Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: 3D Virtual Juror Exclusive- Tour for Yourself
Orlando, FL– While the countdown begins for upcoming motions in both the criminal and civil cases against notorious tot mom Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter, Caylee, a blinkoncrime.com exclusive:
An Interactive Tour of the crime scene off Suburban Drive, the autopsy area and digital DNA lab, and the Anthony home where most believe is where 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony sadly met her end.
Built by a colleague at my request, Angela Talamasca and her team have recreated an interactive simulation that undoubtedly will be used by both the State’s Attorneys and Jose Baez Defense Team.
It is designed to provide a virtual experience allowing the final “triers of fact” to literally transport themselves within the evidence and theories they will be presented to consider when determining the fate of the accused, Casey Anthony. This proof of concept ”build” includes contribution and consult from leaders in the fields of: Forensics, CSI, Crime Scene Reconstruction and Medical Examiners Investigations.
Currently, we have closed the simulation “island” to the public while it continues development to reflect known evidence and elements of the case.
We got a glimpse of the 3D “view” released in the discovery of 
a flyover of the area where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found. In the second life version (think Wii sims for adults) site called Digital DNA, users will be able to “virtually” tour the scenes by walking through them and simultaneously interacting with the features that will hilight the components and evidence of the case.
Take the Museum tour, interactive crime scene case review, test out your own theories “real time” or disprove someone else’s; it’s here.
(editors note: out of respect for Caylee’s age, we have used a larger than scale anthropologic presentation)
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Hmm….
Scientists: DNA Evidence Can Be Fabricated
New York Times Reports Successful DNA Fabrication May Undermine Gold Standard of Proof in Criminal Cases
(CBS) Scientists in Israel have successfully fabricated blood and saliva samples containing DNA, potentially undercutting what has been considered key evidence in the conviction or exoneration in crime cases, the New York Times reported.
According to the newspaper, the scientists also demonstrated that if they had access to a DNA profile in a database, they could construct a sample of DNA to match that profile without obtaining any tissue from that person.
“Any biology undergraduate could perform this,” said Dr. Dan Frumkin, lead author of the paper, which is published online in the journal Genetics.
The paper asserts that while DNA analysis has become a centerpiece of law enforcement, the possibility that such evidence can be faked has not been considered.
“This is potentially huge news in the world of criminal justice, which hasn’t yet even fully had the time to embrace DNA for all of its uses,” said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen. “And I suspect it won’t be long before defense attorneys are using this study to undercut DNA analysis and conclusions in cases all over the country.”
“This is potentially terrible news for prosecutors and police and the military and all sorts of industries that use DNA testing to confirm or find information,” Cohen adds. “As the paper’s author says, ‘You can now just engineer a crime scene.’ Good news for crime dramas on television but not so much to the criminal justice system.”
“It’ll be interesting to see how the legal world reacts to it and whether this study will be embraced or scorned by DNA experts here in the States,” Cohen said. “But you can be sure that before too long DNA evidence in criminal cases all over will be challenged based upon these findings.”
Brilliant observation. Will be a factor, bet on it.
B
Sorry, didn’t mean to post the whole article—just a few paras and this link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/17/tech/main5248133.shtml
hahahaha Todd. You are voicing exactly what we’re all thinking. Its frustrating to think that we’re all more concerned and heartbroken than she is. I’m not laughing at you – its sweet how you care.
boo, then we have the illusive ‘umbilical cord’. IF that is the child’s biological unbilical, vs a harness umbilical leash, then this would be conclusive– but Baez had it, kept it, investigated it supposedly, if it was the actual umbilical. And who knows if Cindy didn’t pull a ‘ hair brush’ deal with it– maybe she was tucking it off to the defense lawyer, to be kept on behalf of the accused, who also ‘owns’ it. Maybe the umbilical belonged to someone else– but unless Casey had another child by an unknown father that died or was adopted, that wouldn’t be practical. If Casey or her mother, kept the birth umbilical cord, perhaps they also kept cord blood, and that could be used to access DNA.
‘If you want media buzz, hire Baez’
#105: Good one, Kleat!
#104 kleat. Did casey find Baez in the bottom of her “crackerjack box”? Is he serios? WTH?
Well if those paternity test results are presented as positive to caylee how is the cord blood going to help them? IT WON’T.It will expose the obstruction and the cover up, THAT’s ALL,
I FOUND THIS AT THE FORUM:
THOUGHT YOU MAY FIND IT INTERESTING!
The posts about rereading the autopsy reports got me thinking about my feeling after reading them myself when they were first released: The cause of death was probably gruesomely simple.
If you read between the lines, in both the autopsy reports and trunk air sample analysis report released some time ago, a few things are emphasized over and over:
(1) the duct tape specifically covering the nose and the mouth (the openings through which one breathes)
(2) an anaerobic (ie, oxygen-deprived) decompositional event taking place in the trunk
(3) a hair mat forming on the base of the skull
These 3 key pieces of evidence are emphasized for a reason, I think. They point to a cause of death that perhaps went like this:
Casey purposely duct-taped Caylee’s nostrils and mouth (to stop her from breathing) while Caylee was in a state in which she could not fight back (either asleep or chloroformed), stashed Caylee somewhere no one would find her (trunk?), and let her struggle there, alive, until she died (hence, the hair mat forming specifically on the BASE OF CAYLEE’s SKULL, a sign to me that she was shaking her head from side to side, perhaps rubbing the back of it against a surface in vain attempts to free her head from the duct tape).
I think Caylee, in essence, was “buried alive,” in that she was slowly suffocated to death by having duct tape thoroughly covering her mouth and nose — simple as that. But because the skeleton lacked any soft tissue whatsoever, there is no way for Dr. G. to detect any signs of suffocation, so she has to state the cause of death as unknown, and the manner of death as homicide.
Oh boy – so the third tower is Lee’s place after all, and not the car at Amscot…I stand corrected with my bad guess. In other words, there will be much more info to follow and more towers will be added as they come into play, correct? Seems I was putting the proverbial horse before the cart then….so this was similar to the “opening act” with the “major cast” and then adding alllllllll the players and evidence to the picture as the story moves along. That makes perfect sense to me now, especially recalling the Anthony family’s names at the beginning. NOW I get it, sorry for the senior moment my friends! Didn’t I say a long time ago that this case was better than any book…..and now better than any movie as well!! WOW! More impressed than ever – this new DNA analysis that (according to Blink) will be a factor is very disturbing news though. Blink, may I say that you are incredibly humble, always giving credit to everyone but yourself, and where would any of us be without you in the first place, huh? So please take a pat on the back once in a while, you DO deserve it!
What cord blood? What did I miss?
#109: Interesting, but didn’t the autopsy report state the duct tape was added post mortem?
I’m on the record as of now to say that although I believe everone has the right to a vigorous and legitimate defense, so far I have seen neither out of this defense team. From what I have observed so far, the Anthony’s have done more to secure casey’s conviction than to hinder it. At this point, whatever the outcome, caylee has been gravely dishonored by this as well as murdered.I am at a loss today seeing the animated visual view of the crime scene. The Baez/Anthony strategy sux. Talk about a STAIN on caylee’s legacy. I’m OUTRAGED! I am going to need anger management classes when this is all over.
I posted here under my child’s nickname boo. I wanted my 5 year old to help give caylee a voice. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE! I am thiinking of waking her up just so I can hug her. Good night everyone.
# 109 Loca … I agree with this poster’s comments on the “hair mat” … it screams struggle IMO. Caylee had to struggle for the hair to be matted to the extent it was mentioned in the autopsy reports. This jumped out at me the day it was released… being a former hair stylist and lots of hair mats. They don’t just appear. RIP little one.
I thought we already established that the 3rd island is the DNA lab, not Lee’s house or Amscot. Am I missing something? Must be the heat.
Hi all, the third platform is Lee’s place. However, that I am aware, it is not a crime scene. With this in mind, I am open to suggestions (i.e., amscot? ping map?) for the 3rd platform from those of you who surely know this case better than I. Your feedback is definitely welcomed!
The forensic lab is well above the platforms and is accessible via teleporters that are located at the various crime scenes (or via our dynamic CSI Lab HUD that visitors will be able pick up upon entering the build). Movement between all crime scenes and the lab can be accomplished via the teleporters or the HUD or flying.
Finally, for those of you who are interested in visiting the walk through (once it is open), I urge you to take a few test runs in second life (http://secondlife.com <= to register and download their software) to get a feel for navigation (think of it as a 3D browser-ish).
Those of you who know each other may wish to coordinate to meet “in-world” so you can learn together. To assist in the process, I have created a “group” called “virtual juror.” The group is invite only, so please contact Blink with your second life “nym” once you’ve signed up. And either she or I will invite you to the group.
As for second life? Think of it as a turbo-irc/voice chat client + 3d visual experience. In other words, besides being able to recreate crime scenes for visualizations, it’s a great way to collaborate and brainstorm in real time.
Yeah, what she said-
Lol, Angela gives good advice, it takes some practice and is a bit of a learning curve, but she and her team have created “tour pods” and other “cheats” for ease of use.
B
I was thinking her hair was wet from drowning in the pool and she was laid on the ground or the trunk also could have matted the angels hair?
#55
“Can anyone explain a mindset like this? I know what the prosecution can make out of it, but what can the defense say to explain such behavior?”
Blink, correct me if I am wrong but, wasn’t Baez’s stance on this “Ugly Coping” I guess he thinks the jury is going to be made up of 12 Kindergarteners
The 3rd island is the Digital DNA lab and autopsy area (see #s 36-39).
No doubt the defense will be hard at it on the DNA evidence.
I think the fact that the family accepted the remains as Caylee, held a public memorial, accepted her as dead, finally, (and all which that entailed, including the end to making public statements about Caylee “sightings” elsewhere; in fact, the end of live Caylee “sightings” from ANYONE), and the attempt to use Tim Miller/Equusearch as part of a someone-else-killed-and-placed-Caylee-there defense will be difficult to overcome.
But this research is going to provide many others with a reasonable doubt argument, for certain. The problem is going to be, they are going to have to demonstrate some sort of conspiracy to make it stick.
Here are some real problems for them:
With the remains, there were items from the Anthony household and items consistent with items from the Anthony household. Some of these items were not seized FROM the Anthony household until AFTER the remains had been located. I believe this is when George revealed his true, very angry, self. Refusing to shake one of the detective’s hands, and instead using an expletive, etc.
Remember, Casey was already charged with Murder 1 BEFORE Caylee was finally found. They were going to go forward without her body, if necessary. They didn’t need this evidence to make out the elements of the crime. She was facing LWOP before Caylee was located and identified.
The videotape of Casey learning of the discovery of Caylee’s remains has been sealed due to the fact that it could/would– in Judge Strickland’s opinion– be overwhelmingly “prejudicial” to any defense she may offer at trial. (This is not the use of the word “prejudicial” in common parlance. All evidence of her guilt can be seen as prejudicial to her. When we say this in legal terms, it has to be with the value of a piece of evidence, and whether or not it outweighs the probative value of that piece of evidence. Even though the evidence tends to prove something, it can still be excluded by the trial judge on this basis. In the past, this type of reasoning was used to exclude gruesome crime scene photos, for example. Not so much nowadays. In any event, one can read into her reaction here. I believe Strickland is concerned with preserving her Constitutional right to a fair trial.
While he is also likely to preclude the admission of the tape as evidence at trial, it is not clear whether he will also preclude testimony as to her reaction. That is out there. What is not, is the actual video. We shall see.
The other point to be made is that if this is not Caylee, WHO IS IT? Why would authorities go to the trouble of hiding the identity of someone else’s MURDERED baby girl?? It fails the COMMON SENSE test. I don’t believe a jury will buy it.
This is not the OJ case. There was a reason that jury was unwilling to accept the DNA, etc evidence in that case, and it had absolutely everything to do with history, and not that case. I can recall sitting at the bar in a crowded restaurant in center city Philadelphia among a large, mainly Caucasian crowd, when the verdict was revealed. Utter SILENCE. When I left this establishment to head back to the office, a different scene entirely on the streets. There were mainly African Americans literally screaming in joy, as if one of our professional sports teams has won the ultimate title– Superbowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, what have you. That verdict was about justice to and for a lot of American citizens, just not about the case itself. A large portion of the credit that was handed to OJ’s defense team was misplaced (although, I have to say that Barry Scheck did a superb job on the DNA, and has since spent a good portion of his time helping to free people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes since.) In any event, Casey is not similarly situated.
BTW- DNA is not infallible. I believe one of the major networks recently aired a piece about this. A mother was not a DNA match to her child. A mother who GAVE BIRTH to the child. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Fairchild
** I have to say I am saddened by posts here where people seem so ready and wanting to dispose of ALL of our Constitutional rights. Just because it is taking time for this case to go to trial, or just because one finds Baez et al irritating,etc… please consider what you are wishing for. Our Constitution, and the rights we are secured in because of it, is what distinguishes America from much of the rest of the world, where people have no rights, and the State controls all (and many, many innocent people disappear or are officially put to death, for acts they did not commit). I am no fan of Baez, but that doesn’t mean I give up my belief in our shared rights. I hope that anger over this particular case does not serve to blind us to our great fortune as recipients and beneficiaries of our stellar U.S. Constitution.**
well said
B
Angela #117-
My vote would be for a ping map.
Not enough to examine at Amscot, other than its location, as we only have a parking space, next to a dumpster there. While the distance between the Anthony home and the Amscot, regular routes of travel by Cindy and George–who personally used this Amscot– would be of interest, perhaps that would be covered somehow by the ping map?
What you have created is fascinating.
Only prior exposure to Second Life was on the laptop of a guy who used to ride the Septa regional rail train to center city for work alongside me every day. His use of it entailed things I won’t reveal here, but no judgment about that. This is truly phenomenal technology.
Angela- I promise I did not set this up..
Lol, silvr, that was my vote to Angela, coupled with the analysis on here reflecting Casey could not have been more than 164 feet from the Anthony home on 6/16.
B
109 loca
That’s an interesting observation, but I think the writer went too far in reading between the lines. The crime scene and autopsy reports appear to be repetitive because multiple CSI’s and ME’s were writing separate reports about the same thing, and given that the remains were completely skeletonized, they were limited in what they could report on.
“(1) the duct tape specifically covering the nose and the mouth (the openings through which one breathes)”
The ME’s were very clinical in noting that the pieces of duct tape covered the lower front of Caylee’s face, but none of them claimed to know what the original, exact placement of the tape had been on the soft tissues of Caylee’s face. Both Dr. Garavaglia and Dr. Schultz pointedly noted that the mandible was not in its correct anatomical position but had moved slightly back from where it would have been when Caylee was alive.
None of them claimed the tape had been placed on the Caylee’s face before or after death, nor would the condition of the remains allow them to know when the tape had been placed on Caylee.
“(2) an anaerobic (ie, oxygen-deprived) decompositional event taking place in the trunk”
That just means the body was not exposed to the air when it decomposed. If Casey immediately wrapped Caylee’s dead body in plastic, then the decomposition of that body would have been anaerobic no matter where the plastic-wrapped body had been placed (trunk, sandbox, woods, etc.). This finding does not, in my opinion, support a theory that Caylee died by suffocation, let alone suffocation in the trunk of a car.
“(3) a hair mat forming on the base of the skull”
That just means the body was in a supine (face up) as opposed to prone (face down) position as it decomposed. Again, that in itself says nothing about where the decomposition took place.
***
The air sample, carpet stain, and hair with postmortem banding found in the trunk of the Pontiac certainly support the theory that Caylee’s decomposing body was in the trunk, but none of those findings support the theory that Caylee died in the trunk.
silversnr # 120
Bravo on all your points.
On the tape, in addition to Casey’s reaction, there was purportedly footage of Baez & Anthony together:
This is speculative, based on media reports, and so not fact, but here goes: Supposedly when meeting with Casey that day, Jose Baez was reportedly in tears, while Casey was not and appeared angry. If true, did Baez originally buy that Caylee was only missing ? Did he always know that she was dead, but that now the ship was sunk? Would the contrast of the differing emotional reactions truly drive home the coldness of Casey Anthony; a lawyer crying, but a mother not? We will never see this portion, nor will the jurors, but it does make one pause to contemplate that event.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/3/11/casey_refuses_plea_deal_returns_to_court_thursday.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/18906812/detail.html
I don’t understand the DNA argument upthread. Caylee’s nuclear DNA was profiled for Jesse Grund’s 2005 paternity test, and that is all the FBI needed in order to match the nuclear DNA extracted from the piece of tibia sent to Quantico.
Shortly after Linda Kenney Baden came aboard, there was talk about having Caylee’s DNA checked for genetic conditions that could cause sudden death. That information could not be determined from the type of DNA profiling used for the paternity test in 2005 and bone identification in 2008.
The kind of testing that would allow scientists to determine disease origin or susceptibility is called genome sequencing and would require a tissue sample. IMO, that was probably why Baez had the umbilical cord. Even though Linda Kenney Baden did not file paperwork to join Casey’s team until the morning of December 12, I think it’s obvious that Baez had been consulting her for forensics advice prior to the discovery of the remains on December 11.
Maura # 122
I also believe that the ‘hair matting” could have occurred post mortem with the liquefaction and breakdown of the body seeping into the hair. Sometimes with homicide victims that have been shot, the hair becomes matted simply from the victim’s blood flowing into it.
Ok, I should have read the whole day’s statements instead of going to sign up at SecondLife. It would not let me have any name I chose, so I am Blinker Pedalo. I hear wind blowing and people are chasing me around and talking to me! Helpppppppppp
The island should definitely be not only the ping’s but the computers also. Adding a bit of humor on a morbid mindset right now, we will probably sink that island with all of the information. Casey sure used the phone and the computer alot.
Blinker Pedalo signing out.
117 Angela Talamasca
Thank you so much for your hard work on this project.
My choice for the third platform is the trunk of the Pontiac because that is the location of the decomposition evidence (air sample, hair with postmortem banding, fluid stain). It would tie in nicely with your virtual DNA/forensics lab.
There’s nothing terribly interesting about the Amscot location other than its being the location where the car sat from June 27 to June 30. And since Casey didn’t have GPS on her phone or in her car, a ping map (if done well) would be complicated by hypothetical possibilities and for that reason, could easily end up being more confusing than illuminating.
#60 Kleat
I believe you are exactly right. I think defense strategy may concern inconclusive (reasonable doubt) DNA identification. And we saw a little bit of that with M. Bart’s public radio program a while back testing public opinion citing concerns about questionable DNA testing procedures perused in Caylee’s autopsy report. I also think cremation was a defense strategy in lieu of this upcoming clash with the prosecution – as well as Casey’s public statement placing responsibility for said decision (cremation) on her parents. And we may be able to extend this conjecture a bit further to help explain away (somewhat) Casey’s detached demeanor. After all, why expect the emotions of a grieving mother if the mother believes the baby has yet to be found (alive?).
With all that she was given–all the books and toys and clothing–, Caylee had no chance.
No one was going to report her situation to child protective services. By all outside accounts and appearances, nothing was wrong.
And yet– She was in grave danger.
Her situation was sadly as dangerous as that of children I have seen/represented who have suffered insane beatings at the hands of their mothers and fathers.
Behind the closed doors of the house on Hopespring, Caylee’s own grandparents suspected (knew) that Casey was lying about having a job/a nanny… and knew that Caylee was perhaps left unattended–at the least. And they permitted it.
Was it just easier to go along with the lies and not have to come up with an alternative plan to ensure that there was proper care for Caylee while they were both at work?
This went on for far too long for anyone to say they didn’t have ample opportunity to at least attempt to address it. (They knew she was lying about working at Sports Authority, for crying out loud. They knew she didn’t have a HS Diploma. How could they have possibly believed she a position with Universal as an event planner? A simple call to Universal would have been easy to make.)
Likewise: Casey’s pathological lying, criminal activity (repeatedly commiting fraud/theft) and anger management issues(rage) were obvious.
And yet, this they also permitted to go unchecked, until it was too late.
They not only went along with the absurd notion that the smell of human decomp in Casey’s car was unattached to Caylee’s “disappearance”, they dishonored Caylee in death so, by continuing to perpetuate the myth that she was still alive.
For what? To protect Casey from the consequences of her own actions; to keep the money rolling in; to perpetuate the myth of a normal, functional, American family; to be in control of people/things; to enjoy the spotlight and all that it brought their way.
We can debate with one another why Casey left the Pontiac at Amscot. What we cannot debate is that she complained about the ever-increasing bad smell to Amy in text messages on the 25th, 26th, and then stated she got “rid of” the smell on the 27th (the day the car was left at Amscot).
We can debate with one another why Cindy told 911–in a moment of sheer panic– that the car smelled like there was a “dead body” in it, and then later claimed the smell merely came from a pizza box, and then later claimed that perhaps someone placed a dead body in the car, and then removed it, while it was on the lot at Johnson’s. What we cannot debate is that others –who have knowledge and experience with the scent of human decomposition–also identified the smell of a dead human body when they neared the vehicle; that dogs who are trained to detect the unique scent of human decomp alerted on the trunk of the car.
We can debate about why Cindy washed those pants. What we cannot debate is that she did not mention the pants–and what she had done with them– to LE…until August.
LISTEN UP:
Casey’s defense team can argue that a) Caylee’s body was dumped by someone else, and not Casey, and/or b)the remains are not those of Caylee, and/or c)that there was a “rush to judgment” by LE on that first night. (they will use Yuri Melich’s own account for this purpose. He notes that he told Casey her statement/story was suspect/suspicious before they even knew that the Sawgrass Apartment she claimed belonged to the “nanny” had been vacant for months, for example).
AND THEY WILL.
What else do you expect them to do? They are not there to say to the jury that Casey is guilty and should be punished. That is the job of the State.
Rather than just get angry about it and hate them:
Use your intellect, not your emotion, to assess their claims.
Use your intelligence and your common sense to address and refute what they say.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the process, and how you feel about our rights.
How you feel about our system– well… for certain, it is not perfect. Far, far from it. But let’s place blame on the failures of our system where it is due, and not upon on our shared rights, which are truly blessings to us all.
94 wpgmouse
To answer your earlier question, the three towers that Casey hits when she’s inside the Anthony house at 4937 Hopespring Drive are all within 2.5 miles (as the crow flies) of Lee’s old house on Eagle Feather Drive, so his house is served by the same towers.
Blink #121-
LOL! I think we know each other from some OTHER life! And by that I do not mean SECOND LIFE! (Holy Cow, Shelly/J.G./Blinker Pedalo! Enjoy yourself;)
I don’t see how guilt can be an excuse for Cindy to basically ignore and condone Casey’s murderous actions by lying and contributing in the cover-up. I was always brought up to believe that two wrongs do not make a right.
# 129
Again, I agree silverspnr.
However, if I were on the jury (which I can not be: many will be happy, I know), without all of he evidence in yet, or hearing arguments from either side, I am still open to the prospect that Caylee’s death could have been an accident, and that it was subsequently covered up. Or that it was a crime of passion in a moment of rage. In either case, she would still receive a prison sentence as some of the other included charges on the indictment are: Aggravated child Abuse, and/or Aggravated Manslaughter of A Child. Then there are 3 counts of Providing False Information to A Law Enforcement Officer, (which to me seem like a no-brainer).
As much as I am convinced that she is tied to the death, I remain open-minded to the particulars. We just don’t know everything the state or the defense knows.
I go over and over all of this….the lies, telling her mother she was in Jacksonville and the baby was here and there having “fun” whenever asked by anyone, misleading the police — fake addresses and phone numbers, ficticious names — partying, “Beautiful Life” tattoo, never telling anyone the baby was “missing”, evidence of a decomposing body in the car. The DNA in the trunk, the autopsy report, the duct tape over the baby’s mouth with a heart sticker. The 911 calls, the initial testimony by George and Lee Anthony about the smell in the car. Lee stating that Cindy’s first reaction to Casey was “What have YOU DONE?!” and so on, and so on.
I couldn’t possibly see how ANYONE on ANY jury could have any doubt at all that Casey did this.
Yet, Casey’s lawyers are so confident in stating “She is innocent”, and “wait until the whole story comes out”, etc. So, I have to keep thinking — what the heck can they have up their sleeve? There is just no way.
Well, while researching this case, I stumbled upon the site forensicastrology.blogspot.com. I don’t know how this is supposed to work, and honestly, don’t know if I really believe in it at all; however, the readings this woman does are actually pretty interesting. So, I have read some of them.
The reading she does on this case is actually quite interesting, and for the most part, seems pretty accurate. Although, she does think that Casey burned something, and initially was thinking it was the baby’s body she burned. But, she talks about Casey driving around with the baby in the trunk, looking for a good spot to “dispose” of her. She mentions Casey stopping at Blanchard park a few times, thinking about putting Caylee there.
She believes the baby, at one time is buried under the playhouse. She sees Casey in the woods, etc.
The problem is…..she sees a man with Casey, and is adamant about this. She talks about the MAN with Casey drugging Caylee, struggling with her in the back seat of the car, etc. And the baby dies as a result of this. Casey and “this MAN” are there together in the woods. But, HE is the one who actually causes Caylee’s death.
So, I started thinking…..Is it possible? There were SO MANY men in Casey’s life, I’m sure there were some that we don’t even know about. I think about that “scam artist” guy. Could he have been there?
…..What if THIS is what the defense has planned? What if they say there was a MAN with Casey, who actually drugged/killed the baby.
I know they have been trying to point the finger at Jesse, and I do not believe that Jesse had anything to do with this at all. So, it leads me to believe that they don’t have some “man” to place blame on. But, who knows?
If they can say that there was some “Man” with Casey — some drug guy or pimp or whatever, someone she was “afraid” of, etc., and they can name this man — then, Casey would be found guilty of a lesser charge. It COULD create reasonable doubt. He caused the baby’s death, but she was SO afraid of him, and didn’t know what to do, and she had to get rid of the baby somehow and make up a story, etc., etc.
Do you think this defense might be a possibility??
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20461664/detail.html
Re: AL
I too think the 3rd crime scene should be the car. I would like to see how the items were scattered about on the front seat and the back seats and floorboards. I would like some perspective on how big the trunk is and where exactly the stain was and how big it was relative to the trunk liner. Also the other items found in the trunk. It seems to me that the potential crime scenes are the house (specifically Casey’s bedroom, the backyard/pool/playhouse) the car and the location of the body – and of course the lab.
As the case moves into trial and/or more discovery is released that can all be added to Second Life. I cannot wait to move around inside these areas. I’ve taken part in some of this technology at work when I hired someone to create a 3d virtual walk-thru of our new headquarters, warehouse, dispatch and customer service call center. We burned it on cd’s and use it for marketing and sales. My sales people love it. I’m kind of a visual person and can’t wait to see it all in perspective.
Thanks Angela & Blink!
… and to the highly ‘public’ first statement by Casey Anthony, the accused did NOT want cremation and rejected her mother’s plan to do this. We took this at face value of Casey’s wants for a place to visit her daughter (she can do that with a cremation burial too)– but what defense value– someone cremated the body so you can never now prove to 100% that the murdered child was even Caylee. And who knows where that ‘known sample’ came from, whose hands it passed through– could Cindy have pulled the ULTIMATE shell game??
Seems Tony Lazzaro isn’t in Casey’s best boyfriend books any longer– newly faxed and amended motion for subpoena duces tecum. They want ALL of Tony’s cell and communications records from June 2008 through January 2009.
And they used that new ‘motion’ to make public, the fact that cadaver dogs searched Tony’s jeep. Are they going to attempt to discredit this cadaver dog search for reasonable doubt that Tony minimally had something to do with Caylee’s body transport? Casey had ample opportunity to place a rag in there, from her trunk.
Blink – do we let you know what our Second Life nym is here on the comment section? I’ve created mine and am waiting for the confirmation email.
Or are you going to wait until the virtual juror is completed?
I need to check with Ms. Talamasca, lol
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Blink,
Certainly do not want to offend you, but is there a way or a need to donate to you for the unbelievable services you offer to victims, families and LE? I do not know how things like this work, but I do know that TE and others accept donations. I for one would be very interested in doing so. What you and your associates provide is as humanitarian a need as many charities.
“prejudicial”
can someone explain this in a term in a way I can understand, shouldn’t any and all evidence be allowed? I am no legal eagel if it is evidence shouldn’t it come into play, ok, I understand not releasing it to the general public before trial but what about in court during trial?
mjh…that was interesting but quite a stretch IMO… I think we all go mad trying to fugure this mess out I think it is so much more simplar…but who knows the “Amazing Baez” could and will try anything he might even try the Alien Abduction theory….
sorry when I speak about him I get angry and obnoxious!
oh spelling sorry…..
but you get my drift 
#129, silverspnr — fabulous post. I’ve been angry with G&C since day 31 precisely for the reasons you listed. They KNEW WHAT THEIR DAUGHTER WAS CAPABLE OF. They KNEW … but they rolled the dice anyway, and Caylee lost the bet. Caylee lost her life, but all we’ve heard from the still-living Anthonys for over a year is how THEY are feeling. It’s appalling. Despicable. This family should be on a poster as an example of how to NEVER, EVER live your life. Arrrghhh!
With regard to the rights of the defendant — what bothers me is the *anything goes* aspect of defense cases. I’m no expert on the subject, so I’m curious. Have defense cases NEVER been about a search for the truth, or is this a relatively recent development in our courtrooms? I was under the impression finding justice involved a search for the truth. Rather, it seems to be a game to be played, in which the best or most clever actor wins, and *winning* is the goal — not finding truth or justice for the victim. I find it hard to believe what happens in courtrooms these days was the initial intent of our system of justice?
Hey Blink, how would I contact you with my “nym” to get the invite?
Thanks!
Jan, yes, doesn’t this protection of Casey to the extreme of never allowing her to face consequences for her actions by calling in child protection services, by pressing charges– they were protecting her in the event of the ultimate charge as it happens, planned or not, that is what the end result is. Casey now faces a most serious charge, Caylee paid the ultimate price, and Casey has no criminal record. That protection of Casey, in the end, paved the way for what followed and benefits Casey tremendously since the parents did not ever allow law enforcement to become involved– but for George’s original story that in the 31 days, he said to LE, ‘this has gone on long enough’ (paraphrasing– he took the step obviously without advice from Cindy beforehand and reversed his story afterwards).
They knew if Casey did something really bad in the future, it would go against her to have any investigations of her actions by authorities. Therefore, don’t call child services, don’t call in the law– just like Cindy didn’t want to do after smelling the car.
Casey’s wonderful ‘mothering’ behaviour– where did she learn that?? From Cindy– she didn’t drink, she didn’t smoke, she didn’t smoke pot, she didn’t do drugs, she was always the one looking after everyone else, even at parties, she was designated driver. She learned how to ‘act’ the part– finally, no more acting the part of the wonderful mother, she could break away, carry on a facade of the wonderful mother with a job and a nanny, Cindy was on the line, hook, and finally sinker. Casey led her double, triple, life, controlling all information, controlling what people saw of her, knew of her, believed of her. She was the ‘mom’ of the crowd– for a reason, she learned how to act from Cindy as a loving mother, safety first, cleaning, cooking, being the center of things. An act.
BAEZ trying to discredit something or someone? I think he should worry about his own credibility and reputation. I still cannot, in my wildest imagination, understand how he can still be claiming Casey’s “innocence”, when he has the proof and evidence, probably even more so than the rest of us have seen, and yet he still claims innocence. So I guess Baez is the omniscent one, who’s word becomes gospel, in accordance to his innane claim that all the science in this case that has proved Casey’s guilt as, “junk science”. Hey Baez, quit trying to build your ridiculous legacy and making a name for yourself, and snap back into reality, won’t ya?
#137 kleat. Right. Baez is going for TL now “big suprise”. Do you think it’s because of what Lee “spilled” in his sa depo? And also what Lee said to TL in the redacted bits of the wiretapped conversation? Hmmmmm
#127 maura i agree the trunk should be there but maybe not a whole island(the cell pings need a whole island, maybe the whole car can be transported to the forensics lab or is already stored there.
Blink
I opened an account over there at Digital DNA. Is that where you will have the interactive? Should I have done that? I’m seeing people awaiting an email confirmation, so I now believe I did something wrong..??