Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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Regarding the area on Curry Ford where she may have stopped for over an hour before going to Tony’s on June 16th. I came across Chris Stutz’s interview where he states that Casey told him on June 17th she was looking to buy a house in a subdivision by the dump on Curry Ford. Page 17 of his interview.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/05%20Chris%20Stutz%20Transcript.pdf
Could it be that Casey was scoping out the dump during that time to dispose of Caylee’s body?
#439 Kleat…Zanny……I believe is all here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rldre7KSPQ
listen at the beginning..the ID…snatched away..Cindy overlooked
&(Casey’s panic to reach TONY from her call home from the jail)
THEN….listen carefully to Cindy..about her daughter’s purse…..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA
(the ‘decoy’) she prayed that would cause the car to be stolen.
#420 Do you mean was she stashed somewhere other than in the trunk early on for 2.6 days, or do you think she was literally buried somewhere (even tho casey did not seem to have a shovel, at least on the 18th)?
Sorry, I meant stashed one place then hauled to the final dump site. It was one idea I had about how the terps might have gotten into the car. But I also theorized that wind or something she threw in the trunk could have transferred the materials from the dump site down the street as a second cause.
I misused “buried”.
ps no woman forgets her purse..for long and does not go get it backtrack their steps ..your keys…your make-up..your everything???
Unless their is nothing in it but what it in this case it was meant for a decoy.
annie&zanny’s excellent adventure was an excellent piece.when I first discovered BLINK…..and have been hooked ever since!I highly recommend everyone read that over and over again!
MYSTERY
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CHANGE TOWERS
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CHANGE TOWERS
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6:32 PM 28.59993583 81.30325 1-407-619-9286 1-407-275-4909 1 To Home
6:33 PM 28.59993583 81.30325 1-407-619-9286 1-407-619-9286 0 To voicemail
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7:06 PM 1-407-619-9286 1-407-275-4909 0 To Home
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7:21 PM 1-407-619-9286 1-954-328-9214 0 To Amy
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1. 3:39 – 4:14 Anthony Cell Tower
2. 4:18 – 4:21 Toll Tower (for 3-5 mins)
3. 4:25 – 4:53 Colonial Tower (at least 28 mins)
4. 4:53 – 5:57 Gap (1 hr 4 mins)
5. 5:57 – 7:21 Goldenrod/Glenmore and Purlieu Cell Towers (at least 1 hr 24 mins)
6. 7:21 – 8:03 Gap (42 mins – what time does Tony say she arrives?)
7. 8:03 – 11:17 Colonial Tower (the rest of the evening at Blockbuster & Tony’s)
What strikes me as ODD during this time is that she really doesn’t actually TALK to anybody on these calls. And almost all of them are outgoing (18) with little to NO actual talk time. Why doesn’t ANYBODY answer her calls? Why do Cindy & Geo virtually ignore ALL (11) of her calls? She receives 1 call from Tony, 1 call from Annie and 2 calls from Amy. Her 1 call from Tony and then Amy are returning calls which she appears not to answer. It appears from some of the text msgs she is interacting with MySpace and Facebook a few times as well. I believe the one call that lasted 1.5 mins to George at Lexus was spent on hold with them paging him on the dealership lot and he never picked up. From 4:14 until she gets to Tony’s apartment there is no way to know where she was or what she was doing without additional information that I’m sure LE has. I wonder if they have found any video of her/her car during this time?
j.g. #386 (and all others who have commented on the fact that C&G do not visit Casey in jail)
My best guess on that is that Casey has been advised/instructed to refuse their visits, but not because of what they might say/how it might look. I think thats what they may have sold to C&G to get them to comply, however to me it looks more like this is part of a defense strategy, called The Blaming Game. (If they point the finger at C and/or G, it would make sense that Casey did not wish to see them/speak to them/had had enough of “covering” for them with the nanny story, etc)
Not suggesting that this makes for good strategy. Just saying this is one way to understand why no visits have been made for all these months.
Nancy S #389
Thank you for sharing.
Long ago, I pointed out evidence of Casey’s pure rage, as exhibited in jail phone calls with Cindy. One episode is well known/played repeatedly in the media. The one I highlighted is so subtle, and yet so telling.
Casey harbors extreme rage for/toward her (controlling/manipulative/demeaning/demoralizing/critical) mother. She does her best to hide this, but she cannot help but for it to escape. This rage seethes and boils within her, as lava in a volcano. This rage for Cindy was sadly metered out on poor, little, blameless Caylee.
Why does Cindy write that Casey is “jealous” of her? What reason would a mother have to PUBLICLY (on MySpace) humiliate her daughter by accusing her of being “jealous” of the mother?? (talk about pathology)
Cindy was not just complaining that “her” Caylee was “missing” in that post. Cindy was making a point. She was saying that Caylee loves her MORE than Caylee loves Casey. Why else would Casey be “jealous” of her mother?? (50 yrs old, depressed, angry, in a loveless marriage to a man she cannot bring herself to divorce, in dire straits financially, etc).
Casey “destroyed” Caylee to hurt her mother, as much as (if not more than) she did it to free herself of obligation toward her child. (Actually, I’ll go with Shirley Plesea on this one and guess that it had more to do with expressing rage against Cindy)
westsidehudson 405
Yeah… but is Team Baez going to back off of their claim of “innocence” when they give their opening statement now? It’s out there. They’ve said it, and more than once. At least one or many of the jurors is/are certain to remember it. I’m just pointing out that stating she is “innocent” to the media is unwise defense strategy. Juries are not that unaware, or that easily fooled.
Kosmo #424
Not sure who you are referring to. I think that some of us hold the opinion that they knew on July 15th, when they picked up the car and smelled the DECOMP.
JUlie, yep, been all through the ‘car/amscot’ here theories back and forth, purse etc
wsh, could it be one of the main reasons that Lee wanted to dump the laptop contents so can’t prove that Casey did not take or have photos of Zany and Caylee together. (well, back to the Excellent Adventure… I think there are many many many photos of ZG with Caylee and they have been sold by Cindy for profit as we know).
elmosmommy: Would you want your child to have one of those Caylee Bears? What are you going to say to them when they reach, say, 15 and take an interest in a story about a woman on death row. They find out that little bear they’ve been sleeping with for the past 10 years came from people who made money from a murdered grandchild. Would that be a life altering realization?
#439 Kleat..I assumed she had washed clothes at Tony’s place also but why then did she all of the sudden need to go to Ricardo’s to do laundry? perhaps because Tony’s needed coins to wash if an apartment and maybe Ricardo’s not?hmmmm
#450 Steph
Thanks for the info from Chris Stultz interview. I just reread it. So she was perpetuating that back-story about the house. Interesitng that the DUMP is also on/near Curry Ford-if that is what she was up to, imagine how her mind works as she ‘leaked’ that to Chris during her visit on June 17. What could she been thinking. darker and darker….
NO! Not at all as the area where she visited and the “dump” are 2 opposite ends of Curry Ford.
Regarding the area on Curry Ford where she may have stopped for over an hour before going to Tony’s on June 16th. I came across Chris Stutz’s interview where he states that Casey told him on June 17th she was looking to buy a house in a subdivision by the dump on Curry Ford. Page 17 of his interview.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/05%20Chris%20Stutz%20Transcript.pdf
Could it be that Casey was scoping out the dump during that time to dispose of Caylee’s body?
Comment by Julie — August
Hey Blink! As we’ve discussed before about the “players” checking out your site, do you think the prosecution or even perhaps the defense will use any of the theroies tossed about by you and your incredible posters? Do you think BlinkOnCrime will be mentioned at all during the trial? I know I never have much to contribute, everyone else has said what I’ve thought. I just thought I’d toss that out there for something different……. Thanks.
#222 – I’d bet my bippy they were advised by Baez to do that, dumbass move.
B
If the Anthonys (all three) are considered state witness can Atty Baez advise them in any capacity without tampering? Anyone? I really don’t know enough about the law…. It does seem, though, the constant misstatements (if given at the direction of the defense) a possible attempt to interfere with OUR right to a fair and just trial. IMO
no, I was referring to early on, prior to the A’s seeking seperate counsel
B
#401, Orlandoan (and any others folks in the Orlando area): What is the general feeling in the area about Casey Anthony? Do most residents think she’s guilty? What is the general consensus on the Anthonys’ behavior?
#451 julie. It boggles my mind when I think cindy would think anyone would steal that car, even if the door was unlocked keys in the ignition purse on the seat, any thief would have turned and run as soon as the door were opened. Maybe cindy didn’t know about that smell but casey sure did.
A most interesting read:
“Can Evolutionary Psychology Explain Psychopathy?” by Dr. Grant Harris in Entre Nous (the MHCP Newsletter)
http://www.mhcp.on.ca/UserFiles/File/PDF/en2.pdf
Susanm- 419 spill patterns…..I will be watching to see if any information comes out on this at trial, very interesting.
Kleat- I heart all your Dr. Hare references, this case surely fits.
I often wonder, and frankly think, Hare, and those who follow in his work, are getting closer to an answer which just might eventually change the world as we know it. I’m not so sure the world is ready to accept and hear the message yet. But I for one, think only good can come from it, and glad to see others become aware of it, and share it.
What ever happened with the photo that Baez got of the Amscott lot?
#463 Mariann,
What IS at 1625 Curry Ford?
Ros~
It was dark but the entire block is homes. Nice homes on a brick street (an older section of Orlando). If anyone is interested I can go back during the day and specifically see if there is a house with that actual number or cars in the driveway. Not sure if plate numbers would help at this point but I can do it if needed.
there is a hull circle at the corner of hourglass lake ,nearest 1625 cfrd,but was she saying home holt,hull. anyway i have no idea how close hglake is to curry ford rd ,or hull circlke or kayley ave if they ping same tower?
#466 Marcy- I live closeby to the Anthony’s. I’ve driven by their house and the location where they found that precious baby many times. I haven’t met 1 person who thinks that Casey is NOT guilty and most think it’s premeditated. We were however scolded way back when this all started regarding our feelings towards the other so-called “victims” meaning G and C from our church. It was awful for us to discuss the case or speak of the family members in a negative way since they were griving as well. I get all of that– but they are part of the problem in my view. They placed themselves in that position the minute they lied. If they had told the truth- we wouldn’t be disecting their lives and WOULD consider them victims also to a degree. I’m sure they never thought their daughter would do such a hideous deed and in thinking back over their lives- they now secretly probably blame themselves for not insisting on help for Casey earlier on. They will never admit that though- since their daughter is innocent! HA!!
Yesterday I rented “Untraceable”, one of the movies KC watched the night of June 16th with Tony. I could not watch it in one sitting (had to take breaks!), found it riveting but horrific… tried to watch it through the eyes of a person who just killed their child and put her in the trunk. That was difficult. But watching it made me think of several things: the question of what was KC doing during all the times that she told people she was working: texting, on the computer, watching tv/films? And also the several different realities that she was participating in all at the same time: telling Amy about plans to live together in the Anthony’s/or other/ house… telling Mark in California that she was going to visit him…. telling several men at about the same time that they were “special” to her… and of course all the different versions of where Caylee was and the very complex accounts of the fictitious nanny. Also remember the interesting connection between One Tree Hill 100th episode and that particular nanny matching KC’s description of her nanny. I also recalled in one of the jailhouse videos, KC says she can’t do anything “from here” – I always took that to mean that she couldn’t get on the computer. What I am wondering is, by the time she killed Caylee had she slipped so far into an unreal world that she really thought she could manipulate reality on the computer, on the screen, so-to-speak, with no real-world consequences?
OnASeriousNote, i getcha’ re: the lie detector. Fair point.
OneShot, I too am just terribly curious as to what show was on the food channel that day and time, but I’ve been unsuccessful in finding a tv guide or tv listing for Orlando online, and too lazy to go to my local library to see for myself since I’m in the same timezone and figure it must be the same programming.
My table on #465 was much better formatted before I submitted it so sorry its hard to read. At the end of each phone call I added 2 columns. One is the approximate actual “call time” and the other is whether it is “TO” or “FROM” Casey. This is the general period of time Blink talks about in the video. I did this because I was curious about the Curry Ford road reference and I wanted to see with whom and how long she was communicating that afternoon between the time Geo says is the last time he saw them until Tony says she shows up at his place.
PHONE CALLS – When I started color-coding my table is just struck me the fact that she wasn’t actually talking to anybody. Just a bunch of calls with no actual call time because the caller didn’t pick up or she hung up right after they answered (no way to know). So the weird thing is – NOBODY talked to Casey in real-time during that time. Even though she tried to call Cindy, Geo or the house (11 times) – NOBODY answered. Between 3:30p and about 8:00p. what was going on? Casey checks her messages or uses her voicemail box to create messages and send them vmail to vmail.
TEXTS and VOICEMAIL BOX – Most of her texts are either to or from Facebook or Myspace that are automatically generated and a text with just a code-number is sent if you have it set up that way every time someone posts on your page or tries to ‘friend’ you or whatever. The other texts appear to be from AT&T updating how many voicemail messages she has and sending updates to her phone. It appears to me that she has 11 messages at one time – she calls her own number to listen to messages – gets a text that she has 10 messages and then another one saying she has 0 messages. Was Cindy creating voicemail messages and then sending them voicemail box to voicemail box so she doesn’t have to actually talk to Casey? This is very easy to do and there would be no record in the call records. Casey would be able to reply back without having to dial Cindy’s number but it appears to me that she keeps trying to call Cindy over and over again and Cindy IS NOT answering.
So basically there are (28) phone records between 3:39p to midnight. (11) of them are TO Cindy, George or the house. (6) of them are Casey accessing her voicemail features and/or picking up messages. (2) are from Facebook or Myspace. (2) to Tony (1) from Tony but no talk time. (2) to Jesse but no talk time. (1) to Amy (2) from Amy but no talk time. (1) Annie but no talk time.
LOTS of activity – but no actual communication unless its voicemail to voicemail and not real-time. Hmmmm
Psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg considers the main characteristics of narcissistic personalities to be “grandiosity, extreme self-centeredness, and a remarkable absence of interest and empathy for others in spite of the fact that they are so very eager to obtain admiration and approval…It is as if they feel they have the right to control and possess others and to exploit them without guilt feelings, and, behind a surface which very often is charming and engaging, one senses coldness and ruthlessness. These patients not only lack emotional depth, but fail to understand complex emotion in other people. Such individuals experience a remarkably intense envy of other people who seem to have things they do not have, or who simply seem to enjoy their lives. Narcissistic patients possess an overriding necessity to feel great and important in order to cancel feelings of worthlessness and devaluation. At the very bottom of this dichotomy lies a still deeper image of the relationship with external objects, precisely the one against which the patient has erected all these other pathological structures. It is the image of an enraged, empty self–the hungry wolf out to kill, eat, and survive–full of impotent anger at being frustrated, and fearful of a world–devoid of food and love–which seems as hateful and revengeful as the patient himself.”
Problem with one little analogy in Kernbergs statement is the ‘empty self’ as a ‘hungry wolf out to kill, eat, and survive’. While that’s what a wolf does, the wolf is also a highly PRO-social (vs ‘antisocial’) and protects, supports ‘OBEYS ITS SOCIETIES RULES/aka PACK rules’. And they are NOT premiscuous! Only the pack leaders, alpha male and the chosen alpha female, reproduce– not love’em and leave’em like antisocial characters in the human world. It’s not ‘canine eat canine’, their survival, as does ours, depends on cooperation within the human family’.
(as we are into correcting our posts– well, you know what I meant with the last sentence
I am curious why Mark Hawkins interview with LE has not been released?
#477 lily. Good work I’m impressed. Looks like casey (calling home phone 11 times when she knows noone is home, think she is trying to set someone up? So she can say hey, I called to check on caylee but noone answered? Hmmmmm
Blink and all blinksters,
I don’t comment often, but read here everyday, many times a day actually. I realize I’m much more simple minded than I’d like, especially after reading some of the very detailed and well thought out/through comments/thoughts/scenarios.
Just a quick comment on Cindy and George knowing, or not knowing what happened prior to June 15th. First of all, I don’t believe George saw Caylee on the 16th, if he did, I’d be completely shocked, considering how many different times each member of the family has referred back to the 15th. I don’t believe they knew any sooner though. I do think they started to cover and lie at some point early on, don’t know if it’s because Casey came out and told them or Baez did, or both. Who knows, probably won’t ever know. It seems obvious to me that in the beginning, no one knew anything. They were running around repeating things and not knowing which way was up or down. I think it was for a couple of reasons, the most obvious being denial. Also, throw in a pathological liar like Casey, and on top of that, evidence that shows this or that, well they just didn’t know what to think. Very evident by early interviews. I re-watched the hidden video of Lee/Tony today. Wow, what a telling video. Actually, if you watch it on youtube it’s broken into parts, and part 5 was a HUGE eye-opener for me. I was actually taken aback and that rarely happens anymore, not in this case anyway. I think it would be obvious to the most simple minded person that only Casey knew at that point. However, I think it’s fair to say that they all knew Casey well enough to know that they should be wary, and on their toes, also begin to tell half-truths, just on the off chance Casey had lied about anything and everything. Though they got caught in all their own lies. Sure enough, without a warning or push from Casey, they all 3 began to lie for her, and you see where it’s gotten them? I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Let me say this with certainty though…I’ve heard many times, many people say that no matter how hard we try, we just don’t know what we would do if put in their situation, therefore, we must have sympathy of some kind for them. I say …HORSE-FEATHERS!!! I might NOT KNOW how I WOULD act, but I can tell you this…I know how I WOULD NOT ACT….I would not lie under oath, I would not cover or obstruct justice by hiding evidence, washing evidence, or erasing it..etc. etc… I know this because I’m HUMAN and would EXPECT without a doubt that my child be punished for something so heinous. Beyond that, I would want JUSTICE for my grandchild, regardless of who was in the path of that.
I won’t ramble, but as I said, I think it’s more simple in the beginning, only became more complex with all the Anthony’s lying. Just Casey by herself…well, that one is a little easier. The A’s didn’t believe Casey was working all that time, they say so themselves in a few of the first interviews. I think by some of the things Casey says, it seems evident that she spent much of her time just driving around. Have you really listened to her speak of streets, and/or directions to/from a particular location? She knows every street by name, and can give the cross streets for all of them as well. Lee says in the hidden video part 5, Casey claimed to be spending a lot of time just staking out the house, watching, waiting to see what “they” would do. Seems as if he is speaking of the supposed kidnappers, but in reality, if you listen to it twice, he pretty much explains that Casey was watching the Anthony’s home each day. Soon as everyone was gone for the day, or it was “safe,” she and Caylee went back, she probably went straight for the computer or her phone, then she could lie and live her “other” life, the one that included friends, jobs, money, MEN, lot’s of them, maybe even her knight in shining armor.. BUT in reality off and on throughout the day, she was “at work” being a….NANNY. Sometimes she worked at home, sometimes she worked at an office. I suppose the days Cindy or George would be home would be the days she had to go into the office. I would imagine if you asked her friends, they would recall her hardly ever going to the office, mostly working from home. For whatever reason(s), and whatever trigger(s), on June 15th, Casey put an end to the one thing in the world her mother thought she could control that Casey actually had control over…well ultimately. She may have even thought she was doing Caylee some kind of favor, given her insane way of thinking. I do believe though, on the 15th, something happened to Caylee at the hands of Casey. I think it was pre-meditated in the sense that Casey has known all along the day would come, she just wasn’t sure when/where/how. She put Caylee in the trunk, went on about her merry way, off to Blockbuster, off to the tattoo parlor, Target, JcPenney, and on with her life. Her new….beautiful life. The only thing she didn’t realize was in that new life, her knight in shining armor would come dressed as a lawyer, and he wouldn’t just love her….He will love her TO DEATH.
#463 is that the time she left caylee’s swim items with him?
#472-473 Thanks Mariann and Susanm. I was able to do the man on the street from google maps. It doesn’t pinpoint an exact 1625.–(numbers skipped as you are scanning and it appears maybe it an empty lot between homes.) I don’t really understand how Blink knows that particular address from the tower pings anyway.
Curiosity is —who lives there that she would know.-then, of course, why would she go there at that time, what did she do for an hour and 1/2.
In my state, I can type in an address and access property owners names as part of the property tax assessment system. Does FL have that system available as public record?
I do not understand why Casey has not been held to account all of her fables. I seriously doubt she will be taking the stand at trial, so I wish just someone within the LE community could call her on these lies. Demand the “note of instructions” from Zenaida, demand an answer why she was night clubbing during the 31 days Caylee was “missing” and her false claim she was out looking. Demand her pathetic excuse of why her fingerprint was found on the ducttape, demand what naive magic potion she was using on Cindy for her to not have the least bit of inquiry as to what the contact info was to the person that was supposedly looking after her own granddaughter. Demand an answer why after she was bailed out of jail by Leonard Padilla under the pretense that she would assist in the search for her missing daughter, but instead was a couch potato being “protected” by Cindy and George as to if Leonard asked too many questions, and when Mr.Padilla had enough of Casey’s apathy and demanded Casey get off her lazy backside and assist in the search, she responds by rudely telling the same man who posted $500,000 to bail her out, to get out of “her” house.
boo – I didn’t break down individually how many times she called Cindy’s cell, the house and George at the Lexus dealership. It is (7) calls to Cindy’s cell, (2) calls to George at Lexus and (2) calls to the house phone. It doesn’t appear that she actually talked to them except POSSIBLY a 1 1/2 minute call to the Lexus dealership at 4:14. My guess is that she was ‘on hold’ at the Lexus dealership while they tried to page George but I don’t know that for sure. I don’t think she actually talked to anybody during this entire time.
trying to figure out which day she went to chris stutz in tony’s jeep,just reread chris stutz,he says he saw casey just randomly the night before ,she came over in tony”s jeep,june 17th(if not ,then 18th ,if not then 19th,so he saw her randomly the night before ,at scoops,? what time? so she decided to stop by the next day,5:00 til 7:00?how sure are you asks yuri ? pretty sure my mother and i went over it. then at the end of the interview he changes to it was a couple of days in between.tony doesnt tell the she borrowed my jeep story iirc? did she take his jeep w/o permission while he was at school?she says to chris her car is broken down,but she’s in car on the 18th, and in her car on the 19th so big hmmmmm….she wasnt at scoops on the 16th,can anyone cross reference? tony’s poly had areas that needed clarification,is that considered a fail?
I must voice my disgust over what seems to be an epidemic now in this country. We as a society are starting to excuse crimes on the basis of situations such as a rough or abusive past and childhood. Sadly, I am beginning to see this pattern of taking into consideration and based on “feelings” rather than the cold hard laws of responsibility of one’s actions. It is less important of the crime itself, and geared more towards ones past. That is sickening. There are plenty of people with abusive childhoods who grow up never to commit crimes, and violent ones at that. It’s time to start getting tough on the ‘former abused’ who are feeling justified by taking victims, all under the cover of a rough childhood
were the holes in the bag consistent with leakage?did the hole go through all three bags? or two? or one?was there a stain on the laundry bag consistant with the stain in the car??to indicate whether the laundry bag was part of the original bagging? does anyone know these answers?i liked three d animated video ,but io wanted the stone they removed and i wanted to see the correct sihlouette of the bag-opened? handles tied?and i am curious what was still ?inside the bag and what was outside the bag?
This may have already been addressed, but I was thinking about the real possibility of the “code” dialog between Casey and Lee was really a message to Lee to go home and get rid of everything incriminating on that computer. Do you all think that this was plausible?
I just read the entire transcripts of Chris Stutz’s interview with LE and I don’t see anything about Casey leaving or Chris returning a bag or swim items? Can someone point me to a link for that? Was there another interview?
EXCELLENT POINT. It is never mentioned there.
B
http://paraster.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx?pin=302306680000040
Well, here’s what I found (or what I didn’t find).
Crossing with whitepages.com (duh, google man on the street, and Orlando Appraisers, there are discrepancies in how this property is listed. Go figure. 1625 doesn’t show on google map (the address skips) because the lots behind on Hull are attached. It seems like there are homes on both parcels in most cases but maybe not on Curry Ford side for this lot. Anyhow, 1704 Curry Ford is actually 1625 Hull Circle and home to a Lambert-Hannan family. (There is a Jeff at that residence but most likely a coincidence)Neigbors names from either street do not seem like anyone from the known cast of characters in this case.
I am thinking the significance has more to do with access to Hour Glass Lake from these back properties.
Blink, should I be spending so much time on this?
I think she was scoping any possibilities to dump her child.
B
I want to comment on Silver’s #426, paragraph 6.
Excellent point.
1. It is not incomprehensible that Casey has had an alias in the past. It could be a joke she stared back in her past and now it has become a crutch when she is caught between a rock and a hard place. My nick name Randie started when I was in a play in Junior High School….I still use it from time to time.
2. Didn’t an officer “grab” some kind of identy from behind Casey’s authentic ID??! All of assuming it was a “ZG identity”.
3. Some one who posted a while back stated that it is known that the Morgan and Morgan ZG HAD been to many many many aqprtment complexes and “checked” out each development on the same day. (Casey could have used any name of a apartment developments and probably been right on).
4. Is it possible………that Cayse had no knowledge of any ZG other than the identy she created? It is possible that she used SGrass Apts and then later found out a ZG had bee there? It is possible that Cayse “had a spot of good luck” after the fact.
5. Is is possible that after the fact, she decided “search” for a really ZG to pin it on?
6. Have you ever heard someone talk in 3rd person? When they have done something and don’t want to own up to it? Could it be that ZG DID kill Caylee? Maybe Casey wasn’t lying. If she has a second identy as ZG—it stands to reason “she” would say that Zanny did it. She wouldn’t be lying. She would just pass the buck onto ZG, and ZG would take the fall.
My point: Cayse had a second identy….and used it….then tried to find thru computer searches a ZG to pin it on.
5-24-08 Casey gives false information as ZG to a police officer when getting a trafic ticket. She presents no ID
5-30-08 Is it possible that Casey visits J. Grund and asks for his help thru OPD.
6-09-08 An office to ZG is burglarized and her computer is stolen. (This is ALSO the original date that Cayse gives for Caylee’s kidnapping by ZG).
6-10-08 ZG (Casey), pays the moving violation fine in full, in person.
6-11-08 Posing as ZG? Court docket is updated.
6-12-08 FORENSIC COMPUTER EVIDENCE LOCATED ON CASEY’S COMPUTER shows she was searching for a Z and my space profile.
7-15-08 The day before Casey is arrested, Casey writes herself a check for 250.00 in cash at a downtown BoA at 1:24 pm. A payment is made on ZG’s summons as this is the due date of 50.00….payment is made in person. It should be noted there are 16 closer BoA locations that also have bank tellers, and 50 locations w/in a 17 mile radius. She choses this one, as it is LESS THAN A BLOCK from the Orange Conty Clerk’s office, where the payment was made.
7/16- 8-21 Casye is incarcerated.
8-15-08 Status changed to prosecutorial for lack of respected payment.
9-15-08 No payment made.
10-15-08 No payment made
11-15-08 No payment made
12-10-08 Default notice issued.
1/9- 1/13 Warrant issued.
Casey had bigger issues than keeping up with the established payment plan.
(Thanks Blink for these timeless information and facts!!!!!!)
ZG did do it…..Casye’s other identity.
susanm, to give you a clue to one of your questions (Tony’s jeep, which day), go to:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/23/caseycaylee-anthony-case-cindy-anthony-casey-had-to-have-help/ and check out Post #17 part 2.
There’s your answer. Also answers the question about all those ‘unanswered phone calls on the 16th’. Why those calls and NOBODY answered? What can a person make repeated calls to someone for besides talking to that person, or anyone at that phone number? (that’s a hint)
Well, that makes sense-simple and uncomplicated. After looking at that area, she probably couldn’t be sure not to be seen. And/or, she would have had to walk too far in carrying the baby’s heavy body.
Again, not a long-term planner. If you are making a grand plan, that would include what to do with the body.
So, then, she placed Caylee somewhere (backyard/Playhouse) while she ‘shopped’ for a spot.
I am wondering next, if she decided to put her in the trunk after (next day) she saw the movie or before. How did she know those scenes were in the movie about a body in the trunk? Did she choose the movie or did Tony? I wonder what that conversation was like.
Then, after a night with Tony, she continues tending to her gruesome task. Is that how we see this unfolding?
WOW ROS GOOD WORK,i think with the clarifying cell pings the picture is coming clearer,if that backs up to hull and to the lake,i think it stands a good chance this was being considered as a dump spot now i just wonder scene of death?or at house?it makes sense now ,with more evidence,you could consider that she left on the 16th ,considers the dump at other end of curryford ,stops in to visit chris,returns to the house w/body on 18th because indecisivenes over where to rest,considers back yard,put’s her in back yard(how does the decomp get in back yard?(is this when she breaks bag?taking out of car? and adds another bag &laundry bag,maybe she is considering going over the back fence,or does (dont know if the woods are to thick and scary to go that far)or realizes its too hard too far too heavy so changes her mind and drives instead.can some add to this or discount?also,i dont know the access from garage to backyard.
oops #496 correction :i skipped a part,should read :left on the 16th with caylee,goes to hull circle hourglass lake (assuming),decides not leave her there,rents untraceable that night ,for a reason,next day ,considers the dump at other end cuury ford,stops in…..
lily, check out:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/20/cayleecasey-anthony-case-caylees-autopsy-revelations-part-i/
and look for a comment #50 from PamTx and follow on down to Blink’s comment at the end.
What’s odd about the way that bag of swim gear is tied to Casey as Blink suggests… I don’t know, but how did Casey get Tony’s Jeep, where was Casey’s car all the night of the 15th? If it was in the Anthony driveway in the morning, why would someone in the Anthony home be phoning Casey so early in the morning? (casey did mention that she wanted to start her personal fitness again, getting up early in the morning)
I’m trying to recall, was it Stutz who saw Casey jogging, or someone he thought was Casey, and called her, she denied it was her.
Of course Stutz’s statement would be redacted– he’d have discussed the swim gear and how it had been left at his place.
Blink, why would Casey be calling Stutz from jail, and did she have his phone number off the top of her head? (she couldn’t remember Tony’s number, her current lover who she had just stayed with, called regularly)
Why Stutz…
What kind of laundry bags do the Stutz’s have, and are they missing one?
Casey was hanging out for a couple hours over the supper hr. Time to use a washroom, maybe visit the laundry area, drop off Caylee’s swim duds if she hadn’t already left them there previously (but her mom would have asked her about those and where they disappeared to).
Did Stutz have some info that Casey didn’t want him talking about (being seen somewhere by him– jogging)? Was that why she called him from jail, or was her call to target him as ‘involved’?