Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    ot the NC girl: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140223/Mariah-Woods-body-divers-creek.html
    Oughta remove the judge from the bench who gave custody to a mo with this live in bf.

  2. Rose says:

    I am thinking the problem in Portland with all the coverup of the circs of K’s school abduction & its malfeasant investigation is likely just Big Egos and inability to admit mistakes & start over. The situation with new Supt reminds me of a prestigious private where after a mishire of a Head & separation, the Board hired Lossr Head 2, and within a year he’d had 3 failed Div. hires and was clearly inept. A Board member told me the Board would never admit a mistake & let him go but woukd cover for him, due to Big Egos which couldn’t admit mistakes. Iirc after one Supt hiring flub Brim & Board bypassed a search firm and found & hired Mr Guerrero on their own. They found someone with equity but nit C&I skills, and a one-man show who hires buddies to surround & empower him. I cannot imagine Brim ever admitting a mistake. That seems to be true of the DA & Sheriff’s leadership as well. Kitz’ back had to be against the wall to say uncle, and Brown certainly wouldn’t. Nor Ellen AG.

  3. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The missing NC child was found deceased in a creek 25 miles from the home. The father is under investigation as the perp.

    No information released as to how they found her or anything regarding how she was placed there. Maybe a tip or could be an accidental find.

    ATG- Mariah Woods was recovered from Shelter Creek in Pender County (Off Shaw).
    I have been told by a colleague of mine that her location was given by Kimrey (the Mother’s boyfriend, not her Father).
    Kimrey is in custody on a variety of offenses related to her death, but not for her murder, yet. It is clear from the warrants that Kimrey was aware (alleged) that Mariah did not die a “natural death”.

    I am also told that the Mother was protecting Kimrey originally, and additional charges are expected to be filed on Monday or following the completion of the autopsy. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a family of 4 lived in this tiny trailer and the Mother would not have known what had happened to this baby. Heartbreaking.

    B

  4. A Texas Grandfather says:

    This little one was a victim of a mother and father who could not build a real family. The mother apparently shacked up with a boyfriend who may have picked the mother for access to the children.

    Sad. Thanks for the addition info B.

    O/T

    Our orchestra played a 1 1/2 hr. Christmas concert this evening. An audience of 250 or more. A good audience who were surprised by the quality of the music from a small group. We will play again on the 7th, a morning concert and another in the afternoon.

  5. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    December 3, 2017 at 10:50 am

    I am thinking the problem in Portland with all the coverup of the circs of K’s school abduction & its malfeasant investigation is likely just Big Egos and inability to admit mistakes & start over.
    (snipped)

    *********
    I’m thinking it has to be more than just big egos. IMO, Reese (and others, such as Gates) missed a perfect opportunity to wash his hands of any part of a botched investigation. When Staton was removed from office because he was found unfit to run MCSO in an acceptable and stable manner, one of Reese’s first duties should have been to meet with Kyron’s parents and suggest to them that Kyron’s case should now be moved to the jurisdiction of the FBI. (Because there was no indication that Kyron left the State, maybe MCSO would need parental request to move it to the FBI?) Obviously, by that time,some five years later, the case had gone cold and why Reese didn’t do that, I’ll never understand. Had he done that, everything that the FBI may have uncovered that indicated any sort of botched or misdirected investigation, would have been on Staton, as he was in charge. So IDK, there has to be more than just big egos that are causing this cover-up, IMO.

    Totally agree. This comes down to money spent, the outcome achieved (in this case there is none, and I would offer this is still very much a daily hamster wheel for MCSO) and the tunnel vision on Terri that should anyone be able to present it on a balance sheet will tell the real story. Right now, it is literally the poster child for why no jurisdiction like MCSO should ever be handling the investigation of an unsub abduction of a child where 7 hours elapsed before his disappearance was even alerted. He could have been out of the US in an hour.
    It is about not being able to explain how 7 1/2 years later their primary suspect is based on a complete void of evidence.

    Just a note- the FBI CARD team just solved the alleged Woods abduction in 5 days. Prior to the recovery of the child.
    Its a very long list of cases recently involving missing persons or cold cases the FBI is clearing or has cleared quickly when brought on.
    B

  6. Rose says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/12/complaint_portland_public_scho.html

    Wonder what threats Jollee Patterson used against Skyline staff or that substitute present on June 4th.
    Clearly that’s her MO in exigent circumstances where there is malfeasance with pps liability in the
    offing. So Sad neither bio sued.

  7. Rose says:

    ot https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/12/judge_jordan_schnitzer_is_not.amp
    nice to see multnomah has one competent family court trial judge who justified her decision with specific facts in evidence. Unlike Kantor. Obv Terri’s problem was she couldn’t front a hundred thou to go to trial with a family litigator who loves trials. Delightful there will be no “evaluators” of custody or “best interests” bcz these 2 never married or cohabited. Since both contributed genetic material to a surrogate, they stand pretty equal. Kantor could always justhave set a visitation scheduke for mother, promptly, and that would’ve been just, & best for kiara imo.

  8. Rose says:

    Well, ladies, imo Reese has the Biggest LE local Ego of all. This is a man who as a failed Police Chief, pressured by his Mayor to “retire,” played in the press for a while with running for Mayor, and may yet. He overestimates himself. Secondly, he needed the immediate loyalty of his Union (iirc he was appointed and had to run for election all too soon) and his Admin layer the leaders of whom were leaders & supervisors in the abduction in 2010 and had shown themselves mouthy to the press under Staton.

  9. Rose says:

    imo bios likely fear and have always feared if case got an FBI re-start, they would (unjustly) be resubjected to scrutiny and face suspicion and having to clear themselves.

  10. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Thanks for that link. What’s gone on (and is apparently still going on) in PPS is astonishing, and sickening! I think PPS and it’s attorneys are the entire reason Kyron’s case is cold. I still wonder if there was some sort of secretive, sealed settlement reached between Kyron’s parents and PPS. It makes zero sense that the parents were not upset with the school for their negligence. If PPS had been sued, I believe Kyron’s case would have either been solved by now, or at the very least, the investigation would be much further along. No matter who took Kyron from that school, it should never have been allowed to occur on PPS soil.

    Sigh.

  11. T. Ruth says:

    FWIW:

    In recognition of 30 years of outstanding service, excellent professionalism and unwavering dedication to the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the communities and citizens it serves, MCSO congratulates Chief Deputy Michael Shults for an outstanding career! Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors!

    https://www.facebook.com/multcoso/

    Shults retired November 30.

  12. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    December 6, 2017 at 7:38 am

    imo bios likely fear and have always feared if case got an FBI re-start, they would (unjustly) be resubjected to scrutiny and face suspicion and having to clear themselves.

    *******

    IDK, Rose, because according to them, they’ve already been cleared. So if that were their “public” reasoning for not transferring to FBI, they’d have to come up with something better. OTOH, maybe that’s why they’ve never publicly disclosed why they don’t make the FBI request.

  13. A Texas Grandfather says:

    An interesting piece at erose’s link.

    Artificial Intelligence is in its infancy. All computer programs rely on humans to build them. The advantage of computers is simply search and compare speed that is millions of times faster than humans and paper. If the data is not present or accessible to the program, it is not considered. AI in conjunction with experienced and well trained people has the potential to prevent serial predators of any type from doing the immense amount of damage to society that they sometimes presently do.

    Accurate and complete data is the key to using computers to track behaviors and signs of potential behaviors in the criminal element.
    LE have been late to the use of computers, but they are now gaining in knowledge that will make a difference. One of the problems facing the criminal justice system is a lack of money applied in the correct places so as to make a difference.

    I am a fan of using AI as a tool- but as you point out it boils down to the very old adage applicable to any computer generated algorithim, garbage in = garbage out. I have attended some crime mapping and predictive classes with folks in the field that have the task of monitoring and predicting certain crimes so that agencies can staff appropriately- this is not that. I have probably mentioned before this line at the start of a lecture I attended through the Bureau training (BAU) from Roy Hazelwood (RIP 2016) “And now we are going to discuss the profile of the offenders we almost never catch”. The profile information we learn about those crimes and offenses are then subjected to what is called “linkages” that will further classify these types of offenders and offenses, HOWEVER, all of this information is gleaned post offense. We almost never know that a serial offender is an actual “serial offender” until its too late to be preventative. We know from the studies and literature that these offender types are also incredibly adaptive.

    In short, there is wayyyyy more we do not know about this offender profile than we know.
    B

  14. Rose says:

    T. Ruth says:
    December 7, 2017 at 11:22 am
    TY TRuth. Unsurprising another Admin member of the overthehill gang retired.
    What will be interesting is who promotes up.
    On the other hand Reese had a job ad out for lateral (effective) transfers from other PDs
    and could be fishing for old ppb cronies. Waiting to see if it’s Marshman.

  15. cd says:

    T. Ruth says:
    December 7, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    IDK, Rose, because according to them, they’ve already been cleared. So if that were their “public” reasoning for not transferring to FBI, they’d have to come up with something better. OTOH, maybe that’s why they’ve never publicly disclosed why they don’t make the FBI request.
    ————————-
    IDK It seems like I remember no one has been officially cleared in Kyrons disappearance.

  16. T. Ruth says:

    @erose says:
    December 7, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    Wow is right. Thanks for such an informative article, erose. That story lead me to this one, which is also interesting. (Makes me want to just keep reading this morning, but I gotta go make cookies.)

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/the-serial-killer-detector

  17. T. Ruth says:

    http://www.murderdata.org/

    Didn’t even know this existed.

    I heard talk.. lol.
    I really hate the fact that some days I feel like my schedule is prohibitive of learning about new tools, sigh.

    I don’t know if it means anything yet, and it is unrelated to Kyron’s case, but I learned something new from that db related to a very old cold, case I have never written about publicly. Thank you again erose.

    As a general observation as we have been discussing offender profiles and I have provided some relevant study information- I am beginning to wonder if some of the offenses classified as rare (per se) really are, and if it would not be prudent just to run down the statistical agreements of a profile and see who fits. It’s the reverse method but if the crime is rare I wonder if it is not best to simply apply the profile stats of that rare offender.

    In short, Im tired of hearing that samples are too small to be accurate- and then to find out they were accurate, ya know? It is contradictory to my training.
    B

  18. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T.Ruth

    Baking cookies is fun, but your link to the New Yorker magazine article article shows that there are many facets to the data required to track serial killers.

    People with ideas are now able to experiment with computers of sufficient power in an effort to identify types of behavior related to serial killers and other types of crime.

    Data is important to solving any crime. Unfortunately, data collection is time consuming. The long information sheet associated with the method in the article was rejected by LE for its length. At an early time in any successful program, it is necessary to take the time in collecting all of the data to determine its value. Some will have a lot more value than others. The problem is that it must be collected for a while so that knowledge is confirmed to be of value and some not so valuable.

    The FBI’s Uniform crime report is many pages long. They have classes on how to properly prepare it,but many agencies that submit the data are under trained on its classification of data,

  19. Rose says:

    busy Reese. https://www.mcso.us/site/agency.php
    Iforgot he’d already split Shultz’ job in two between Morrisey
    & Peterson last month.

  20. erose says:

    Blink, I knew that site needed to be in the hands of the geniuses here. TRuth thanks for the follow up sites. Now we need Al for missing kids.

    No, THANK YOU for posting it erose. I am always humbled by what I have learned from the brilliant readers and posters here. I completely agree with you that an ACCURATE data-driven map of missing children combined with the outcomes that are known and factual would be an incredibly useful and interesting tool. I am aware of a recent situation where such data would have highlighted a significant problem way before it became “known” publicly. In Kansas City, Missouri an entire LE investigative division (7 det’s 2 SGT’s) was suspended last year for not properly handling child abuse cases (various nature) for kids under the age of 16)* . I have not checked recently, but that jurisdiction has an egregious amount of missing kids. What frosts my shorts is that the nexus between the two is anything but transparent. What I mean by that is that if by some means a crime against a child is reported to CPS and it triggers LE, it is already at the point of significant danger to the child in question. Left unchecked these kids run away, turn to drugs, live on the street or worse. It’s not enough to hold them (LE) in check although it has to start somewhere. It needs an all hands on deck approach to locate these kids. Taking it a step further, we tend to develop the mindset that when we see these numbers that kids are automatically run-aways within a certain age bracket- I can’t think of a more risky presumption to a child that was harmed or victimized.

    * http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article57097658.html

    B

  21. erose says:

    Out of Medford. This one seems particularly aggressive as I was shocked to read what he did.

    Elderly school volunteer accused of sexually abusing student, 5

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/12/elderly_school_volunteer_accus.html#incart_river_home

    Dear Jesus, wth?
    Are parents alerted to these volunteers who apparently can have a level of private access to their kids?
    I keep seeing “they have to pass a background check”- I would like to see that a background check was conducted, by what agency and what it says- its not enough to say “they are subject to one”- how do we know for sure?
    B

  22. T. Ruth says:

    http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/the-case-of-ebby-steppach-were-crucial-investigation-mistakes-made/720053109

    Speaking of botched cases, I started to watch this missing girl’s parents telling the story of her disappearance on Dr. Phil the other day, and unfortunately my local station was having a case of hiccups, so I couldn’t see it all, but I was shocked at what I was hearing from the parents about how LE handled this case in the beginning. I was like WTF? “why?” “why?” “why not”?. All I could think of was someone from LE themselves must have been involved, or someone very powerful involved in her disappearance. IDK, but it’s a strange one.

    Snipped:

    “Part of the investigation that was going on didn’t match up with what they were telling me,” Laurie said.

    About a week after Ebby vanished, her 2003 Volkswagen was found abandoned in Chalamount Park in West Little Rock.

    Ebby’s mother and step-father say a security guard reported the car, but the LRPD didn’t check on the tip for several days.

    “The department itself, when the call came in on three different occasions that week, did not recognize and connect that this car belonged to a missing person,” Michael said.

    “Didn’t put it together that this was a crime scene,” Laurie said.

    Ebby’s parents say the car had a dead battery and was out of gas, making Laurie think the worst.

    “Her car was running and someone took her from it,” Laurie said.

    The Central High School student’s cell phone, makeup, keys and eye contacts were left behind.

    Laurie says she encouraged the detective on the case to get surveillance footage from the Walmart across the street from the park.

    “He said, ‘Do you know how much tape that is to look through?’ and I said ‘Yes I’ll look through it. I mean, I don’t care, I’ll look through it.’ And he said, ‘No, no, I’ll look into it.’ He never looked into it,” Laurie said.

    (more @link)

    T.Ruth- thank you for posting. I can’t write on cases I work on personally (for obvious reasons) but elements of this young lady’s case hit home with me in a big way. So, in the abstract, (lol) I worked on a cold case a few years ago (successfully, homicide) where detectives were adamant that the missing individual was seen on a CCTV. Investigative information I developed conflicted with that theory. For months, investigators refused to allow me to review the footage. I ended up encouraging the family to request to see it themselves, armed with the knowledge that I was pretty positive it was not the mp. That said, the only way to be sure was to review it. After a few weeks where the Mother had to actually threaten to escalate her request (victims rights laws and transparency in this State were very strong)they made an appointment for her to meet them at the evidence bay – an hour before the det called her and cancelled because for the first time he actually viewed the tape- not the mp.

    I actually told him who was on the tape without ever seeing it. That tape was then used to glean informant info, and in my view produced the homicide suspect. There is no question it was instrumental in recovering the victim, but let me tell you that this poor parent paid dearly for her gall to question LE. I am not sure I could properly articulate what an officer put this poor woman through, the parent of her missing child, for pointing out THEIR error. One of many.

    I would like to think that most LE are well intentioned and competent. The cold case det quoted in the piece sounds like he has it together- I will pray for Ebby and her family AND for LE to recover this young lady.
    B

  23. T. Ruth says:

    O/T

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/steppach_ebby.html

    Ebby Steppach.

    Her parents on Dr. Phil had said she had been hanging around with some new people. Makes me wonder if one of those people, the one who raped her, was perhaps the son of someone in power.

  24. Sally says:

    …and how long between ‘background checks’…

  25. A Texas Grandfather says:

    We have a big problem in LE where concerned parents in a missing child or teen are treated as if they are worthless help in solving the case. This is a training and ego problem that will have to be corrected by the public.

    Unfortunately, Arkansas is comprised of many small towns and villages. There are only a half dozen or so small cities with Little Rock being the largest. Small communities simply do not have the money to pay quality LE or to fund the other support systems that make LE effective.

    There are a lot of “runaway” teens from homes of all types, but IMO for LE to assume that a missing teen is a runaway as the first step is poor thinking, especially if the parents can provide guidance that it is not a likely event.

  26. Rose says:

    a general article on Sheriffs, with specific examples:
    A Sheriff, a Mystery Check and a Blogger Who Cried Foul https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/us/ana-franklin-alabama-sheriff.html

  27. Rose says:

    ot another
    Georgia Students Subjected to Intrusive Searches Will Share $3 Million https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/us/georgia-high-school-settlement.html

  28. Rose says:

    ot
    extraordinary in current enviro, I suppose bcz
    harrassed employee is male:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/12/portland_will_not_investigate.html#incart_river_mobile_index

    or maybe bcz Portland city Fathers / Mothers just don’t investigate their political bedfellows.

  29. Rose says:

    reminding us in May 2017 Kaine was
    enthusiastic about the investigation handlers & content.

  30. erose says:

    Blink, Good for the Kansas City PD’s IA. That got me thinking about MCSO and who is their IA, and more importantly where is MCSO’s IA on Kyron’s case. I think they should have initiated an investigation the day of the failed sting, especially since they had knowledge of the whole steroid situation.

    So in my googling, as an aside, I came upon Brett Ritchie’s whistleblower lawsuit filed in May 2017, (which has been read and posted here) but on page 4 section 13 it recites his positions with MCSO, one of which was an IA sergeant. Just seems to me as a career trajectory in LE, IA should be a job for the mature officer, not one of their initial positions. Just an observation.
    https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/OregonSheriff.pdf

    If you google on as I did, IA has their hands full with investigating the aiding illegal immigrants from ICE and rape by LE guards in the jail. The Portland Police has their IA office easily found by an internet search, MCSO, not so much.

  31. erose says:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/remains-may-link-to-case-of-boys-missing-7-years/ar-BBGMd8o?li=BBnbcA1

    Isn’t that just the oddest story, ever? I mean, why leak it before the DNA is tested and apparently the tenant is not located? Bizarre handling if the info is true.
    B

  32. Rose says:

    ot
    bones of 3 young males, apparently discarded by a
    transient tramp in MT, could be the Skelton (MI) boys. Mother
    says it took her years to accept local LE counsel they were dead.
    How might K’s outcome (vz mother’s ability to progress) have
    differed if Tony who “took over” in the Horman home,
    and “took over” the family mike, had not been involved?

  33. Rose says:

    All good Rose, I added it to the other :)
    B

  34. erose says:

    Rose, I think Gonzalez did the right thing in reporting, and it was his supervisors that dropped the ball. They are the ones who should have had a case brought against them right then and there. Adams was clearly inappropriate, but if it was not criminal, then wasn’t it was up to Gonzalez to pursue his complaint thru civil channels.

    There is a statute of limitations on most crimes, so I am having a hard time understanding how years old allegations most of which cannot be prosecuted leaves the accused with no due process. We are told we MUST believe the victim, especially if there are many. Just like what happened to TH. Three of Kyron’s parents made the accusation, so she was branded guilty. Scary.

    snip>

    Gonzalez told the city attorney in an email that he did report the behavior to his supervisors, Tom Miller and Jennifer Yocom, but they dismissed his concerns.

    Rose says:
    December 14, 2017 at 10:24 pm
    ot
    extraordinary in current enviro, I suppose bcz
    harrassed employee is male:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/12/portland_will_not_investigate.html#incart_river_mobile_index
    or maybe bcz Portland city Fathers / Mothers just don’t investigate their political bedfellows.

  35. Rose says:

    Yes, erose. Though I meant the City’s decision not to investigate now, at present, allegedly based on Adams has left town, & is not in office (=buy the brooklyn bridge). . If nothing else, a current investigation would hold Gonzalez’ supervisors accountable, and reevaluate City investigatory policies. The County Commissioner Chair, and the City Council Chair, are mighty selective about who they hire their buddy outside law firms to investigate. Seem most likely to investigate straight white males in lower level employment positions. Imo right now that new PPS Supt needs an outside investigation on a couple of matters anyway (the no bid K to a friend, & the impulsive relocating of 2 significant student populations without proper process).

  36. Rose says:

    @erose. mcso has an Inspector. But iirc Internal Audits were in the last Sheriff incarnation the province of Shea Marshman & her underling auditor who iirc got fired for producing an audit Staton didn’t like, & so Marshman left too.
    I don’t think any inhouse MCSO would be reliable or informative. And the Commissioners will never contract out & expose internal problems. I was surprised at the 2 O reporters who spent 2 yrs and recently exposed OSP’s bankruptcy at regulating LE credentialing in State. After their Pulitzer, maybe they’ll take on Statewide missing children.

  37. Rose says:

    mcso Inspector now has a Capt & Lt
    https://www.mcso.us/site/pdf/org_chart.pdf
    office seems to deal with Use of Force &
    Prison Rape Elimination.
    ——-
    What a hoot that it take a Lt to lead eliminating rape in
    prison (PREA) presumeably by mcso employees of inmates. A DA
    who’d prosecute promptly & demand the stiffest sentences
    would do a lot more to eliminate guard prison rapes.

  38. erose says:

    o/t ‘Glee’ Alum Mark Salling Pleads Guilty in Child Pornography Case

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/%E2%80%98glee%E2%80%99-alum-mark-salling-pleads-guilty-in-child-pornography-case/ar-BBH0kZA?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    So creepy ( and thankfully criminal). I remember in the early seasons watching that show with our kids and playing the music in the car for trips. Just serves as that cautious reminder- be vigilant, and any person can be capable of what one considers unbelievable. Sickens me. Sexual arousal from images of a child of any kind is a deviant paraphilia, period, and in my opinion is a sign of others existing within that individual.
    B

  39. erose says:

    Agreed. So many public institutions are operating as fiefdoms. We need oversight and accountability. That a man could make an allegation of that nature against a sitting mayor and have some supervisor dismiss it, is a contributor as to why a change is necessary.

    Rose says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:03 am

    snip>

    If nothing else, a current investigation would hold Gonzalez’ supervisors accountable, and reevaluate City investigatory policies.

  40. Rose says:

    Do any multnomah govt entities have Ombudsmen?
    (pps, ppb, mcso, city or cty govt?) tho only advocates
    kyron has with those entities are parents & they are
    checked out for whatever personal reasons.

    Not that I am aware of? Any locals able to weigh in on this? Good question Rose.
    B

  41. Rose says:

    Soldier has a fine pic up of Kyron in S McBerh’s classroom (k/1) thus kyron was his 2 yrs?
    He was really silent in media after abduction given he’d taught him 2 yrs. None of this
    What K meant to me as a teacher, or I feel for his family.
    Sold real est parttime whike a teacher, retired & went fulltime.
    his area is Scappoose: http://www.oregonfirst.com/agent-detail/Scott-McBeth/113660/

    I can only say from day one all school employees were directed NOT to speak to ANYONE about Kyron or his disappearance whatsoever and were represented by counsel immediately. Parents were directed to Keefer who was only permitted to say that he was in constant contact with MCSO and the subsequent task force. I did not speak to anyone who did not hold McBeth in high regard. Apparently it is only now coming to light the lengths with which PPS has gone to to keep its practices (or lack thereof) out of the public reach.
    B

  42. Rose says:

    anyone remember whether he retired Fall 10 or 11?
    So much mcso did not do, one has zero confidence
    his home computer was examined by warrant in ‘10.

    I have no information any staff home computers were the subject of any searches, consensual or warrant. That includes even those in last contact with Kyron or that were the subject of depositions before the court. Kaine Horman’s work computer, located at the Horman residence, was never taken into evidence for forensic processing. I believe I have also been told (officially but off the record) that none of the system data on the schools computers was preserved as evidence either.

    I personally did not believe that at the time, tending to believe it was more than likely assigned to a LEA with no experience in cyberforensics or digital forensics (disclosure: I am EnCe ) because even if someone believed electronic data was “lost” by some means, it is almost always recoverable in those environments. It is my belief that all relevant data on the schools system was recovered. If that is incorrect, it needs investigation.
    B

  43. Cindy says:

    Round and round we go and it never stops. When will the FBI be called in to put fresh eyes on Kyrons’ disappearance? Who, and how can make this happen to resolve this crime?

    I thought the FBI investigated child porn cases or is it locals who stumble upon a case, or both? I was told a few years back that without the target’s computer there was nothing the FBI could do. Keep in mind they never pursued a search warrant and let the request for investigation die.

    I still think Kyron’s abductor may have a link to this a pedophile with a kiddie porn habit.

    It is true that if this is a sexually motivated pedophile abduction that the data tells us about 70% of the time the offender uses child porn or graphically violent pornography. There is the possibility of State or Fed charges for various child porn crimes, but you are correct, a LEA must become aware of them by some means.
    B

  44. Rose says:

    PPS goes to extreme lengths to sweep employees’ dirty linen, even that which rises to criminal charges, under the rug, and like deceased Bishop of Boston, rotates or retires staff. McBeth retired quickly, didn’t he? And looks much better now than in that classroom pic which was Bannonish. Why a few, like that male para, are publically scapegoated is beyond me. In his particular case, it was likely bcz previously he had confronted supervisors & Union about thwir malpractice with his disabled child population.

  45. Rose says:

    I suppose if Terri were asked, she’d say McBeth was the staff member K and she were closest to in the school due to 2 yrs in his classroom that apparently went well. after all, that’s the person they dropped in to say hi to, wasn’t he? If so, perhaps he told K, be sure to see the cool electric one next door.

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