Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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@ATG
Are you saying your Redcross relief centers charge people? Doesn’t happen here when they’re set up. Wow.
I do know that it’s hard to get donations “earmarked” when donating to such a huge organization. I actually prefer to donate to local churches and local food banks when I know who and where they are, and or if here, volunteer as well.
O/T When people are arrested, such as the Emery bros, are they required to immediately give DNA now and have it entered into CODIS?
No. The sample must be gleaned from a court order and it would need a warrant (prob cause)to be tested against anything- but it could only be entered into CODIS via completed adjudication of the matter that subjected its “sample” in the first place.
THAT SAID (and this is not what you asked me but I thought it prudent to mention) there is some case law (and a case I profiled for moot court)that supports usage of DNA samples that were obtained legally, a case ended up being overturned and therefore no longer subject to the statutory DNA retrieval, YET because the sample had been in CODIS there ended up being a hit in a rape case.
B
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A Texas Grandfather says:
September 3, 2017 at 10:15 pm
Thank you for your Texas donation T.Ruth.
I hope it goes to Texas relief. I have little faith in the Red Cross from experience. They do not offer much in relief activities and when they provide food services from a truck in a stricken area, they always charge. May as well have a commercial food truck as to have the Red Cross.
They are the single reason for the “United Fund” drives in communities. Their misappropriation of donations caused the public to stop donating to them in the 1950′s. Then they helped organize the United Fund with their organization getting the largest share of donations. The Salvation Army is a much more reliable group.
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The above statements about the Red Cross are false and were debunked decades ago. They originated in rumors out of WWI and WW2, when badly phrased press reports and poorly structured interviews suggested that soldiers had to pay for RC assistance. At one time and only one time, with appropriate decision making behind it that was eventually changed, some GIs were charged modest fees for food and lodging off bases. Nothing was a rip off. GIs had expenses otherwise, unassociated with the RC, in many of the wars this country has fought.
President Eisenhower spoke on this subject to begin the process of debunking the b.s. stories about The RC charging for war zone emergency services, using donated Japanese blood on GIs, etc.
I have worked with the poor, the elderly and the displaced for too many years to allow someone to slander the Red Cross. I have worked with local RC chapters when people are displaced due to apartment building fires, or because of our own much less serious flooding in our region. Our awful blizzards can trap people in their cars on highways — Red Cross volunteers have reached them using farm tractors the size of small buildings.
I read this forum to see if someday there is great news — or yes, tragic news — that cleanly ends the story of Kyron Horman.
The Red Cross has been incompetent at times — incompetence is not corruption and it is not misleading or lying to the public. As many of us have seen over the years, disasters have at times been so enormous that one charitable agency cannot possibly come close to meeting the emergency needs of all victims. In war time, the RC was also working with a highly organized set of partners — the militaries of our country and other countries. In disaster scenes such as Katrina or Sandy or Harvey, the RC cannot and must not be viewed as one-stop shopping for all help needed. There is NO need to slander it in order to encourage donations be steered toward other organizations. A Jewish charity I support is on the ground in Houston and I send donations to that charity, PLUS the Red Cross, and also a regional (and very huge) food bank system down there. You find out what each organization does before you donate — you don’t smear the work of one to get money for another.
I just won’t stand to see lies told about The Red Cross. They do NOT charge people for food at disaster sites!!
Nelmel
http://www.snopes.com/red-cross-charging-victims-hurricane-harvey-disaster-relief-services/
http://www.snopes.com/medical/emergent/redcross.asp
NelMel-
I am posting this because while o/t, I think it is fair to ask for facts or to present a person’s perspective with their alternate facts to balance a discussion. WHat I edited were your comments re a specific poster(s)- not allowed here and to be honest, you have offended me personally with some of them- not that I believe that matters to you.
Disagreeing with people does not have to be disrespectful or personal when we are dealing with opinions.
B
O/T
News is reporting that the result of the illegal arrest of the nurse for lawfully refusing a blood test, has caused the hospital to direct that nurses can no longer work with LE. LE must work with a doctor or senior administrator.
If the Utah state police and other agencies do not retrain their people, they may find themselves locked out of hospitals and medical facilities. Both officers have been placed on leave.
I know that there was a head-on crash into the tractor-trailer by the pickup truck. That is an 80,000lb vs a 4,000lb mass-force relationship. The big guy always wins although the driver of the rig was badly burned. It was the rig driver that the nurse protected from the illegal activity of the officer/dect.
The highway were the accident occurred, is not busy and has a good surface. I drove that highway in 1999 in the early afternoon on the way to Logan after visiting Promontory Point.The place where the golden spike was driven to join the rails for transcontinental travel. Something I learned about in my history book in 1943.
When did Dy remove the backpack from Kyron’s room? If she thought he was still alive and would be found soon, (or if TMH had him stashed and would return him soon) wouldn’t she have left it at the Horman’s so he’d have it to return to school? Wouldn’t it have been full of schoolbooks and schoolwork, which he might need to turn in to the school upon his return?
IDK, maybe it was an item she actually purchased for him and she left the contents at the H’s, that might explain her desire, but still, for me doesn’t explain the thought process that was going on her brain, i.e., he wouldn’t need it.
cd 9-2 What is a jedi? other than star wars?
oldladysmith says:
September 4, 2017 at 8:42 pm
cd 9-2 What is a jedi? other than star wars?
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In the first star wars movie the character Obi-Wan Kenob(a jedi) tells authorities who are about search Luke Skywalkers ship.
Using the Jedi(force) to mind control the authorities Obi-Wan said to them
” These are not the droids you are looking for, Move along”
The two city guards immediately repeated what Obi-Wan said and walked away.
I was wondering how TY and DY were able to just remove evidence and suggested (not seriously) that maybe TY was a Jedi and used the force.
f I had been an investigator I for sure would want to know the contents of that backpack.
“you do not need to know what is in this backpack, Move along”
IMO
Maybe TY is a Jedi
Just an attempt at humor.
ot @ATG Suggests in the SLC hospital, most drs and admins are male…..
imo Blondie & Payne would’ve erupted and acted illegally with anyone on the admin food chain. Payne said he was directed in his actions by his Supv, & I believe it. But Blondie’s patter when she was handcuffed reflected systemic problems in the PD no amount of training would cure. He repeatedly said “my law.” He insisted if he acts illegally there are civil remedies for the trucker. (That seems to be the mcso & pps mantra too.) That is, acting illegally to achieve an “LE objective” was systemically acceptable because the burdened citizen could file a civil tort suit (he says)–which overlooks the citizen’s cost, trouble, and the vargaries of a just outcome — and $ compensation in any case is not a tradeoff for blood that coukd have criminal jeopardy attached. This was a habitual way of thinking and talking in that PD. It seems also characteristic in Multnomah–County pays as govt employees create citizen woes.
@Blink. do you kniw which judges were schrunk/frink’s
go tos for warrants in summer 2010 (tho it was Underhill supervising
evidence collection & LE coordination at the time
I gather)
I would be guessing by deduction Rose, so no.
B
PPS’ coverup of the events at Skyline June 4 was probably not nefarious but rather institutional neglect, personnel laziness, ineptitude if this is an illustration:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/371135-254289-portland-teacher-returns-to-jail-
PPS institutionally Reminds me of an inner city Detroit or DC school district back at its worst. The latter two have improved, or tried, PPS has not. Supt Carol may be have likeable &
well intended, but should not have been in charge of anything. btw underhill’s kids did not attend pps.
T.Ruth
The Red Cross is great at providing cots and blankets at relief centers and not much else. The field operations regarding food and other supplies is where they were charging a fee. This would be from a truck operating in an area damaged from a storm. They do very little actual rescue work, but sometimes provide minor first aid services.
O/T again!
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/371135-254289-portland-teacher-returns-to-jail-
As Portland students returned to school last week, Portland Public Schools special-education teacher Andrew Oshea returned to jail. But Portland Public Schools stopped paying him on Thursday, Aug. 31, nearly a month after the Portland Tribune first highlighted his case.
Oshea’s Monday, Aug. 28 arrest for probation violations in Hood River marks the longtime educator’s sixth trip to county jail since Portland Public Schools put him on paid administrative leave nearly two years ago — and raises fresh questions about the beleaguered district’s ability to hold the line on teacher misconduct.
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cd thanks I think he’s a thief her too.Tony of all people should know better.Why didn’t they take the jacket? The back pack must have been important to them.
The procession will be leaving the West End Building (WEB) at ***4104 Kruse Way, Lake Oswego at 1145 A.M. where it will travel down Country Club Rd. towards the Lake Oswego City Hall (eta 1200-1205), there the motorcade will be joined by the Lake Oswego Police Department, and the Duncan Family. The motorcade will proceed along “A” Avenue to State Street, turning south towards McVey. They will continue along McVey to Stafford Rd.
At Stafford Rd. and Overlook, there will be 2 Fire Department ladder trucks set up with a flag salute to Chief Duncan (1215-1220). They will continue along Stafford to the church (1230-1245).
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8606.565;wap2
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The above funeral was the morning of June 4, 2010, LE was there from all around the area and in fact the state.
Does anyone remember if the report of the stolen GPS that morning in LO was anywhere near the above funeral route? I’m wondering, since LE was all over the place in different vehicles, if perhaps the stolen GPS belonged to LE?
NelMel
I was not posting about events from WWII. I was posting about the Red Cross relief efforts from storms and floods. In addition, I do not post about bad behavior without having direct experience.
I have actually paid for a sandwich and drink from a Red Cross food truck that was in an area where a tornado had created extensive damage. This happened in Houston in a neighborhood where our oldest children lived.
And the story about the Red Cross and the United Fund is also from my experience in the mid 1950′s.
@NelMel says:
September 4, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Hi Nel! Where have you been? I miss your pasta! Thanks for that info. I certainly can’t say what goes on anywhere other than where I’ve lived, (which aren’t too many places), but the RC has never charged for food in any of the shelters that have been set up where I’ve lived.
I truly miss your input, and thanks for being a volunteer!
So happy to see you NelMel and so glad you corrected the facts about the RC from hx and personal knowledge we readers lack background in. While one weighs from time to time whether to engage fixed differing points of view, the reputation of a worldwide service org does matter. My callous self tho when asked at the grocery for a RC donation replied: when the Congressional Republicans pass the Harvey aid bill, I’ll follow their example.
I know there’s been discussion about KH having an affair while TMH was pregnant with baby k; were you able to confirm that Blink? (or at any time during their marriage for that matter.)
If it can be said that TMH abducted Kyron to get back at KH, why couldn’t it be the person KH was having an affair with doing the same?
Shes never been interviewed by LE to my knowledge, so I do not know. I am going to defer the specifics of what I know and have verified on the extramarital issue except to say I have no reason to believe it was going on when TH was pregnant.
B
@Blink “l when we are dealing with opinions. B”
True, however wrt the RC opinions were presented as facts
which is likely the source of NM’s concern.
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Desiree presented herself in 2010 as Tony doing everything.
She said she was too enervated to open her car
door at Horman’s, so Tony had to do it. She said once there
she was too upset when Terri said I loved yr son to speak
to Terri for herself, perhaps to object, or to say thank you for yr hospitality,
but we must go now, and leave. Rather, she told
Tony “get me out of here” like she was a passive object he’d carry out.
So, I doubt she took the bag either. Imo, he did
whether at her request or not. Perhaps he even
sent it to a PD lab for testing.
So if you’ve been reading the PPS latest, Admin Lopez’ defenses to scandels
on his watch, you’ve been reminded in Oct 2016 in a K-8 school, one if not two, teachers were under criminal investigation for sexually whatever student offenses which theprincipal had knowledge of but did not address. http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2016/10/portland_police_investigating.html
So one wonders if either of those 2 staffers previously taught at, or had friendly colleagues at, Skyline? And at the same time said principal went on paid Admin Leave only to be given moreresponsibilitythis year by Lopez who said he’d had a “lapse” and now needed an opportunity to be “redeemed.” My Q1 is what was his lapse? he is apparenly married to a successful female principal, maybe a friend of Looez’ principal K-8 wife?
Who the eff vetts these people in the first place already?
B
@NelMel. imo don’t hold yr breath for a case resolution. It will take Slickie/Sickie lSZ getting caught after other offenses by a more competent PD, or Desiree getting off her self-absorbed, if not psychotic, dime about Who Dun It, say suing pps and mcso on any pretext, and demanding transfer of the case to a competent jurisdictional agency. imo she won’t. Personally I feel sorry for Son 1. moving in w/a gf while still a teen, commty college, cook. not the dream of Underhill, Hayden, or probably the McCulloughs for their son. what’s to come when a teen visits mom who keeps an unmade bed and backpack & denies reality wrt a brutally kidnapped brother. a typical boy would cling to her–to make her well–and take a “partner”, and a “job” with a concrete output. PS NelMel, We need your ideas.
ot
oh gosh http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/09/portlands_interim_superintende.html#incart_river_mobile_home
& iirc the supv of lincoln school cluster on 6/4/10 is his no 2.
desiree was handicapped by knowing squat about public schools.
Or, imo she woukd’ve left Son 1 to finish his St Yr in his longterm HS cohort.
ot this article reveals, surprisingly, that the police cam “Blondie” is Payne’s Supervisor & Lt who came to the scene. Both need to lose police certifications imo: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-the-utah-good-nurse-bad-cop-video-says-about-medical-privacy/amp
NelMel says:
September 4, 2017 at 3:57 pm
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The above statements about the Red Cross are false and were debunked decades ago. They originated in rumors out of WWI and WW2, when badly phrased press reports and poorly structured interviews suggested that soldiers had to pay for RC assistance.
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I really have no opinion on the Red Cross i think they probably have and will continue to help many people in the midst of disasters.
That being said. My mother did not like the Red Cross. She told me that during the depression when her and their family had to line up in food lines that the Red Cross collected money for food. When churches gave out food for free
But that was then and is probably not the case now.
Rose
I agree about your assessment of the police officers behavior in the Utah case. Some people have no business in LE or the criminal justice system. There are a lot of good people who share the blame when a yahoo such as those two misbehave.
Who the eff vets?
Supt Carole vetted and promoted. Apparently she toured Lopez’ school (a principal) in 2007 and took him (and his wife principal) to the top of Admin. She made Newsome & his wife principals (one of them apparently competent). Lopez & Newsome are 2 who give miniority promotions to increase admin diversity a bad name. Under her watch apparently paid admin leave for lengthy peroids was routine and sexual pecadillos of staff at school (or in the Admin bldg) ignored. Ignored by press as well til Barnes came to O and Monaham to WW. I’d be surprised if tge Lincoln cluster Supt hadn’t stopped in on 6/4 due to the “new IB” thing…that’s the Sasha P dude. not on the list.
o/t TRuth
After the Wubbel’s fiasco in Utah, you have to wonder if this evidence is fruit from the poisonous tree.
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According to Newsweek a detective walked into the Aegis of Queen Anne on Galer facility, took a swab from Charles’s mouth as he slept and then woke him and started questioning him.
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Excellent catch to point that out erose- I do believe that is poorly worded “daily mail style”. I have read the affidavits (initial) which accompany the charges (particulars) and it does appear to me the affiant had a warrant prior to hitting the care facility. It would certainly be an interesting argument if the permission to take his DNA was granted by his conservator, who is also his accuser re the sexual abuse allegations.
B
o/t FWIW, My anecdotal stories about the RC line up with ATG’s.
o/t Maybe this explains our differing experiences with the RC…
snip> Local chapters, yes; it’s their community’s disaster. The national Red Cross, unlikely;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-walden/the-red-cross-coming-home_b_7653.html
Sorry, can’t let it go, perhaps I should have combine in all in the same post.
http://www.npr.org/2015/06/03/411524156/in-search-of-the-red-cross-500-million-in-haiti-relief
Thank you erose. I think I want to point out that for the most part what makes up a relief organization are dutiful and good-hearted volunteers like Nelmel and I don’t blame them for being defensive – they don’t have any input as to finance directives and they DESERVE the right to take pride in their advocacy and many times grueling work under really horrible conditions. This gets to the heart of it for me:
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482020436/senators-report-finds-fundamental-concerns-about-red-cross-finances
“The most important thing [from the report] is an unwillingness to level with the people exactly where the money went,” Grassley says. “There’s too many questions in regard to how the money was spent in Haiti … it gives me cause to wonder about other money being donated for other national disasters.”
ATG’s experience was factual and supported in the links provided that formed his opinion. What I found offensive was the implication that ANYONE here takes anything posted as fact without question and that has not been my experience with almost every reader/poster here. We can have a different experience or opinion individually that may not agree with another’s but BOC is definitely a lemming-free zone. When I consider that the contributors to this site are largely made up of folks that take almost nothing at face value and expect weighted analysis to rule the day I am always going to be respectful of that perspective whether I agree or not.
As it relates to topical conversation here, we have a Dad with a foundation and a Mom with a gofund me in her sisters name that has paid legal fees for a self-dismissed lawsuit and some other undisclosed reporting. If people choose to donate to their respective funds accordingly I consider it their obligation to research them (if important to them).
B
B
There’s conservators of $ and conservators of the person. I doubt she had the latter. And if she did and was giving permission where criminal jeopardy attached, she woukd’ve been wise to involve Court approval first.
Whether or not the detective had a warrant, it was dumb to take it while asleep, and dumber to question in a nursing home after awakening without some treating dr present to do a quick mental status exam first. Tho detective likely knew what that woukd show by his behavior. Maybe our PDs have deteriorated over the last 25 years as vets have hiring preferences, are men who at 18 elected the army over college, and return from service after unspeakable traumas.
She had POA (general) as he had been declared legally incompetent. For all intent and purpose that means she had the legal authority to act “as him” in any matter. I believe this appointment was what sent the brothers scurrying for a week in the first place. I have found some weird probate entries that need exploration as well. I am going to have to agree with you that as a victim (alleged) there is a need for independent warrant outside of consent, but we only have press accounts to go on so far. I get the impression LE knows they dropped the ball on this in 2013, so there’s that.
B
How can one research Desiree’s sister’s expenditures. She has no responsibility to report to anyone. only her banker knows. And kaine has no obligation to file tax returns for a small foundation and iirc has not since those rules loosened.
Rose, respectfully that is incorrect as to Kaine’s foundation- tax returns must be filed and failure to do so timely (this has happened to it a few times) will spur an administrative dissolution. Those returns must be requested directly from them and they do not have a 501c3 postcard status (iirc falls under $50k- MCSO SAR has this statussince 2013).
On the go fund me, those non-deductible donations fall under “gift status” , however, I can tell you that according to gfm’s rules that fund being deposited for third parties is a violation- they get a portion from the top so I doubt they care to review these accounts. I am waiting for the first gfm lawsuit or “appearance” within litigation for subpoena records , but they openly acknowledge cooperation procedures:
https://www.gofundme.com/form/subpoena
I think MCSO SAR financials would be most telling as they link to former director Olsen and received earmarked donations as well.
B
Blink, I wholeheartedly agree. I think what may account for our differing experiences is what the Huff Post blog said. One experience at the local level v the national level. My though is any timeanyone volunteers or donates it is a gift. If someone abuses that gift it’s on them.
In Regards to the Red Cross:
Consider this: There is the international portion of the organization, the U.S. national organization and each state and local organizations. Each level has to have management and they must also abide by the general rules of the overall organization.
Do they all follow the guideline procedures? Probably not, especially at the local level. That is were the real volunteer work comes into play.
Suppose a local chapter has run low on funds and a manager issues a directive for collection of money for some services. This is how the public sees the RC and it does not taste good to the public. Or, the local chapter may have a volunteer who decides that they will charge for food or other services in an area away from supervision and put the money in their own pocket. This is theft, but it still reflects on the organization.
Since I am old enough to have lived during the Great Depression, my knowledge and experience is probably broader than most.
All public organizations must constantly work to keep the “bad apples” from creating difficulties for them. This exactly what we have seen with the public organizations operating in the Portland area concerning this topic. The public and specific members of the public are the victims of this behavior.
“Who the eff vetts these people in the first place already?”
In school systems, it is difficult to do proper vetting. The major reason is if someone has poor or even criminal behavior in a school the district will protect itself and its reputation by allowing such a person to resign and go their way. This keeps the knowledge away from the public.
Unless it becomes a criminal matter, the public rarely knows about prior behaviors or competence. There are ways to discover the correct information, but the effort is seldom made.
This is how we have 6th grade English teachers who cannot read a ruler or find the center of a poster board. Or, beginner music teachers who believe that people without a degree in music are unable to teach. Lacking the historical knowledge of when the public college and high school music programs began(in the second and third decades of the 20th century) they are ignorant of the fact that all music except for the long standing conservatories was taught by churches and private teachers. The arrogance of ignorance.
So much for a detective who breaks the rules http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2017/09/oregon_appeals_court_overturns.html#incart_river_mobile_home
I want to thank both erose and Blink for the links regarding the Red Cross and their failure in Haiti.
I have read the reports multiple times and each time it brings home the limitations of the Red Cross in managing large programs or projects. This is the exact type of behavior that made the public distrust the management in the 1950′s. Sixty plus years and little change in the management’s knowledge and behavior.
Labor costs in building houses is the largest about $2.50 per dollar of material costs in the United States. This is quite different in a country like Haiti. Twelve thousand per dwelling would have produced two thousand small homes.
The same home in the U.S would sell in the $60,000 range. Builders gross profit on such a dwelling is forty-five percent leaving $33,000 as the construction costs. Labor cost in Haiti are probably one quarter of the costs in the U.S and may be lower than that.
Building 2,000 homes where two floor plans and their reverse layout would have cut costs because of material management and as the construction workers gain experience, the time to build would have dropped further reducing the total cost. This was not intended to be a profit making venture.
I realize that there has been a special place in the government for the Red Cross since the time of the civil war where they contributed so much to the comfort and health of the wounded and all of it from volunteers.
I think it is time for Senator Grassley and his committee to realize that the Red Cross does not have the experience to operated outside normal relief activities and never fund them to do so.
Any time a non-profit organization has overhead costs greater that fifteen percent, it is time to question their activities related to expenditures.
Hah! it seems non-Shrunk-Frink trained DAs farm out ivestigations to the fbi.
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/utah-asks-fbi-investigate-police-nurses-rough-arrest-49687024
Federal investigatory Pretext: civil rights elements of the assault.
Reminder to Underhill, w/o a body, you still have civil rights violations
attheheart of the abduction of kyron.
tho PPS might have to be a joint investigative target…..
You can’t investigate your own agency and I am pretty sure this was a PR announcement to make it look like they were seeking transparency when the FBI was already investigating them over the accident itself and the fallout.
Wrt to Underhill- I do think calls to one’s physicians office for records they are not entitled to may be actionable. No wonder he stepped in as a “party” to the Horman dissloution when he did.
B
https://www.mcso.us/site/enforcement.php
see pic of Supv, Investigations. the public face of
the investigation at pressors dating to June 2010, and its Supv.
Just chunky, thick-necked, balding, or?…
june 7, 2010 why won’t desiree fight to get this hapless weeper off the case acter 7+ years?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/kyron-horman-school-crisis-mode-search-continues/story?id=10847733
And this why the FBI does not have jurisdiction:
FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said today that there’s not even enough evidence to classify the disappearance as an abduction.
One can also deduct from that statement: no evidence of a crime. That alone should have spawned a CPS inquiry.
Note the time, once again in stark contrast with the most recent public statements of DY,
“…last seen 9 am…”
Anyone taking the time to analyze facts over opinions (or taking sides of the most egreieved parent or step parent) has to factor the undisputed fact that Kyron Horman did not leave Skyline School with Terri Horman, it was not physically possible.
B
Underhill called Terri’s doctor for her med records, w/o a warrant?
Did he actuallt get them?
if so, hippa violation by doctor.
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It seems on June 7 beth ann
steele was unaware of Kyron’s egress with SZ.
I’m waiting for desiree’s “all will be revealed” promise
in her latest public note to Stacey.
Bobby was an activemember of the CAT when he joined the investigation. To me having a CAT detective investigate possible abuse inthe home satisfied the repoting (cps) requirement. If you have an abuse investigator, you don’t need a concurrent civilian neglect investigator. imo. this is how mult cty divvied up the investigatory tasks, there were no grounds for a neglect ivestigation in the home to open a neglect investigation
I agree with you that was the policy- I don’t agree with it [policy] as it usurps the “best interests of the child” standard and apparently it also changed (or was followed?) because CPS was involved with the acquitted defendant (Paraprofessional represented by Houze I believe has filed civil notice I do not want to use his name).
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Yes, “the detective investigating the case.” One detective with complete power over this man’s life.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/post_584.html
I hope Houze or a colleague gets the largest jury tort verdict in the history of the County against PPS and MCDA & his Union rep.
Interestingly, this man accused for following his job description under duress & over his objections was on leave without pay for 15 months when we have seen how universally Lopez & his HR Dir (Sasha?) have kept actual malefactors on years of Admin leave WITH pay. Of course, he’s not a minority nor lgbtq. If they get the records of all employees on a year or mire of AL with pay during the same time period, I bet they can file a (second) federal civil rights case based on sex and race discrimination wrt the pay issue.
o/t It is hard to believe Charles Emery’s victim/niece would want to take care of her uncle. Is it the twisted relationships that go along with sexual abuse, or someone waiting to seize an opportunity. The abuse was generational, I think past the niece to her daughter. I would want him busted if I were in her shoes especially if my child was a victim. Clever and kudos to her if she thought that thru. What you said, Blink about the legality of her giving consent for the DNA, etc. is an interesting legal issue, somewhat mute point for the perp as he doesn’t seem to grasp reality anymore, if he ever did. And yes, LE dropped the ball a few years ago, and we can assume many more balls have been dropped.
There are significant red flags for me all over the place- what abused person (who’s own Mother was also abused) lets her kid go to Hawaii with the abuser? I don’t want to generate conversation that I probably am unqualified to moderate (I am trained to profile and analyze the criminal pedophile and sexually motivated offenders, not victim outcomes or treatment per se) but a quick look at available court records in this case do not match some of the press reports (imagine that lol). As an example, the twin to Edwin has no file (removed from home, etc) and I have found court records that indicate at least 2 of the brothers were sued for paternity (at least one it looks like around the age of 17). There is way more to this overall story and I am hopeful it will be learned to the degree it can shed light so it cannot happen again- and God forbid, shed light on any current victims so that they might be free from such sick abuse.
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imo Blink in that case cps was involved bcz mother called cps herself. cps then, bcz it was of a sexual assault nature, called in the detective. Kyron is notable that neither bio called cps as this mother did. If Desiree believed Terri had abused or was abusing kyron, it is extraordinary she did not phone cps to request an investigation of the Horman home (which woukd’ve included interviews with James), esp with her “coach” husband knowing the reporting ropes.
Today is (or would be) Kyron’s 15th birthday. So why ftlog is this poster not updated with the new image?
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman
Btw, I posted one of the new flyers in a Roseburg store and it was removed by the following week by someone!!!! Ticked me off.
@Blink
Were you able to confirm through TMH whether or not Kyron was even assigned to a tour group that morning?
http://www.cafemom.com/group/416/forums/read/11585242/Missing_Oregon_boy_Kyron_Horman_Updated_Family_speaks_publicly_for_the_first_time_today
“Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.
“And she was like ‘oh no where’s Kyron there’s only five’ and Mrs. Porter was like it’s okay calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I’m going to leave and she left, ” says Tanner Pumala.
TMH was not present then, but yes, I was able to confirm Kyron was not put in a group (as you framed).
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I see on the Justice for Kyron gofundme page it says they have raised some $33K. Has anyone ever seen anyone post there and ask why they do not hire a private investigator with that money? Seriously, seven years gone by and they say the money is for upcoming searches? They don’t have a clue where to hold a search and that money has nothing to do with any search that LE may have on its agenda. Why not spend that money on a PI who might actually interview some people that might lead to finding Kyron? I just don’t get it. I don’t get why people would even donate to a search fund that goes nowhere and does nothing.
The only wife of the four suspected penny loafer pervert brothers disappeared after just three months of marriage, DailyMail.com has learned exclusively.
Sandra Emery’s husband claimed in court papers that he could never find her and eventually divorced her 17 years later after court efforts to locate her failed as well.
Sandra was married to Donald Emery, who died last fall aged 85. Police with cadaver dogs have been combing through his 14-acre property outside Shelton, Washington, since the weekend.
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Now the mystery of what happened to Sandra Emery, who would now be 77 if she is alive, is a new twist in the alarming case.
Court papers uncovered in Tacoma by DailyMail.com show that Donald filed for divorce from Sandra in May 1987. He said they married in Shelton in June 1970. According to a notice in the local paper Donald Emery, then 39, and Sandra Eddy, 30, took out a marriage license that month.
Eddy was the name of Sandra’s first husband, Henry, whom she married in 1956 when she was just 16, records show. Her maiden name was Hansen. Efforts by DailyMail.com to locate her have not been successful.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4838704/Wife-suspected-penny-loafer-pervert-brother-disappeared.html#ixzz4sE3Q7k1R
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Hansen? Geeze louise, where have I seen that name before?
Fourteen acres to search, that’s a lot of land. I wonder how long a cadaver dog can detect human remains underground? Anyone know?
0/t: I am aware of cadaver dogs hitting on civil war remains under the right conditions. I am aware that property was the subject of some non-compliance orders via the township (usually code enforcement) over the years so the owner had reason to believe it was (at the least) monitored to some degree and that would mean a code officer was on it from time to time. It is interesting that although one brother seemed to be investigated in 2013- these freaks never got rid of their stashes of child porn or abuse related objects. Just as an aside, this is very common among pedophiles in particular.
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