison again.
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what was going on in Oregon w/ drug mfg in 02/10
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/06/drug_cartels_in_oregon_rise_an.html
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here’s 6/22/10 arrests http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2010/06/four_hillsboro_residents_arrested_after_drug_bust_on_two_homes_and_two_cars_police_say.html
Interesting as we know a DEA agent accompanied RSE on the infamous “sting”.
B
Apparently a key piece of evidence we have all overlooked. I see it as innocuous because I would expect books, papers and maybe a lunch. What would that tell us?
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The backpack is very relevant for me for a variety of reasons.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
1. It was evidence that Terri walked back out to the truck with Ky and Kitty to retrieve it, and that they went to the classroom to hang it. Very important from a time stamp perspective.
2. It was evidence that hung in class all day yet never sparked a concern for Kyron’s whereabouts all day.
3. It was evidence he intended to eat lunch there.
4. It was evidence (coupled with the jacket) that he left without it.
5. It was evidence that LE never so much as asked to see, touch, or review its contents.
6. Re-read #5 when you get up off the floor.
B
who was that Freddie Aristad Sanchez
at 147 nw cornelius pass who had
also lived in Salem anyway Blink?
I remember Blink you said Porter was a single parent of a boy near kyron’s age. Maybe that explains why she not only didn’t care about his absence, she was probably relieved. My theory is she was “rejecting” of kyron all year and it had something to do with being overwhelmed with her managing own boy plus newish demanding job. armchair speculation.
Kyron was under great pressure all school year: fighting parents vs newly married parents, father tempermental on steroids the year before; father-brother conflict & brother’s disappeared & moved out; new sister/teething crying; critical & negligent teacher. would he have turned to someone outside the family for succor?
Rose- I have never said anything about Porter’s marital status because I don’t know it- iirc her son was a few years older than Kyron.
B
thinking on the Sting with a DEA agent present (presumeably to identify drugs found in a
search and to make a Federal arrest, imo what mcso wanted was access to the
house for a warrantless search. Imo Kaine was cleared out/moved
out so whatever drug the DEA agent
identified inside would be deemed hers, & she arrested for possession,
I suggest the Sting was not a mfh entrapment–mcso knew that was a false
narrative–but the Sting was an intended drug (plant) arrest.
With her DUI, think of the believeability.
I would not be surprised if meth were planted or asked K’s assistance.
Imo mcso was a crooked agency with deputies well capable of that.
Normally I would agree with you Rose- but there was a complete lack of concern about the roids issue among LE in totality. MCSO and the FBI had cart blanche consent access for weeks prior to the search- the issue was never mentioned during the sting and to my knowledge RSE had no connection to anything roids related. I don’t care what anyone says, if you know that the Union expressly dismissed including steroids as an illegal drug (for LE testing purposes) in their contract, that in and of itself should be viewed as the overall sentiment of LE in the region. Keep in mind this occurs during an ODOJ “sanction” and agreement re the use of force against mentally ill persons after a very long and tedious investigation. Um, who does that make sense to, exactly?
One of the things to consider is that “at the time” the FBI was still very active in the case- and I can tell you from my interviews to date that “sting” excluded them.
I don’t need that info to know that there was already a breakdown in case direction. The house was wired, a call to 911 re tresspass ensues in the middle of a guy she names as trying to extort her and a deputy responded (he was aware it was a sting, but she never was). If anyone wanted to plant anything they certainly could have- although I don’t know why they would considering there were between 10-20 people (daily LEO up to 20 hours) and that very morning People was interviewing Kaine in the home- how would they have established who they would frame?
B
Terri has escaped the nefarious attempts by mcso & her ex to have her arrested multiple times by the skin of her teeth, but lost 2 children, maybe 3 as Kaine worked to turn James against her.
The backpack is an important sign that the teacher is not telling the truth. In every class I taught, the room was surveyed for things left behind by a student. They were examined to determine which pupil left the item. Then they were moved to an open shelf unit to be held until the student returned to claim them.
The metal theft ring operating in the vicinity of Skyline is a new element to me. This means that the whole area was under surveillance for material to be stolen. Copper and aluminum are the favorite targets. These thieves will steal copper pipe by actually cutting it out of an installed system and the same for electrical wiring.
Thieves often talk among their groups when they find something that may interest others. This means they would share information about the area and opportunities.
Would this be information that human traffickers would have an interest in? Very likely.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2010/06/oregon_city_man_faces_federal_charges_in_indictment_stemming_from_canby_police_corruption_case.html
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This Casey Paul Jackson was in court on June 4 2010 so he could not be the Paul Jackson on the SF list.
Yes Ode, thank you, I know- the other Casey Jackson was arrested next to the school as per your link. I just found the 2 Casey Jackson thing interesting.
B
Harrington on list c/be on Linton Commty Ctr Board, age 54 now
ot this is a hoot. only this morning I iadvertantly stumbled on so many negative articles about PPB based on this employee’s words & actions. He particularly criticizes Fed judges. Houze took on and won one nice case involving a
teenager. http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/370375-253482-portland-police-union-taking-pr-push-nationwide-
I wonder why Beaudoin was not charged, esp since his testimony was not needed agst Jackson.
He is still a public safety officer at OSU. Isn’t that something?
Well, my dots aren’t taking me anywhere, so putting this on the back burner.
My brain is tired of playing “Six Degrees from Kevin Bacon”.
OT One can see why in 2009 Comm
Cogen spoke outagainst continued
funding for mcso’s narcotics special investigation unit.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/county_unit_tackling_drug_deal.html
OT http://www.wweek.com/news/schools/2017/08/30/a-4-year-old-was-repeatedly-attacked-by-a-classmate-portland-public-schools-didnt-stop-the-bullying/ I hereby place a bet the incompetent principal Porter-Lopez is the wife of PPS’ well-demonstrated (by PEPP) ‘ #2 Admin Lopez. I wonder if Andrea Porter has any ties to our Ms Porter? If so, imo Lopez ensured Skyline’s Porter did just fine personally.
O/T
http://abc13.com/harvey-horror-shivering-girl-3-found-clinging-to-drowned-mom/2356502/
OMG, this is so sad. It made me cry.
I know. I can’t stand it. Her Mother saved her baby, God rest her soul.
B
ot see pics. newly promoted to Skyline principal (F13) Sage with her teammate Porter-Lopez (who was Rieke principal, Woodlawn in F14) https://www.portlandsocietypage.com/2013/07/03/playworks-4th-annual-kickball-fundraiser-raises-41450-to-help-kids/
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts/communications/docs/Staff-Directory-2013-14-V03.pdf
In 13 Lopez was a Cluster Supv, & the Lincoln cluster supv who promoted Sage was Perrins, PEPP’s other most held in contempt Supv. Wonder where Perrins was in 2010?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/08/ne_portlands_woodlawn_school_c.html
Hah.
well in 2011 Perrins was a mere k-8 principal
@ Jason Lee and 2 yrs later he’s a 2-cluster
supv and then pps chief of staff. http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts/communications/pps-report-11/docs/PPS-Annual-Report-2011-8-5×11-English.pdf
We are going to need to teach water safety to all drivers that live in flood prone areas.
This mother got off the street and into a parking lot, then she abandoned her car. We don’t have information about the conditions she actually confronted. If it was a big box store parking lot, the place to be is as close to the building as possible. All those lots slope towards a drainage pond or ditch with the highest point at the building.
Flood waters are moving towards a lower elevation and they have considerable current most of the time. We will never know, but she probably drowned in less than three feet of water because the current knocked her down and she could not recover.
Small cars are the least safe in flood waters. They float easier than heavy vehicles. I have driven my suburban in water nearly three feet deep (up to the door handles) in a flood in Houston. It weighed 4800 lbs.
This was an accident of nature that the woman did not understand how to handle, but the child’s angels were looking after her and she survived.
ot What I was taught about flash floods is you never drive into it bcz you don’t know how deep it is and currents are strong. Cars are easily washed off the road and upended. The average person has come to think of cars as all powerful imo.
Agreed. And I also believe strongly there is a great deal of impromptu emergency responses that one never really thinks to prepare for, or maybe even “can”. I don’t know how much of this is folks reluctant to leave, or thinking optimistically until it is too late, but I had a friend in SC displaced last year who lived there all of his life and had never seen such a catastrophe and until the water was up to his waist and he was hauling his pets in tupperware on top of the water, he did not believe it was possible.
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erose says:
August 29, 2017 at 9:28 pm
5. It was evidence that LE never so much as asked to see, touch, or review its contents.
6. Re-read #5 when you get up off the floor.
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You have got to be kidding.
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Hey Kaine and Desiree – How about calling on some help with your kid’s case? Terri didn’t do it. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF! Hasn’t it entered your mind to ask for some help on your kid’s case, even if your are still not sure about Terri? I believe that you probably read here, or people in your orbit do. Don’t you want to find him?
I just don’t get it.
I see the significance of the backpack being left behind and I can’t believe it’s not in evidence much less checked for it’s contents. I too thought Porter was single and only recently here learned she had a child and that her child was a Skyline student. I am hung up on who Kyron was not listening to and why. Just seems like a good place to start especially if it was new behavior. Was there ever and real reason given for why he couldn’t leave his room in the mornings or was that fake.
He was NOT a Skyline student Erose.
The “evidence” Kyron could not leave his room in the am (although I think the characterization from Kaine was that he had to sit on his bed) was once again, imo, exploitive of the truth. As we know, Kyron was experiencing enuresis. He was utilizing a medically recommended training program in conjunction with a device that would alert him/sound if he wet the bed. Part of that program (if you will) was reward based for non-incidents and discussions and steps for improvement for either scenario so it was recommended a parent was there as close to his wake time as possible.
It wasn’t a weird control thing of a 6-7 year old, it was a Pediatrician recommended strategy for the issue.
B
Google Emery brothers Seattle.
the List. Are 3 k mccormicks in Portland,
2 interesting. Do you know which this was?
No idea.
B
This article was two days ago. Really tells the backstory. Maybe related to Lindsay Baum
http://citylivingseattle.com/Content/News/City-News/Article/Three-elderly-brothers-arrested-after-mountain-of-child-pornography-found/22/167/91941
Will have lots to say about this as it unfolds.
B
5. It was evidence that LE never so much as asked to see, touch, or review its contents.
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They don’t have it??!!
They do not. Never looked at it, asked to see it, asked what was in it, etc.
Terri discovered it was missing when she was asked (again) to review the contents of Kyron’s room and to see if anything had been amiss (common question looking for leads). She noticed it was missing and in retrospect “assumed” DY had taken it because she mentioned it to LE and they told her it was not important. I believe I have heard Kaine answer the question (early) re the whereabouts of the backpack and he responded (wtte) “I think we have that” but indicated LE kept the science project. But according to depositions neither Kaine nor Terri knew DY removed his backpack (for sure) until she mentioned it was hanging on her bed post.
In no way do I condone her taking it without permission for a variety of reasons (investigatively I do not agree it had no value, obviously) but I am a Mother who has sentimental attachments to things of my children’s they think ridiculous.
I don’t think I could say for sure I would not have done the same thing in her shoes, considering.
B
1. It was evidence that Terri walked back out to the truck with Ky and Kitty to retrieve it, and that they went to the classroom to hang it. Very important from a time stamp perspective.
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Isn’t it true though, that is only evidence if, in fact someone(s) (witness) saw them walk in *without it* in the first place? Otherwise, how would one know it wasn’t there to begin with…….unless, of course, there are submitted photos of an earlier time-frame of the backpack already hanging on the wall when TMH says she had to go back and retrieve it?
Correct. There are witnesses who saw the trio hit the doorway, turn around and walk back to the truck and then return to that same door. As I understand it there are also witnesses who saw them on both “legs” of that trip. Technically speaking, the backpack is also evidence insomuch as its contents were retrieved and documented in front of witnesses.
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The strangest thing I remember hearing early on in regards to the backpack, was an interview done at DY’s home (along with the unmad…. for weeks bed) was that Kyron’s backpack was hanging on the bed post. I’d have to go look for it, but I was like…….how many backpacks does this kid have? I’m old, not from the backpack era, but I just remember that being sort an odd thing that the press reported.
You are 100% correct on that T.Ruth.
DY removed it from Kyron’s bedroom at the Hormans. Both Kaine and Terri learned where it ended up from that Dateline episode.
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@Rose, he we go round the Multnomah bush, the Multonomah bush, the Multnomah bush…….
Prosecutors knew who owned the car, but not who was driving it. Hanna’s lawyers — by the end, he had three — had handed over the Cayenne but didn’t know whether police had reliable witnesses. (At first, they didn’t even know the victim’s name. The first thing Multnomah County Deputy District Attorney Jim Hayden did when he got the case was to ask a judge to seal the police report). Both sides were fishing for information.
http://www.hingson.com/author/admin/
You said this guy was at Skyline on June 4? Why? Did he have a kid there?
If DY would take that, which did not belong to them, either she and/or Tony were capable of taking anything that didn’t belong to them from the Horman home, including on that first June 4 night imo. “Get me out of here” could have had more than one reason behind it.
I don’t understand the need to take it without asking. I am sure that once checking with LE as to whether or not they needed it, they would have given it to her. Regardless, it was Kyron’s and if I am keeping things “as is” for his return it should have stayed in its usual spot. That said- as I said earlier, I do understand the attachment to it.
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