Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. rose says:

    re “Idk about the specifics here, but I can tell you it is pretty common in the PD line of work to have mandatory retirement from an agency and then rehire by some means- as a contractor, as an example. I see it pretty often.
    B”

    it’s not someone who wants to keep “younger men” from gaining and using the skills he uses. which he himself said it’s too hard for the young men. imo he needs more than weekly therapy and shoukdn’t be the sole medford pd fulltime on child porn.

  2. Ode says:

    Thanks for the reply Blink, I have been binge watching the first 10 episodes. They are only 35 minutes so easy to do.

    I have recently read some on the murder of David Grubbs from Ashland mentioned in Rose’s post. He was killed with a hatchet on a bike path. I don’t know what the “similar circumstances” were between the Colorado murder on a bike path and Abby and Libby’s murder in Delphi Indiana is. Speculation has been that Mr. Nations is fond of hatchets. Maybe they should check and see if Mr. Nations was ever in Ashland Oregon.

  3. T. Ruth says:

    It appears that Medford FBI agent, Wiltrout, is actually at the helm of the SOHTCTF now. Or at least he’s called the coordinator.

    “Agent Wiltrout is the coordinator for the Southern Oregon High Tech Crimes Task Force. Though it reorganized in 2014, and moved out of Central Point, the FBI and Homeland Security are continuing their work with Medford Police. The department has 1 full time and one part time detective working with the federal agencies on hundreds of cases.”

    https://kobi5.com/news/only-on-5-medford-pd-continues-high-tech-crimes-task-force-with-fbi-hsi-45857/

    I wonder if after they reorganized in 2014/15, if Agent Wiltrout even looked at a 4/5 year old missing boy’s case.

    It appears that in 2005, it was the GPPD who was in charge, not FBI, or any other federal department:

    “The task force started in 2005 when the Central Point Police Department formed a high-tech crimes unit.

    It was Moulin’s idea. He’d grown up with computers and had built his own. Even as a child, if a neighbor had a problem with a computer, they’d sometimes seek him out for help.

    During his time as a patrol officer for the Central Point Police Department, he approached his chief and the city manager and raised the idea of forming a high-tech crimes division.

    “I thought I could combine my law enforcement experience with my computer knowledge,” Moulin said.

    His bosses gave the go-ahead. He trained and then started slowly, dividing his time between general detective work and computer crimes.

    Other agencies got wind of the work the department was doing and the phone started ringing. For the next two years, Moulin worked with the other agencies by himself. They sent digital evidence to him, which he analyzed. Medford police assigned Det. Brandon Bloomfield to the task force full-time in 2007, which brought in more equipment and resources.

    By 2008, the then-small division had provided services to 53 law enforcement agencies around the state.

    Then the FBI got in touch. By 2011, the task force had grown to nine members from several agencies, including Grants Pass, Medford, Ashland, Klamath Falls and Central Point police departments, the FBI, U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the Jackson County District Attorney’s Office.

    The task force is funded by grants and the city of Central Point. Individual agencies pay the salaries of officers they’ve assigned to the group.”
    (snipped more here):

    http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20111023/NEWS/110230389 (Article from 10/23/2011)

    From this ^^^ article, it sounds like the FBI didn’t get on board until 2010/11. Wonder if that was possibly a result of the Horman case. I also wonder why a task force team doing such important work and increasing in numbers, was suddenly reduced to a couple of detectives, or a detective and half. The article gives a few names of the officers who were on board in 2011 as well as the volume of cases and their nature. Because it was all continued under the feds?

    Heck, it seems to me if Moulin was responsible for starting this work, he should’ve been given some kind of an award, or at least some of B’s Unibling!

  4. cd says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 14, 2017 at 4:02 pm
    Frankly, my guess is Stacey most likely gets her info from DY. Who gets the info via a thin blue line.
    @Ruth

    ITA
    Either that or Kyle Iboshi Im waiting for this new information to hit the KGW news. Since Kyle is a supposed investigative reporter he probably also has resources.

  5. cd says:

    WhereKyron says:
    October 13, 2017 at 1:07 pm
    Will Terri ever do prayer vigil for her son ?

    What makes you think she has not?
    B
    ————–
    There is nothing TH could do or say that stalkers would not redefine as something that further proved her guilt. Any public gathering she attended or organized honoring Kyron would immediately be overrun by Stacey’s minions. The media would use it as chance to restate their veiled accusations and the DY response would be how dare she.
    IMO
    It would be a Zoo

    Not likely to produce the whereabouts of her missing child, that’s for sure.
    B

  6. cd says:

    rose says:
    October 16, 2017 at 10:19 am
    facebook pic doesnt look like Terri 2 me

    It’s her.
    B
    ——————-
    She looks very nice. It’s good to see her taking care of herself weight hair etc… I hope this new guy does not get subverted by crazy_stalker Stacey. Most of what she says are rumors from 7 yers ago and outright lies. You would think if even half of her BS was true TH would be arrested or Kaine would be after her. And don’t even get me started about all of her lies about Dede.

  7. erose says:

    Here is a program used by at least one Skyine El Ed teacher.

    SCREWS ARE SIMPLE MACHINES!
    Drawings by K-1 students in Kristina Porter’s classroom,
    Skyline Elementary, Portland Public Schools.

    http://www.the-private-eye.com/html/galleries/Screws/Screws.html

  8. erose says:

    Porter, if the same and seems to be, has a 2015 connection to Scappoose High School. Hwy 30 and Scappoose always make bells go off for me about Kyron.

    http://shs.scappoose.k12.or.us/uploads/5/6/2/4/5624227/shs_e-newsletter.pdf

    snip>
    FROM THE 2015 SAFE & SOBER GRADUATION COMMITTEE The next Safe & Sober meeting will be Thurs. Jan. 8 at 7:00pm in the SHS Library.
     Help is still needed at the monthly can/bottle drives. Students can volunteer as a group to earn community service hours. Contact Kristina Porter to set this up.

  9. rose says:

    @cd. While the lady at the Bar hugging a man looked like a younger Terri, imo the inset pic on his FB page did not. My concern was her use of his last name imo shows her weak ego boundaries, not a desire to hide per se. Picking up 2 hispanic males with intimacy so quickly lends credibility to Rudy’s story imo.

    Who apparently was never a suspect, btw. That thinking will never cease to amaze me. He had motive, means and opportunity and accused her of solicitation- just unreal the mess this is.
    B

  10. rose says:

    Ode, imo hatchets were at one time a used street tool amongst drug dealors, gangs,, etc. I once evacuated a woman & kids from apt. Paramour showed up in a coat, hand in pocket, on a gun. I was relieved when I heard he was killed with an axe on the street by a rival shortly thereafter.

  11. rose says:

    ot criminal charges! http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/10/oregon_state_bar_authorizes_fo.html#incart_river_mobile_home Marshall better jettison rose-colored glasses lady lawyer who clearly does not have “juice” & get herself Houze or ilk crominal defender pronto who does.

    Actually Rose, they are still considering ethics “charges”, according to that article, it appears she has not been charged criminally. This “smells” to me more like the panel recommended a sanction that Marshall (through counsel) does not agree with [think Parks Miller on the ex parte texts currently]. It appears her lawyer is willing to admit her lying to authorities, which I presume is referring to the FBI because that action is actually a felony charge- that said, beyond rare to see that levied against a State AG when it does not allege such an act was not used to cover up “illegal” activity. Morally and subject to civil remedy Ms. Marshall should be glad to just take her “lumps” so to speak. I wonder if this is truly over financial sanctions to include reimbursement to the board for their investigation over 2 years. There is a definite “trend” of bar members to fight upticks in annual dues- I do not blame them when it can be tied directly to ethical misconduct of a licensed attorney.

    B

  12. T. Ruth says:

    https://es-la.facebook.com/jvmtz33

    Anyone know what’s the logo on the dude’s hat?

  13. T. Ruth says:

    According to a post on the caldron, TMH posted that she is now engaged to dude and plan to marry in Vegas in December. ????? If true, that was mighty quick. She’s certainly not taking the time to get to know him, what’s her hurry?

  14. T. Ruth says:

    Of course, new dude could be old boyfriend or friend from the past I guess.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    Don’t know if there’s a connection but a Sarah Ashcraft Martinez commented here on TMH’s FB:

    Sasha Ashcraft Martinez
    (((Hugs))) to you Terri…..word is spreading like wildfire on your little guy. So many Rsbg classmates are posting Kyron’s missing page, and our friends too.
    Sunday at 9:35am

    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8263.0

  16. T. Ruth says:

    Sasha not Sarah, sorry.

  17. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The “screws are simple machines” linked by erose is important and shows that young children are quite capable of learning complex concepts.

    The drawings are very good for their age group. Maybe the teacher taught them about other uses for screws such as their use in jacks,drills and manufacturing processes. Lag screws come in some big sizes. They could have been studied with the naked eye and they could have learned about the term “pitch” by measuring the distance between the threads.

    There were no drawings of machine screws which probably could have been found in the classroom furniture.

    This exercise has other benefits other than just learning about screws. It increases the child’s concentration level and time.

    There are many more things to be learned about screws of all types as well as the different materials and their strength.

  18. rose says:

    @TRuth re “I also wonder why a task force team doing such important work and increasing in numbers, was suddenly reduced to a couple of detectives, or a detective and half. ”
    Due to its growth and prominence, don’t you think that caused great rivalrous feelings emanating from OSP investigators? and OR DOJ investigators? His unit drew resources (fbi, hsa) away from OSP. New Chief’s husband worked for OSP, and she explicitly said she wanted to save on the budget her dept devoted to this project.

  19. oldladysmith says:

    I am glad to see her smiling and happy It’s about time.Anyway she needs a body guard for sure.

  20. rose says:

    Judge Greenlick is good. He must be new to Multnomah bench.
    the 2 PPB “detectives” shoukd be fired imo. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/10/judge_tosses_alleged_confessio.html#incart_river_mobile_home
    Imagine, mcso did far worse to Terri. And besides those long days of lawyerless
    interrogations, with all the bio stalking as well, imo she couldn’t be
    successfully prosecuted even if she were guilty.

    As you all know, I do not believe Terri was involved with the disappearance of Kyron- I come to that conclusion through my years of work on this case, direct interviews and sources. That is not to say that I do not believe it MAY have been connected to her personally or to one of Kyron’s parents. It may have- I have not seen appropriate investigation to conclusion to eliminate that possibility of any of them, imo.
    That said, I also know that SZ has never been identified, and like it or not, he is most definitely the last individual to be seen with Kyron in the school.

    The one thing I am 1000% certain of in all of this, is that the interview techniques used by both the DA office and MCSO during the time Horman was unrepresented will in some way be used as evidence in a civil or criminal proceeding. The coercion and forced statements through coercion in the above cases and promises of leniency are nothing compared to what went on with her over roughly 4 weeks- and frankly, although she obviously did not have anything to confess- they made quite good on all of their threats.

    B

  21. rose says:

    appointed in 2013

  22. rose says:

    Thought the Statute of Limitation had run for
    civil proceedings related to 2010 interrogations?
    A criminal proceeding woukd be dandy, but you have BFB-Rod (not an A-Rod)
    (= bottom-fisher, behaviorally) as DA and the “I Wanna Be Made Permanent” Billy Wms in the Fed
    catbird’seat, and Party Syncophant, yet none too effective, Ellen R forthe State.
    So who’d bring a competent criminal anything against individual LE?

    My opinion is BFB-Rod knew & knows he brought homicide cases from PPB/MCSO that were
    directly the fruit of such illegal interrogation techniques.

    Nope, Kantor ruled that LE open criminal case records could not be discoverable. That exemption rule is quite a detriment to litigation when the party has never actually been arrested or named a person of interest by potential respondents publicly. Imo the largest offender and probably reason for the botched trajectory in Kyron’s case was “outed” as acting out of scope already in a legal filing (years ago) was Odonnell. They demoted him and removed him from the case and frankly at no time has TMH ever been contacted for a MCSO interview again.

    B

  23. rose says:

    oldladysmith, looks like she got one!

  24. rose says:

    @TRuth. re “She’s certainly not taking the time to get to know him, what’s her hurry?”
    Predetermined. a Behavioral MO dating back to teenage years.
    Married Husband 2 similarly despite lhis obvious problems. Did the same with Kaine, despite his Preg wife.
    Moved right in with him (as Kristin did too). Look at it from his POV.
    Behaviorally, he’s doing the same, so he’s psychologically similar,
    or has other problems stemming from impulsivity. She can no longer
    use I need a home for James as an excuse.

    The only thing I am certain of is that no matter how much training, education and experience I have in this professional “space”- I remember to thank God everyday that I have not walked in a persons shoes that I have interviewed or worked with in some manner. At the end of the day I am still an observer and not a victim- no matter how deep the level of understanding and knowledge base will ever get (God willing) so I will remind myself that although I am sure I would make different choices, it always reverts to biology. We are hard-wired for survival.

    B

  25. rose says:

    Didn’t you say SZ was not hispanic, so that
    Rudy did not fit the vague description?

    Correct.
    That said, I meant from LE’s perspective “at the time”. Who’s to say it still did not “track” to RSE- who was allegedly making an allegation in the first place? SZ was not RSE, thank you for calling me out so I could clarify my response, Rose.
    B

  26. rose says:

    Ot If one looks at it from his POV, why a quick marriage to a notorious woman with baggage who cannot have children & is aging? imo one would think monetary: $ fruits of coauthored book, lawsuits (she’s done that before).
    50 year old Babes with bodies are plentiful for an attractive man. Imo in addition to babysitter, substitute mom caregiver, Kaine had that $ motive re her legal settlement/nest egg, and she said required her to spend it for household upkeep. Desiree’s position was Terri is inevitably driven by impulse.

  27. T. Ruth says:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/19/fbi-sex-trafficking-sting-rescues-infant-5-year-old-sister-predators/779268001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

    DENVER – An annual nationwide FBI sex trafficking sting resulted in the rescue of dozens, including an infant and her five-year-old sister.

    The Operation Cross Country XI stings took place in hotels, casinos, truck stops and on social media. In just four days, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and law enforcement partners in the U.S. and abroad, recovered 84 sexually exploited minors and arrested 120 traffickers.

    On October 13, FBI Denver rescued a 3-month-old girl and her five-year-old sister. The girls had been offered up for sex by a friend staying with the family. The friend was arrested after making a deal with an undercover task force officer to sell the girls into the sex trade for $600.
    **********
    (snipped, more @link)

    Good work! Whenever I see that the Philippines and Combodia assisted I think of both DAD and Rockett.

  28. T. Ruth says:

    Portland Public Schools paid $11,000 legal bill to keep incriminating public records secret

    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/10/portland_public_schools_paid_1.html
    ************

    I wonder how much have they spent to cover up the negligence that occurred on June 4, 2010?

    So to address the news at the link- it does look like progress to transparency is happening. Encouraging.
    That said, it is at the constant “threat” of a news outlet expose’. That is NOT transparency. I don’t know who is conducting what is called general counsel reviews, but a committee should be soliciting rfp’s ( I am surprised the amount of spend is not dictating that as a best practice rule in the first place- I for one, could spin a Grisham novel out of the mess with ease). The key term here is always “public interest”. It is always the means analysis first “prong”. Some smartie property owner who has had enough of this sort of wasteful use of their tax $$ will end up short paying their taxes the amount due for school district and head to the board meeting, after inviting the O.

    B

  29. Gwen says:

    Excerpt from Blink’s response to Rose

    rose says:
    October 18, 2017 at 11:17 pm

    The coercion and forced statements through coercion in the above cases and promises of leniency are nothing compared to what went on with her over roughly 4 weeks- and frankly, although she obviously did not have anything to confess- they made quite good on all of their threats.

    B

    ***************************************

    Blink, thank you for saying this. When I read the original story yesterday, my very first thought was of what TMH endured. I remembered you said she’d had hours upon hours of interrogation with, no doubt, plenty of threats overt or inferred. Even though her private life causes concern for those of us looking on, she seems to be one tough cookie and God bless her.

    Well stated, Gwen. In all honesty, I can’t say that I “approve” of how little any one of Kyron’s parents is doing to “affect” his investigation. Except for Terri- life really goes on for them, doesn’t it? At the end of the day as far as I am concerned the person who took all the risks over the last 2 years was Terri Horman. Anyone notice it was after Phil and the allegation of corruption publicly MCSO unraveled, the nearly 30 yr old fake picnic bandit and RSO, etc, etc.

    Some days I want to scream. Child missing from school- an undisputed fact and here we are 7 1/2 years later with same botched investigation, same botched suspect and same broken agency hogtied by the need to cover its own ass.
    Who is going to put this child first and be completely objective with no conflict? If there is a solid answer to that question I am positive what happened to Kyron will be solved.
    B

  30. T. Ruth says:

    FWIW

    The only reason I even commented on TMH’s new beau is that I wonder if he is a set-up. (Dude just looks copish to me, and yes, I made up that word.) The whole quickness of the relationship…ya know, like out to protect the damsel in distress, makes me wonder. So I was trying to find info on him, and can’t find squat, which again, makes me wonder. Who is he and what does he do?

  31. T. Ruth says:

    Oh, and also meant to add, they both are looking quite buff, so is it a gym connection?

  32. cd says:

    I am thinking on it and if I post I would add to it, and I will need through the weekend to do so.

    I am always torn about posting any of that nonsense here, but I think you made great points and deserve to be heard.
    B

  33. first-time says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 19, 2017 at 10:24 pm
    Oh, and also meant to add, they both are looking quite buff, so is it a gym connection?
    —-
    She looks happy, all things considered. I’m glad, because I do believe she is a victim here and not just a victim of SZ.
    ——
    as to Blink’s comment: Who is going to put this child first and be completely objective with no conflict? If there is a solid answer to that question I am positive what happened to Kyron will be solved.
    B

    I believe that the bios probably check in here from time-to-time or someone connected to them likely does. How could they not? Why don’t they, with appropriate counsel follow up on this suggestion? WHY DON”T THEY PRESS FOR FBI REVIEW? WHY in the world wouldn’t they?

    The only reason I can come up with is because the FBI does not agree with where the MCSO investigation has “tracked” and has made that plain to them.
    B

  34. A Texas Grandfather says:

    When government at any level misbehaves, it usually costs the taxpayer to cure or cover-up the bad deeds.

    Maybe requiring a bond for the individual running for office would help to end some of this behavior. The bonding company would have to pay for things and they would take care of the legal costs along with an investigation as to why the event happened.

    School board members all across the land should be term limited to a period of two years. That would stop a lot of the problems.

  35. Rose says:

    amen to well said Gwen “Even though her private life causes concern for those of us looking on, she seems to be one tough cookie and God bless her” And when cd appears, will echo her support and welcome her reasoning.

    didn’t call u out Blink, just admitting a weak memory and wondering if I misremembered.

    My concern for TMH is her safety, period. Not from malicious DY and her minions, but from 2 other sources. First, Kyron’s kidnapping could have been planned and executed by a faction or organized crime. Kaine did not go out constantly with target practice, buying a new gun, having Kristin’s teen practice with him, out of a love for guns imo. If he’s a target, and imo he has always behaved as if he is, so is Terri. It could have been the steroids, could have been another issue. People rarely limit themselves to one type of crime only. So, a supply chain interruption; money lost; could be motive. So, could an end user of the supply chain. One can see a Beaverton gym steroid purchaser being told his roid supply was at an end thanks to Kaine and–knowing Kyron from the gym (babysitting him), just went to get the nearest vulnerable family member in a roid rage.

    The other entity from whom I wish TMH safety is of course MCSO, some of whose employees have proven themselves planful and devious across State lines already.

    My opinion is she is insufficiently cautious about new men when rapidly becoming intimate and sharing a house. Plenty of proof there with Kaine and that slimy CA guy who accused her of domestic violence. But, as Blink says, to the victim go the choices.

  36. Rose says:

    that was to be “faction OF organized crime.”
    ________
    Based on Blink/Ode’s colloquy, I was in another State and sought out a used bookstore for Douglas books. Had one paperback relating to “Motive”; looking forward to it.

    Adjacent to it on the shelf was one by the mother of Kaitlyn Arquette. I looked at yr list Blink, and this still missing person is not there. By half way thru I was skim reading Famous Childrens’ Author Mother’s writing because she was knee deep into Psychics, and could’ve gotten to the same place without them.

    My reaction to her book was to simply wonder how any mother could let a l6 yo have as a eventual two year boyfriend whom she lived with at l88 with a Vietnamese major coke dealor and insurance scam artist, who even involved her in both. Where was the supervision before she was l8. And the woman treated this guy like a son and defended his tender feelings til midway thru the book. It eventuated he was well connevted to if not behind her daughter’s murder, and her daughter had even been saying “don’t tell him where I am.”

    My takeaway is that many of these young ones kidnappings and/or murder (thinking of Col boy, Kyron, the WA State girl) stem from negligent families or chaotic families with multifaceted troubles. Not thinking of adults like Kesse. The WA family let their daughter swim unsupervised at the home of problem people, and let her walk home late on a Fri night by herself. I put them in the negligent camp. The Col boy’s family was chaotic (fa killed him). Kyron’s entire family but for Terri was chaotic, back more than one generation. The Arquette mother apparently had troubles with her relationship with at least two other of her children, with the eldest having adjustment troubles per her. So, anyway, that was my takeaway from her book. Like Kyron, the investigation and LE investigators was the agency and personnel from Hell, as was the local DA who was happy to convict anyone local LE chose to arrest, just like in Multnomah.

  37. Rose says:

    @cd. Yes, Soldier posts a pack of lies masquerading as “analysis.” And, her followers are beyond filthy mouthed amd malevolent. It may be of some comfort these are the sorts who’d read Richard Spencer’s social media and believe him, and go to Charlottesville and drive one’s car thru the crowd. Sorts who never check info against real sources. One filthy mouth on Soldier’s site “blowing up her facebook”, Eldon Middleton IV, is the only one I went to to see who would behave like that. Honey, the pictures on his FB page. These folks are the dregs of society. Keep in mind, Desiree could stop this with one post to WSKH in a heartbeat if she chose to, so that’s one victim I have no sympathy or respect for of any kind. (not to mention her failure to advance her son’s investigation appropriately)

  38. rose says:

    TRuth. the cauldron found him.
    One said he’d refused his friend request.
    Duh.

  39. Gwen says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 19, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    TRuth, I agree completely with your assessment, and I like the word “copish” :) . Everything about this case stinks and you’re quite right to be questioning everything. I’ve followed your comments from the beginning and know that you’ve noticed plenty of unexplained coincidences throughout this case. So that, along with your research, helps me to respect and concur with your skepticism.

  40. rose says:

    I see that crazy cauldron FB site owner and synchophant ofDesiree, the one
    meeting James Fallon’s youknow what generational PD description, posts
    as if you just have been contacted by mcso wrt your TMH interviews.

    Tsk tsk.
    iirc Mcso deputy Ken Yohe publically contacted you
    on this site agesago, not realizing his
    PI Office had yr direct contact info.
    Soldier’s way behind events.

    Um, yeah.
    I will say at least she is consistent in not letting any factual information or legal citations get in the way of her vitriol.

    Whether we have agreed or disagreed at times over the last 7 1/2 years, I can say that I have been treated with only respect by any contacts within MCSO and assisting agencies and I am quite sure they would say the same about me if asked. The truth is, no professional condones that FB nonsense. I would add that at no time has any member of MCSO asked me to discuss any interviews of any sources in Kyron’s case. They are well aware of the laws protecting source material.
    That said, they are also aware of my non popular opinion that Kyron’s case should be turned over at MCSO request to the FBI. It would benefit the case immensely. It would resolve.
    B

  41. rose says:

    ot How Netflix’s Serial Killer Drama ‘Mindhunter’ Draws From Real Life https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/netflix-mindhunter_us_59e797d1e4b00905bdae3dce

  42. cd says:

    ose says:
    October 20, 2017 at 10:12 pm
    I see that crazy cauldron FB site owner and synchophant ofDesiree, the one
    meeting James Fallon’s youknow what generational PD description, posts
    as if you just have been contacted by mcso wrt your TMH interviews.
    —————
    I am pretty sure neither MCSO or the DA oil;d ever have any contact with soldier. I know the DA at one time banned Stacey from posting on his site and I think MCSO also has her banned. Although I believe Terri has spoken to Blink I don’t think any formal interview has been published by Blink. Sound like more BS or someone told her or maybe she just made it up. She seems very agitated these last days.

    The DA does not have any contact with Kyron’s parents so I can assure you they do not have any contact with the chalk and stalks. I have not published my piece containing multiple interviews with TMH and I have N E V E R, at any time, had any member of any LEA ask me for source protected material. I was not at Skyline School June 4th, 2010 so I did not see what happened to Kyron Horman with my own eyes. There is a saying in criminal investigation I learned from a man who literally wrote the book on crime classification. He said- don’t ever go so far out on the limb of your theory that you can never get back to the trunk for safety. If you are not positive it will support your weight you have no business taking another step- stay at the trunk until/if you can. I fervently believe in this metaphoric means test.

    The ONLY thing I am unequivocally sure of, and will support the branch beneath me is that Kyron Horman did not leave Skyline with Terri and Kiara that day. That is not my opinion, that is a fact in evidence in this case. What IS my opinion is that “but not for” that fact not in dispute, Terri Horman would have been indicted years ago. Kyron was last seen in multiple locations following Terri’s departure and Terri was captured on CCTV miles away both outside and inside. Therefore, I will never understand how, if one still wishes to attach TMH to the crime, the focus is not on SZ.
    It is beyond me how the State theory ( this is a very public stance) is that TMH is one to solicit folks to do her dirty work, yet in a crime that takes place at a time where it is physically impossible for her to be present, the focus remains on her and avoids the real issue here- the DA knows it is of course GREAT public interest to be informed that a child went missing from the school by the hands of an as yet unidentified person.

    MCSO is investigating this case to protect its interests and that is a deep conflict to recovering Kyron Horman.

    Two grand juries later, every detective assigned to the case for the first 5 years was removed, some demoted, one potential suspect for accessory developed by her insistence that TMH hire counsel was cleared by the same polygrapher who “examined” TMH (note- I am told this polygraphers work with TMH was later termed invalid by required peer review) sworn depositions that exculpate TMH and prove she was not at the school at the time of Kyron’s disappearance, 3 year FAPA order never resulting in any charges and the statute of limitations for attempted accessory has come and gone and the alleged “accessory” was given immunity and an agreement not to be deported. (I am not at all sure that is legal)

    7 and 1/2 years later that is the ugly truth about where this case is and that is only the half of it.

    Tony actually had this right all along, if not Terri, who? Except nobody is treating that like its a real question and Kyron Hormans case is no further today than it was in June 2010. Beyond unacceptable.

  43. erose says:

    rose says:
    October 20, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    snip>

    That said, they are also aware of my non popular opinion that Kyron’s case should be turned over at MCSO request to the FBI. It would benefit the case immensely. It would resolve.
    B

    erose- are you sure they did not refer to Terry Dicus, the original case manager with the TBI on Holly’s case?

    Did anyone see the 20/20 show this week on Holly Bobo? I think it was an FBI agent who was let go after about year two or so because he had “tunnel vision” about a serial rapist and kidnapper. I haven’t followed the case so I don’t know if he was right or wrong, but I know Blink has invested a lot of time in her case and I need to read to catch up.

    What interested me is that a case is so susceptible to human error, and Blink’s remark about MCSO and the FBI dovetailed so perfectly on this issue. Seems if someone has it in their head that a crime went down a certain way, they aren’t going to let go. I think these cold cases get a second chance when the “human walls” are no longer in the way. So. We. Wait.

    You actually bring up a fascinating aspect if you are- Dicus was called by the defense in Zach Adams trial for his pursuit of Terry Britt- a convicted sex offender and kidnapper. He actually presented a very compelling case against Britt and Britt subsequently did commit what was to be believed a similar crime. Dicus testimony was actually the subject of pre trial motions limiting what he could say- which, imo, will become fodder for an appeal, but at any rate it was fascinating for me to see prior detectives subpoenad, that do not agree with the charged defendants guilt.
    Dicus resigned and went to law school- he is now an attorney in Savannah, TN
    B

  44. rose says:

    Well said. Desiree’s Det. Relentless Aggressive (how she characterized him via Soldier’s FB news blurb) has no credentials or experience to handke this case. Reese’s failure to request FBI take jurisdiction shows he’s a cover-up (4 the Agency) Sheriff, not a clean-up Sheriff. But he’s Kafoury’s creation, so Multnomah is stuck.

  45. T. Ruth says:

    Gwen says:
    October 20, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    Thank you Gwen. Nothing would surprise me in this case.

  46. Rose says:

    @cd. You’re right, the P.P.D. is highly agitated. Imo it stems from contact with Desiree, from whom she apparently has had contact, to include photographs.
    Feeds the monster.
    ___
    With deference to those who enjoy a good fiction tale in the true crime arena, because we all have our reading pleasures for a variety of reasons, I myself am done with the true crime genre before I start on it. First, there was Famous Author’s own personal loss, steeped in psychics and with at least 3 children who move out asap into marginal settings (with a friend, with a family, with a Vietnamese gang member involved in high crimes.

    Then we get Desiree’s latest via Soldier. Pictures at the school of Morris at the school being oriented to the layout and Kyron’s egress of Morris and Olsen, coauthors, a school she’d visited once in 3 years before the abduction. And, their statement: “Stepmother..says she dropped him off that morning…. Investigators don’t think so.” taking that info apparently from Desiree.

    Now, with CPSD and in Federal mental hospital intake, one interviews parents about the patient (just call Kyron a missing focus of interest). Tells one a lot about their view of the child, about them, about his social milieu, the schedule, etc. But by definition, the parents of the “victim” or “patient” could as easily be part of the problem being experienced by the child, and one hopes one can recast them as part of the solution for the child. So, one would never turn to them as a primary source.]

    In crime scenes (where Morris and Olsen purport to be the stars of snapshots) review and analysis, one imagines any competent inquirer would start with evidence.

    First objective evidence (none in Ky’s case apart from random photos taken by attendees) and secondly subjective evidence (eyewitness accounts, which are plentiful, and the most important is Esther Mathews’ permission-nod to his exit with SZ; his state of mind and personality as informed by teachers, peers, parents based on interaction that morning), etc.

    It is unimaginable to me any author would take primary info from a parent whose “track” to SZ has not been ruled out by investigators. Or, to use them as primary informants as to the crime scene. Staton’s retired, why not go for him, and feature him (appealing to his vanity and pocketbook)?

    Yes, for personality background on the missing boy. No, as to the crime itself. She should be foia’ing the heck out of PPS re all emails associated with the evident, and any subsidiary source of info (not mcso, but there has been plenty in the Court cases).

    Those photos of the “authors” at Skyline are a clue; she is documenting her “investigatory trail” for publicity purposes. After she produces, and imo she will produce, can’t you just see the book tour, and spots on Good Morning America, or Fox, with weeping mother by her side as a “hook”, as she explains the Kidnapping of Kyron.

  47. rose says:

    Blink, a grave mistake to go tit for tat with a Borderline or Psychopathic
    PD; and I have never seen you make it. So I gather you continue to
    isolate and ignore a reading-challenged one.
    Even the illiterate should realize if a deputy says you’ve interviewed multiple
    witnesses and “I’d like to talk to you,” said person is not requesting by that “talk
    request” a copy of any of your interviews with any source.

    There are over 500 cases on this site, I lament daily I can’t work on more as you know. Kyron’s case is only one of many I have worked on personally through BOC over the years and every one of them has involved LE interface to varying degrees. The simple truth is that all that hate spewing does absolutely nothing to advance this case and nobody who is actually working on it pays any attention to it whatsoever. In fact, I can tell you as a point of fact that in TMH most recent case, that activity absolutely impacted judicial decisions in the matter in her/counsels favor. LE (in any case, not just this one) knows that the witch hunt mentality in any social forum is helpful to any criminal defendant, period.
    The angst is misplaced entirely. This is a 7 1/2 year old case that has no new information today than it did in its first 30 days no matter what false info is being spread. I find that fact intolerable.
    B

  48. erose says:

    Yes Blink, TBI’s Dicus. Not sure if he was right or not but he was unwaivering.

    We are going to agree on that. If you intend to look at the Bobo case more closely, what you will find is that if you start at the prospect that it is a physical impossibility that the State has the sequence of events and the actors correct as it relates to their narrative in support of the charges previously and currently, in that sense it did remind me of Kyron’s case from the perspective that MCSO and all partner agencies are aware TMH could not have removed Kyron from the school personally.

    Dicus made some critical mistakes- I see well intentioned investigators do that constantly and to be honest the major reason is usually that criminals can be luckier than smart- or like in both cases, we have inexperience analyzing evidence (in that case cell pings and tower activity reports). According to him he did receive some insight from BSU, unfortunately for him he articulated it poorly on the stand (imo). Human beings make mistakes and there is no shame in learning from them. Britt was tied to Natalie Bobo, who I know as a point of fact was the impetus of what ultimately happened to Holly and she was not even presented at trial for testimony. My long winded pointless point- I do not believe anyone but those directly involved who are still living know the truth of the horror that sweet child endured and for how long. The pool of miscreants to choose from will all spend the rest of their lives in prison with the exception of those dead or who were granted immunity and that seems to be a good enough measure of justice.

    I can understand that, truly, but in my experience and fears facts teach us how to prevent and from a criminologist perspective they display behavior we can learn from and potentially predict as well as use to solve other cases.

    Lastly, I think it worth a mention on Dicus and any other investigator who comes across a case as a true high-profile first time experience. It is incredibly difficult to work those cases that ramp from zero to hero in a flash (or blink) in what amounts to a professional fish bowl. I have said in the past there is almost no training available to them to deal with that and it is almost entirely reactive and too late. I say this because one of my first cases I actually solved a few weeks before I wrote the warrant affi. I can’t go into specifics obviously but I will say that I was so sure I was wrong because I did not believe it possible for anyone to kill a defenseless person over an Xbox.
    That happened and we were able to recover the victim and his murderers are doing 25-life.

    That said- I mention to this to highlight human error that resolved a successful case anyway. I will use that knowledge in my practice forever. Any person is capable of any thing to another at any time for any reason or for no reason.
    Courtesy of Lou Smit.

    B

  49. rose says:

    ot Looks like Morris’ mfa is in creative
    writing, at a most creative school. So creative
    her book will be.

  50. rose says:

    ot example of PPS knowingly employing
    an alleged pedophile allowed to retire with
    36 years in—no loss of license.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2017/10/substitute_teacher_who_abused.html

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