Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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I worked for AT&T for many years. The engineering resources and time would be costly and few/far between. I’m sure they would do it if they were paid though.
Oh so what I’m getting from the other comments is it was actually george she was speaking to at work at Lexus? If that’s the truth then seems to me as if George and Casey were doin some plottin
PamTx, absolutely!! How many missing children posters don’t bother to put on what the child was wearing when last seen, if that’s known!! Important piece of info, absolutely. George should have wanted to put that info out front and center because even if the child’s clothes were later changed, anyone sighting the child on the date last seen needs to have that info– they may remember the clothes as part of the sighting, maybe the only part. Sort of critical but maybe they didn’t do that ‘back in George’s day on the force– right!
Thanks for the answer Lily.
Kleat
Yeah, I kind of meant to say that but it came out jumbled and with multiple typos.
I was thinking that if the study was done, maybe that is why Agent Moore’s ananlysis states that she was at the residence until later in day??
Although it was hard to read what Blink posted (even enlarged, for me), the 1:00 call looks like she could have left. Very confusing! Where is that document from that Blink posted? Is there a link to a sharper version?
What I don’t know is – when you’re on a call and moving (being handed off from one tower to the next and so on) do the call records show the original tower where the call originated or the last tower – the terminating tower? Does anybody? I can make some calls and find out.
Blink,
150 pages of Casey’s AT&T cell records showing every call and every tower she pinged during those calls were released to the public last September 23. I downloaded them from docstoc on September 28.
People have been talking about the June 16 tower pings ever since then.
This is not a bombshell, and Casey’s pings on June 16 only show that she was within three miles of one of the towers she pinged. The pings do NOT prove she was in the house after 12:50pm on the afternoon of June 16; the pings only show she never left the neighborhood.
It’s been widely speculated that Casey left the house before 1:00pm, hung and around somewhere close by until she knew George would have left, and then returned to the house. Lee lives less than a mile away, so there was heavy speculation that she had a key to Lee’s place and hung out there. This is a popular theory with people who believe the laundry bag found with the remains was taken from Lee’s house.
At any rate, the pings mean she was within three miles of one of the three towers she hits when she’s home. They do not prove that she was inside the Anthony home, so they do not prove that George did not see them leave before 1:00pm.
With great respect, we disagree on the part about whether or not she left the home. If you review the specific reports from SA Morris, I am referring to the Casey movements portion, they are tracking her coming and going within 1 minute to a max 4 minutes. I respect your opinion, but I never believed he saw them that day, his version needs a shave, I am referring to the 3rd one, and imo, he just got it.
That said, Lee is .24 mi from there, I have driven it, and I do agree she spent time there. That is the first I have heard about the laundry bag coming from Lee’s house, considering the description is wrong in the last discovery and made it seem like it came from the “A”s although I do not believe that personally.
B
Not knowing precisely where those cell towers are (goldenrod road & chelsea harbor drive), although I looked up the roads, does anyone know that if you were hypothetically in the center of two towers, equal distance, etc, could your cell ping off of one tower vs. another depending on conditions that might affect transmissions?
I don’t know a thing about this, but let’s say there is some kind of interference with one, could you get bounced to the other? Maybe someone can tell me if wind, weather, or even escalated use of cellphone and wireless activity in the area could affect a connection to a tower? Maybe lily can find out.
Blink, I followed the link in your article & can find nothing from June 16th found on the computer.
DONT POST THIS, JUST CHECK IT SEE IF I AM WRONG
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Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
Your correct, I just realized that is part of the report, I need to get JWG on here, or someone to search his post, he has the accurate desktop computer data, JWG or Maura!!
B
Okay, here’s something to add about the calls from TonyL on June 16th.
I’ve been re-reading this part of the newly released report ’til I’m cross eyed, so maybe a ‘phone’ person can explain.
I’m taking it from this excerpt:
************
MBI Agent William Moore was aware that AT&T’s cellular towers were generally
oriented to the north and sectors for AT&T service range from 0-120°, 120-240°, and
240-360°. In order to determine the sector of service for a particular entry, it was
necessary to look at the last digit of the CID (Cell ID). The last digits of 1, 4, 7 represent
the general area of 0-120°, digits 2, 5, 8 represent the general area of 120-240°, and
Supplemental Report (Agent William E. Moore)
MBI-08V-230 (01/28/09) Page 5
digits 3, 6, 9 represent the general area of 240-360°.
**********
…..does this mean the last digit of the cell number relates to the tower?? used??? It says sector, which is where I’m confused. Can anyone help?? in the meantime I’ll be looking myself.
My point being, if TonyL calls from the same number at 11 am, and then again calls using the same cell number at 1300 (1pm), does that mean she had to move somewhere nearby because his same phone used a different tower to get her phone???? The last digit of TonyL’s cell is a 3.
Hope that makes sense…..I know other posts have suggested this, but wondered if this is a clue to confirm whether or not it’s correct.
wsh, I just saved to desktop as a .png so I could open and zoom in, it was clear enough that way. Am sure there is another version, check wftv’s story, they have separated the docs a bit. I haven’t checked there for pings.
Here’s what JWG said on here about Casey’s computer use on June 16th:
Comment by JWG — June 18, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
I think the evidence is conclusive she was on an AIM chat in the home just beginning before 8AM.
The forensic evidence for the chat was taken directly from the HP desktop hard drive, from the computer user account that KC used.
Two and a half hours later she uploaded a picture of Fusion to Photobucket from the IP address registered for the Anthony home.
So while her cell phone pings all morning and into the afternoon from a location that could be her parent’s or Lee’s, the desktop computer clearly places her at her parents at 8AM-sh and 10:30AM-ish.
Blink
You sweetheart, I went to the last entry of yours and saw that you answered my question # 57 to Gypsy.
Now the games will begin. I’m starting to think that the defense is going to go with some type of accidental death that was later concealed by Cindy and George.
You are a clever girl!
KUDOS
TY, and yep. Except I still say Mac won’t make the round for that strategy, and he was the best chance.
B
Well done blink, I was writing something up on this, googled for a timeline of the 16th and I see you did all the heavy lifting already.
Here’s an interview with George on Greta giving the timeline for the 16th.
He starts describing it at the 3:40 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIu7Ens4WIo
TY.
For anyone that needs a refresher as to where George’s story started out, please watch this link.
Btw, lets not forget Cindy’s she left the house without warning…
B
Lee’s old house on Eagle Feather Drive is 1.4 miles away to drive, but less than a mile away from the Anthony house as the crow flies. His house would hit the same towers as the Anthony house.
Another possibility is that Casey drove around the corner and sat at the elementary school making phone calls until she knew George would be gone.
I saved these comments by JWG in a Word doc. He posted them on BoC on the following thread:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/16/cayleecasey-anthony-case-exclusive-cindy-anthonys-scathing-message-to-tim-miller/#more-1872
Comment by JWG — June 18, 2009 @ 11:30 am
The information was contained in a zipped computer forensics data file that was part of the September discovery release. The file was not posted by media but at least one local has been obtaining raw copies of the discovery as they are released and provided me with the 97MB file. The information is actually on page 947 of discovery (part of the computer forensic report) but it is near impossible to read because LE dumped it into that file as raw HTML. What is in the zipped file is both an HTML file and PDF file that can be viewed normally in a web browser.
Anyway, from the forensic report we can see that the AIM chat fragment was taken from allocated space (not deleted) held by the account “owner” on the HP desktop. Ironically, KC used the password-protected “owner” account with administrative rights, and her parents used the unprotected user account “casey”.
Comment by JWG — June 18, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
I think the evidence is conclusive she was on an AIM chat in the home just beginning before 8AM.
The forensic evidence for the chat was taken directly from the HP desktop hard drive, from the computer user account that KC used.
Two and a half hours later she uploaded a picture of Fusion to Photobucket from the IP address registered for the Anthony home.
So while her cell phone pings all morning and into the afternoon from a location that could be her parent’s or Lee’s, the desktop computer clearly places her at her parents at 8AM-sh and 10:30AM-ish.
Comment by JWG — June 18, 2009 @ 3:20 pm
I don’t know how the desktop computer was connected to the internet at the parent’s home – wireless or ethernet – but my point is she was not on a portable computer. She did not start using the laptop to any degree until the following day. The forensics make it clear she was on the desktop IMing the morning of the 16th and not on the laptop.
Hope that helps!!
Bravo Maura and thanks.
B
This is Casey’s instant messaging exchange with WitePlayBoi AKA Alex R. on the HP computer on Monday, June 16, 2008. As JWG noted, this exchange was found on the HP hard drive in allocated space, so it had not been deleted:
WitePlayboi (7:56:15 AM): hey how was the showcase
casey o marie (7:56:34 AM): it went really well!
casey o marie (7:56:39 AM): you should come out one friday
WitePlayboi (7:57:15 AM): i will once i quit my job
casey o marie (7:57:30 AM): awesome!
casey o marie (7:57:33 AM): how’s life love?
WitePlayboi (7:58:17 AM): i finished 12th in one of the biggest online poker tourneys last night…i was pissed
casey o marie (7:59:07 AM): alex, that’s great though!
casey o marie (7:59:11 AM): you’re really stepping it up
WitePlayboi (7:59:34 AM): if i won it was like
WitePlayboi (7:59:35 AM): uhmmm
WitePlayboi (7:59:46 AM): set me up for the next 4 years type money
WitePlayboi (8:00:07 AM): instead
WitePlayboi (8:00:10 AM): scraps
casey o marie (8:00:19 AM): holy crap hun!
WitePlayboi (8:00:29 AM): first was 125,000
casey o marie (8:00:38 AM): jesus Christ
WitePlayboi (8:00:53 AM): i get 9000
WitePlayboi (8:00:58 AM): see why its so upseting lol
casey o marie (8:01:08 AM): still, 9000 isn’t bad at all babe
WitePlayboi (8:01:33 AM): so what r u up 2
casey o marie (8:02:02 AM): not a whole lot. checking up on all the myspace/facebook hoopla
casey o marie (8:02:03 AM): yourself?
WitePlayboi (8:02:23 AM): im at my moms chillin
WitePlayboi (8:02:28 AM): gonna get a haircut in a lil
casey o marie (8:02:32 AM): nice
casey o marie (8:02:37 AM): how’s your place working out?
WitePlayboi (8:02:50 AM): ehhh..i cant wait for the lease to be up
WitePlayboi (8:02:54 AM): waant my own place
casey o marie (8:02:58 AM): this is true
casey o marie (8:03:53 AM): i’m finally moving into my house, at the end of the month. i’ll have a roommate for
a little bit. but at least my friend amy is like living with myself.
WitePlayboi (8:04:17 AM): yeah u told me
WitePlayboi (8:04:19 AM): thats hot!
casey o marie (8:04:23 AM):
casey o marie (8:04:29 AM): i’m extremely excited
casey o marie (8:04:34 AM): it’s well passed due
WitePlayboi (8:04:49 AM): u gonna invite me over
casey o marie (8:05:09 AM): most definitely
WitePlayboi (8:05:20 AM): late night randevous
casey o marie (8:05:25 AM): haha no no
casey o marie (8:05:32 AM): but poker games, beer pong, the usually hang outs
casey o marie (8:05:40 AM): casey really likes this boyfriend of hers
WitePlayboi (8:05:44 AM): i had to try
casey o marie (8:05:59 AM): i know
casey o marie (8:06:00 AM): ha ha
Then at 10:27 am Eastern on June 16, Casey downloaded to her Photobucket account a picture taken of the inside of Fusian. The download information provided by Photobucket indicates the photo was downloaded using the Anthony’s Bright House Network IP address, 97.100.16.240.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42598215.pdf page 401 she’s im’ing with white playboi she’s promoting fusian trying to get whitplayboi to come friday night,obviously casey,if someone wanted to suggest george or cindy.did cindy punch a timecard? probably not huh, i’d like to know what time she arrived for work june16th,late? who made the 7:45 call?
Blink-
Did you make the spreadsheet showing earlier, or have a link to it with the tower info? I don’t see it now. From what I’m reading that change in tower based on the cell tower sectors could indicate she moved slightly for that 1300 call. I’d like to find a few more spreadsheets like that lol.
Lol, I switched it out for the Youtube because it is confusing if you juxtapose it with the “Intensified Study” that is tracking her movement. That study is specifically taking into account the placement and exposures and trajectories, blah blah. They commissioned that for a reason.
Ok. I think I maybe had a little too much caffeine or something earlier but several things I’ve thought about since posting. Maura is absolutely correct. Cell phone towers are spaced and sized according to how much cell traffic during peak times, the terrain or topology of the area, the types of cell services offered, the number of providers serving those areas, etc. Cell providers often share towers and sometimes switch traffic between each other via contractual arrangements. What I read in this report is that typically a tower covers a radius of about 3 miles (very subjective of course). Cell phone calls are handed off as one passes from one tower to another and depending upon how much cell traffic there is – calls can/may be handed off to one of any of the towers covering that area. These cell towers often overlap a ton in highly populated metropolitan areas and along traffic jam routes, etc. The switching isn’t that complicated but its more than I should really go into here – and trust me – I’m no expert.
So really, George could be telling the truth. Casey and Caylee could have left the house and stayed in the general area and still ping to the main home tower or one of the towers near the house. Until she strays out of the physical range of any of the towers, theoretically she could ping to any number of towers in any given area.
OK – now the part where the experts come in is: There are apparently (sometimes) ways to go beyond just knowing which cell tower actually handled the call. They can do some ‘juxtapositional’ reverse engineering and I guess look at the angles of the network coverage, the traffic at that time of day and really look at the ‘rules’ built into the network to understand if the call didn’t hit the “1st rule” – and maybe not the ’2nd rule’ – why it may have been handed to the ’3rd rule’ or the 3rd most desirable route. Oh, gosh. Hopefully this makes some sense – I’ve worked in this industry for a long time but I’ve never tried to explain it and honestly I understand land line switching much much better.
Hope this helps a little?
Timeline for Monday, June 16 with HP Activity
Midnight to 3:00a, Casey and Tony texting back and forth; Casey was pinging Anthony towers for every call.
3:00a, Tony called Casey for 14 minute phone conversation, pinging an Anthony tower.
Casey’s phone goes dead until 7:45a (sleeping).
Cindy left for work by 7:30am to be at work for 8:00a. Cindy claimed she went to Casey’s door before she left, but the door was closed and she didn’t hear any noise, so she knew they were still sleeping.
George said in general, he would get up around 7:30-8:00a (shortly after Cindy left); Casey and Caylee would often sleep together in Casey’s room and would come out of their room around 9:30a.
Casey retrieved a voice mail at 7:45a left sometime earlier from the Anthony home line; my theory is that Cindy left Casey message before leaving for work that was about the fight they had the night before, and Cindy didn’t want George to know what she was saying to Casey (so she didn’t leave a note on the kitchen counter). Casey called the Cingular Voicemail access number to retrieve the message, and there is no cell tower activity, which means it was not a live call. The retrieval is only one second long, so my guess is Casey deleted it as soon as she heard Cindy’s voice.
Between 7:00-8:00a, there was heavy use of the Anthony HP Computer. This time period would include Casey’s IM exchange with Alex from 7:56-8:06am.
Between 8:00-9:00a, use of the Anthony HP Computer dropped significantly.
Between 9:00-10:00a, there was no use of the Anthony HP Computer.
Between 10:00-11:00a, use of the Anthony HP Computer was heavy again. This is the time period for Casey’s Fusian photo download to her Photobucket account from the Anthony home IP address at 10:27am Eastern.
11:47am Tony called Casey for 19 minute phone call (pinging an Anthony tower).
Between 11:00a-12:00p, use of the Anthony HP Computer was moderate.
Between 12:00-1:00p, there was no use of the Anthony HP Computer.
12:50p George said he saw Casey and Caylee leave.
Between 1:00-2:00p, there was no use of the Anthony HP computer.
1:00p Tony called Casey for 14 minute phone call (pinging an Anthony tower).
1:45p Casey called Amy for 36 minute phone call (pinging an Anthony tower).
George Anthony left for work around 2:00-2:30p.
Between 2:00-3:00p, there was suddenly heavy use on the Anthony HP Computer. This could have been George using the HP from 2:00-2:30p or it could be Casey using the HP from 2:30-3:00p. LE knows who was using the computer and when!
There were heavy thunderstorms and lightening according to Weather Underground (OIA data) between 2:20-3:53pm with the heaviest rainfall between 3:24-3:44pm. The thunderstorms rule out the possibility of an accidental pool drowning since Casey and Caylee would not have been outside in the pool during such bad weather.
2:52p Jesse called Casey for 12 minute call (pinging an Anthony tower).
Between 3:00-4:00p, there was no use of the Anthony HP Computer.
3:04p – George called Casey (26 seconds – pinging an Anthony tower).
3:23p Casey received text message from unknown caller (pinging an Anthony tower).
3:35p Casey received text message from unknown caller (pinging an Anthony tower).
3:35p Casey called Tony (22 seconds – pinging an Anthony tower).
3:40p Casey received text message from unknown caller (pinging an Anthony tower).
Between 4:00-5:00p, no use on the Anthony HP Computer.
Casey made a flurry of cell calls starting at 4:10p to family and friends.
4:10p – Casey called Lexus of Orlando (34 seconds – pinging Anthony tower).
4:11p – Casey called Cindy’s cell (3 seconds – pinging an Anthony tower).
4:13p – Casey called Cindy’s cell (2 seconds – pinging an Anthony tower).
4:15p – Casey called Lexus of Orlando (98 seconds – pinging an Anthony tower).
4:18p – Casey’s on the road, pinging a tower wet of the 408 and 417 intersection, heading for Tony’s, when she sends Tony a text message.
4:19p – Tony sent a text to Casey (still pinging a tower west of the 408 and 417 intersection, heading for Tony’s).
4:20p – Casey called Tony (58 seconds – still pinging a tower wet of the 408 and 417 intersection, heading for Tony’s).
4:22p – Casey called Jesse Grund (75 seconds – pinging a tower wet of the 408 and 417 intersection, heading for Tony’s).
4:25p – Casey called Cindy’s cell (3 seconds – pinging a tower near Amscot, which is one of the towers she hits when she is at Tony’s apartment.
Casey was either almost at his apartment at this point, or she was already there. I believe she was already there because she didn’t call him or send him another text for the rest of the night, and all her calls for the rest of the night were pinging one of the three towers she hits when she’s in his apartment.
4:53p Casey received a text message from unknown
5:58p Casey received a text message from unknown
6:32p – Casey called Cindy’s cell (3 seconds).
6:33p – Casey called Anthony home (17 seconds).
6:33p – Casey called her own phone (51 seconds).
7:06p – Casey called Anthony home (83 seconds).
7:20p – Casey called Amy Huizenga (42 seconds).
8:00p Tony Lazzaro and Casey captured on videotape at Blockbusters renting two movies – no Caylee.
Excellent Work, and Casey is at Chris Stutz’s the next day with Tony’s Jeep. Not her own car. The ONE PERSON she calls twice the night of her arrest. What did she give him that he brought back to the A’s?
B
On one of the sites about a month or 2 ago, somebody posed the question: could anybody remember what one of their children or other relatives was wearing a few weeks ago on a given day? My son left for Scout camp last Saturday and I can’t remember what he was wearing when he left. During the few days before that he was coming and going with his friends and now, a week and 1/2 later, I wouldn’t be able to pinpoint any specific sitings of him quite frankly lol. Doesn’t anyone besides me believe that George was just trying to say whatever sounded reasonable at that time, without really having any recollection?
yep,….okay…enough of that for me….if you go back to even the 15th you can see she pings primarily off two towers when she talks to TonyL at the house (or nearby), and it’s very seemingly random. Have to go uncross my eyes now….
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th
Chris brought a bag of clothes…including swimsuit
Lilly gets blinkbiscuits, for what pray tell might he have those for? I did not see anything in his statement about that..
MMMUUUHHHAAAA (for silver)
B
57 Blink
I looked at the reports from MBI Agent Moore, and he wrote that Casey was “in the area of her parent’s residence” until approximately 1415 hours.
You changed what he said when you wrote, “According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th.”
He never claims anywhere that she was in the house all day. He simply said she was in the area.
I don’t know where the document is that refers Casey’s movements within 1 minute to a max 4 minutes. And in your note to my comment, you referenced SA Morris – I don’t know who that is, so maybe I am missing a whole report.
Maura, my friend-
I did not “change” his report ( and thank you for the correction it is SA Moore, and not Morris, I should know better than to rely on what used to be a photographic memory.. that ship has sailed) It is my OPINION based on his report. Where I am getting the 1-4 minutes is if you reference the Casey Movement report:
6/16 16:14 in area of residence, 16:18 movement
6/17 14:44 area of residence, 14:45 movement
6/18 16:10 in area of residence , 16:11 movement
As anyone will tell us, without a verifiable surveillance video or real time satellite image, there is no “smoking gun” here or anywhere in the ping world. Truth be told, the only real way to corroberate is to have George’s pings in this scenario.
I stand by my assertion George did not see Caylee and Casey at the home, as he stated on 6/16.
That said, it is also not “provable” at this juncture, I concur
B
Lillypad,#74
“Chris brought a bag of clothes…including swimsuit”
WHAT????? LINK PLEASE, or page, whatever….
lily#7,
Thanks for the explanation. It clears up a lot in my mind.
Kleat,
I’m on a MAC without windows , so that png thing wouldn’t be compatible. But between Blink & lily, I think the issue has been cleared up for me.
Blink, in Chris Stutz police interview Chris Stutz says that Casey stopped by his house on June 17th in Tony’s jeep. Reason, he says he had seen her the night before. Where an why would he have seen her if she went from her parents house to Tony’s on the 16th?
If GA did not come home the night of the 15th where was he?
She said “they haven’t even found her clothes yet” Was she setting up Chris?
Hey wsh– no windows here either
But maybe it’s the new ‘universal’ architecture, you could just save to whatever your’lil Mac’s heart desires! What OS are you using, leo?
Casey had a little visit with Chris Stutz and for some reason, there was a bag of Caylee’s swim pool stuff left there, IIRC, he thought from some past swim Caylee had at their place. Could Casey have been setting him up by having him bring that bag of Caylee’s swim items to Cindy– ?
yes, thanks Lily! The resources in this site are getting better and more diverse every minute!
On the Baez “innocent” comment versus saying she’s “not guilty”…it shows what an idiot he is as there is no such plea as “innocent” and there is no verdict “innocent” It’s guilty or not guilty.
IDK if she was setting up Chris or not, but she sure wouldn’t have wanted Caylee’s things in Tony’s jeep. “Hey Chris can you keep these things of Caylee’s til I can pick them up later, I don’t want to drag them around with me while I’m driving Tony’s car.” Just a thought????
Following Blink’s suggestion on her comments to Post #64 by YTTH, Took the ‘refresher’ course in “Greta Questions George on the Couch” by watching the link that YTTH provided.
George made two slips that I had not noticed before– the first one is a doosey– he forgot his lines!!
Around the 3:40 mark, as YTTH pointed out, George gets a chance to speak after Cindy sets the stage with “My husband.. uhm…actually saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th of June”
Greta asks George about that and if he remembered what time of day it was.
George: Awww.ah..I specifically remember… it was ten minutes to one on Monday the sixteenth
Greta: …so in the middle of the afternoon…early afternoon….
George: It was shortly after the lunchtime there I was watchin’ a favourite show I like to watch on TV a
news (NEWS program GEORGE????)….
Greta: ….before you go to work…
George it’s…a food channel thing I watch…so… (Cindy must have jammed her finger in his thigh at that point! oops…)
George adds: “…typical thing that they’ve….that she’s done.”
George was not quite well enough practiced– NEWS or FOOD channel– Food channel or NEWS…
and if that’s a normal innocent slip of the memory, what about ‘typical thing that they’ve done being corrected to ‘SHE’S done.”
Typical thing that they’ve done would be fine– they’ve done this as per normal, everyday occurances… why did George change it to ‘SHE’?
Freudian Oops??
Chris has a pool at his house?
she puts the ladder up at her pool, tries to make it look like a drowning/accident? Suprise, Suprise
75 Blink
Thank you for your explanation, but, with respect, it is not clear from your post that you are offering an opinion.
This is what you wrote:
“According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th.”
I am pointing out to you that the exerpt does not say any such thing. You included a screen shot of the exerpt, so that has to be the one you are referring to.
As for the 1-4 minute intervals, that’s because for the times on those dates listing “residence,” she is hitting one of the three towers in range of the Anthony house. When the time indicates “movement,” it’s because Casey has travelled out of the range of one of those towers.
Moore is only able to do that when Casey is using the phone and moving to different areas. If she has a two-hour gap on her cell activity, and the before and after pings are hitting the same tower, he can’t tell if she stayed in the same place during that period or if she left the area and came back but didn’t use her phone during that two-hour gap.
Maura, I clearly stated that I am intrepeting data, in an opinion based post, as anyone must unless they posess different information. I feel that data states what I said and I stand by it. You state:
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As for the 1-4 minute intervals, that’s because for the times on those dates listing “residence,” she is hitting one of the three towers in range of the Anthony house. When the time indicates “movement,” it’s because Casey has travelled out of the range of one of those towers.
********************************************************************************I I disagree that indicates traveling outside of one of the towers, your contradicting your own data-
It is the equivalent of saying you can travel 3 miles in a minute. Not logical.
Lastly, all data aside, I DO NOT believe George was telling the truth on this account, never did. There are many things that do not make sense or jive about his account that you dont even address. In fairness, perhaps your holding the ping data on it’s own merit. Again, that’s fair, but you know, I could be right.
However, I am wrong often and ok with it. What if you were tasked with proving that theory?
Lastly, my compliments on your knowledge base and your commitment to it, I respect the H**** out of that.
Fondly,
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JMO but I think this June 16 timeline points to shaking, drowning, hitting, choking, etc. (in the pool to cool off after the fight?) sometime in the hours of late June 15/very early am June 16, after the big fight when tempers were high. June 16 after activity starts 8ish, the adrenalin is gone, we’re just busy, busy talking to one and all–got the babe in the playhouse then get rid of the swim stuff (no one would even know we had been in the pool) and all is hunkydory for a little alone time with loverboy.
I don’t think George ever saw anyone on June 16, I think he was talking out of both sides of his mouth and got caught big time. JMHO.
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You can post the issue here, I will keep it private
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When you wrote a note to my comment and said,
“I stand by my assertion George did not see Caylee and Casey at the home, as he stated on 6/16.”
Do you mean you do not believe George saw them in the house at any time that day or do you mean you believe George saw them in the house that day but that they were still in the house when he left for work?
Sorry for the ambiguity, that is an excellent question. Personally, I do not believe George saw Casey and Caylee on 6/16 whatsoever. You know I have never heard one person ask George if he got a Father’s Day card from anyone.. just a thought.
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The cell phone pings support the theory that Casey and Caylee were in the A residence night of the 15 into the daytime hours of the 16th. They support Casey being in the area that afternoon. The computer forensics support Casey being at home on the computer also.
Now taking that knowledge add to it the fact that George originaly gives LE the same description of what Caylee was wearing when she and Casey left that day as Casey gave..down to the sunglasses.
Now add to that George would not have known they were leaving and he would never ever see Caylee again. He did not look at them the way one looks at a loved one knowing they will not see them for months..wanting to hold this imagine in his mind. He didn’t do it because according to George and Cindy there was no fight at the A house Sunday night.
Now think back..someone that you see everyday usually..which for George would be Caylee….can you remember down to the sunglasses what they had on 31 days ago? I can’t remember what I wore 31 days ago let alone, my husband, my son, my two grandchildren.
So how could anyone believe George could give such a detailed description of their clothing, Casey and Caylee..remember he doesn’t know when they leave he isn’t going to see them again. But when the question is phrased to him what was Caylee wearing the last time you saw her…it’s the last time you saw her bit, that makes him feel he needs to give a response..that is how we know he is lying. He didn’t know it would be the last time and therefore would not have been paying attention to what they wore. Also he lied about the backpack..he told LE and FBI it was white..the backpack found in the car was a dark color Dora backpack….and Cindy said it was the one from the trunk and the one George saw with them (trying to back up George). George then says the backpack in the trunk is the same one Caylee had that he saw with her…oops..it wasn’t the one he described. I could go on because then he later adds breakfast making and assorted other things to embellish the day. But none of them add up to what was truth.
Just think of geo as (kermit) to cindy’s (miss piggy) and I think you’ll get the picture. Geo says what he is told. He wasn’t home and didn’t see caylee on 6/15 or on 6/15. “Desk duty george” INDEED YES.
He didn’t see caylee on 6/16 either.
Ok afer all this back and forth WHEN did Casey kill Caylee?
I always thought she killed her after a confrontation with
Cindy maybe very late at night of June 15th early morning of 16th
and George didnt see them at all on 16th. But thats not supported by her use of the computer on the morning of the 16th. So no “heat of the moment” killing of Caylee. That leaves cold-blooded calculated killing of caylee – but when the heck between all those phone calls on the 16th did she have time to kill Caylee????
In the video of the interview with Cindy and George that Greta does, right when Greta says “Let’s talk about the time line” (3:00 mark) George mumbles something under his breath. Sounds almost like “Well, so much for the…” and I can’t make it out. Can anyone hear it better then me? If so, what does he say? That just got my attention.
Thanks all.
You know – - – if you asked my husband, brother, father or any male in my family what their daughter/granddaughter were wearing the LAST time they saw them – a MONTH later – human male nature – they would want to answer with SOMETHING. This is MOO – so for what its worth – the male ego would want to be helpful, and be seen as proactive and protective. This doesn’t mean he’s lying – its just that saying “I don’t know” would seem weak and uncaring.
I keep going back and forth on this. On one hand I have a huge amount of respect for those willing to make a judgement and have a strong opinion based upon interpreting facts intermingled with experience. But on the other hand just the FACTS matter. This is one of the biggest differences between me as a mother and my youngest son. He is a FACT person. Just the FACTS mam. Hates to read fiction. But he is a methodical thinker and a brilliant student. Me – I’m more intuitive and I inject or project my emotions, opinions and experience into a situation.
Neither one is wrong or right. These types of cases wouldn’t be NEARLY as fascinating if there was not a dichotomy. Blink you have hit a really nice balance between the two. I love this sight and wow I realize what a rookie I am at this when I read here.
What an utterly empassioned observation and I am grateful to be around the personalities that make up this site. I am about 70% you, and 30% your son. That can vacillate on the caseload or specific subject matter.
There is nothing I enjoy more professionally than learning and the feeling of being “schooled”. It sharpens my axle. (whatever, inject your own metaphor if you no like,,,)
The blend of the two patterned thought processes, make up the sum of it’s parts.
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You need to file that report you referenced. I M M E D I A T E L Y. That is my best and only advice. Do it RIGHT NOW.
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The very FIRST LIE that George told (to the “authorities”) about Caylee was a SINGLE WORD.
How can a person tell a LIE in just one word?
Take a look:
Dispatch: how long has she been missing for?
Cindy: I have not seen her since the 7th of June. (**dont get me started on this one**)
Dispatch: what is her date of birth?
Cindy: um. 8. 8-9, 2000. Oh god she’s 3. She’s 2005. George, Caylee’s missing.
George: what?
I dont even know what to say.. anyone?
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so is George a conspirator? Did Casey do this alone? omg please someone tell me in simpler terms!
A, post the case number here, and I will advise.
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Father’s Day card for George. Cindy had made some comment about George wanting nothing done about Father’s Day. So she went off to Mt. Dora to visit her father that afternoon, with Caylee coming along.
Casey was out. Don’t know where George was, unless working that evening. Blink’s comment about the card reminded me of something I’ve thought of before, and that is, at a good nursing home, where staff might treat residents as family often, and where there may actually be family who also care, a celebration of Father’s Day can be a big deal, with staff making decorations, or putting cards up on the wall, somthing to brighten the place for all of the father’s who live there. The video of Caylee at the table, showed nothing special around at all. Not even showing a card, or mylar Father’s Day balloon from greatgrandbaby-Caylee– something she could have taken home with her I’m sure. Why not make it special when health can fail quickly with another stroke. Something for the baby to celebrate and remember.
But, I digress– there’s not anything showing on the video, no drawing by Caylee to give either, for honouring the day for Mr. Plesea. That would please Shirley too, but there was nothing there to be recorded on the video.
I wonder if LE has asked the staff if they had decorations or cards or anything that might be noted to date the particular video as ‘Father’s Day’.
Oh what the hey, I’m gonna go ahead and post this ? Did geo even live there at the time? I have had my doubts. I don’t think and by my observation he seems to have not had a clue about what was going on. And his jh visit with casey. I I got the impression he had not seen casey before or after the 16th. How else was lee and cindy able to keep geo in the dark. Also lp stated that during the time tracy was in the home geo kept to himself. JMT
You bring up an uber valid point.
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