Caylee/Casey Case: Dominic Casey Takes Stand in Zenaida Gonzalez Case
Orlando, FL– Dominic Casey, private investigator for Casey Anthony and George and Cindy Anthony, took the stand today in the civil case against Casey for Zenaida Gonzalez.
Uhoh. Motion Denied without prejudice to compel Dominick Casey to testify in the civil case against Casey Anthony.
However, we have some discrepancies from Mr. Casey. In his interview on January 7, 2009 with Orange County Sheriff’s Office, Dominic Casey states he has contracts with George, Cindy, Jose Baez and Casey Anthony.
These are the dates given:
Jose Baez– July 29, 2008, terminated by Dominic on October 1, 2008.
Casey Anthony– September 12, 2008
The Anthony’ s– “sometime before the contract and after Jose Baez.” Once Baez blocked contact with Casey after October 12.
For reasons unknown, on the stand today, he gave these dates:
Jose Baez– July 27, 2008 to present.
Casey Anthony– “sometime in early September”
George and Cindy Anthony’s– July 27th, but agreement in October.
HEH?
The discrepancies beg the question.. Is it a coincidence that the agreement with Jose Baez is dated the same day as the opening of the first trust account at Sun Trust Bank, and the agreement with Casey directly is dated the day it was closed by the bank on September 12?
Judge Rodriguez also intimated he will be making a decision on whether to delay the trial until after the murder trial much sooner than expected.
Prediction: The Civil Case will be put on the back burner.
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Dear Loca I put in my two cents
Are there any psychologists amongst Blink’s readers?
When I watch the 48 Hours trailer with Cindy, she is constantly covering and uncovering her mouth with her hand. For some reason this disturbs me and I’m wondering if there is some psychological implication in this body language.
loca, I think this is only the beginning of the Casey Anthony media tour and promotions co. First is to get as much of what they want out, how they want it out (including prempting or pulling a George at NeJame’s office type stunt to divert attention to themselves and their agenda, when they want it out.
If ever there has been a trial in the media, this will be closer to actually influencing the jury than the media coverage of the case itself which may influence public opinion against Casey and her family BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS regarding the missing baby. They have the power to do this but the state can not do a thing but sit back and be quiet and listen to it.
I have to wonder what Ms. Lyon’s role actually is in this case, we know what she is there for, but is she able to do HER job or is she really not paying so much attention, as in the ‘spolioation’ definition that she must know, is not the correct term at all in criminal proceedings. She must not have read it before signing, or is this ‘team’ not working as a ‘team’?
‘spoliation’ sorry… write that on the board a hundred times to spell it right… but it’s not a word that should be part of this ‘criminal case’ case anyway. I still think it’s a ‘Todd Mac word’… he likes certain words, as we have seen in his role in the last hearing, like ‘specious’.
One might say that the whole defense motion argument, is ‘specious’ but didn’t see the state use that term to describe the defense ‘spoliation’ of evidence. But it fits… ‘misleading in appearance or superficially plausible but actually wrong’.
#717
having started out of college as a research & manufacturing chemist, and considering the materials “at hand” and the nature of the psychopath (not dissociative d/o, but that’s the subject of a post of mine ages ago) that is Casey’s, the presence of hydrocarbons at the site of the stain in the trunk liner is most concerning since, as the report from the FBI said, humans Caylee’s age at death don’t have similar levels of hydrocarbons as adults, so her body decomp was not the source of the hydrocarbons.
Given the smell and Casey’s propensity for stealing gas filled cans from her father (the main reason a control freak like George and a budget-hawk like Cindy secured the shed with a keyed lock & didn’t allow Casey access to the key (gas being $5/gal at the time)) and the fact that she’d run out of gas two to three times when she’d dumped the car (to be stolen but wasn’t) at Amscot plus the absolutely horrid, eye-burning putrid STENCH of decomposing human body gave her incentive to accidentally or on purpose attempt to mask the stench unsuccessfully using gasoline…it’s also very possible that, in lieu of pouring it prior to dumping the car at Amscot, that George, Cindy, or Lee took the liberty of pouring gasoline in the trunk on that area in an attempt to mask the odor.
As for the chloroform, it wasn’t in very high concentration from what I recall of the FBI report. It’s almost like a red herring except for the fact that there’s no reasonable explanation for it to be present/detectable. So what source would account for the chloroform?
If it’s lab grade, she’d have to have access to Fisher Scientific! only kidding! We know she isn’t a scientist, wasn’t dating one, and probably didn’t have routine access to scientific lab supplies.
Chloroform might be a product of certain chemical decomposition reactions but again, she wasn’t a chemist and those homemade websites didn’t go into chloroform as a decomposition product. As people on this site, and the websites that Casey visited, suggested, chloroform can be produced by mixing THE UNIVERSAL SOLVENT, Acetone (which anyone can purchase in a relatively purified form at any retail beauty supply store, in large quantities), and pool chlorine. Producing chloroform this way could be achieved in relatively small quantities and is easier done than baking a cake.
The thing is, and it’s a big thing, CHLOROFORM WILL KNOCK YOU OUT IN FAIRLY SMALL QUANTITIES. Attempting to mask body decomp stains in the car trunk would knock you out in the process because of the volatility of the compound, unless you had adequate ventilation (meaning fans going full speed pushing it away from you, similar to a chemical ventilation hood in a lab). You’d have to wear a special mask if you were to have prolonged contact with it. And for all your efforts, sadly the chloroform wouldn’t mask the body decomp odor at the low levels detected in the trunk.
If Caylee had been swimming and some of the chlorinated water from the pool soaked the trunk liner and her body fluids saturated the liner AND Casey took some of the Universal Solvent Acetone and poured it, thinking it’d she could then mop it up…well, that’s the most likely scenario that might produce chloroform in a small quantity……but Casey would have to know about Acetone’s magical properties as a universal solvent.
When I went to the crime scene cleaning websites, they mentioned industrial cleaners containing enzymes as being the most effective body decomp cleaners.
So for me, the jury’s still out on the likely source of the chloroform. I’m pretty convinced that one or all of them poured gasoline at one point or another in the trunk to mask that odor — woe to them b/c not only does it NOT work, but you suffer greatly and must drive with all windows open – closing windows wouldn’t be an option.
I’ve read somewhere that G & C and possibly read here….hopefully this gets to Cindy…it’s obivious that Cindy & Casey didn’t get along, the fighting, mistrust, lying, stealing..etc…etc. It’s possible Casey killed Caylee (Your beautiful grandaughter) in a fit of rage against Cindy or just for spite and wanted to live the life childfree. Casey knew G & C thought she was an unfit/neglignent mother…My question is, why does Cindy continue to support her daughter who obiviously has/had severe adamosity towards her mother? Casey took your granddaughter away from you and George….throw her a$$ under the bus! Make her pay for what she’s done.
Poor Caylee…maybe one day your grandparents will see the light and come to their senses. Thought maybe George would have by now, but he’s disappointing me as well.
Keep up the good work Blink’rs. Justice will prevail.
where was casey the night of June 15th was she truly at home all night?
798 TNT
i think so
How could the defense team (with their experts) have looked at the crime scene? The remains were found on December 11, and the work started immediately. Were they supposed to leave everything there in the woods and wait for Baez’ experts to arrive from all over the country?
I saw an interesting comment on another blog — something I hadn’t thought of. When Cindy told LE and anyone else who would listen that Casey & Caylee were in the bedroom on the morning of June 16. Even though she didn’t actually see them, she knew they were there because the door was closed. Shouldn’t the next comment have been “and Casey’s car was in the driveway”? As far as I can remember, she never mentioned seeing the car that day, did she?
I agree and in George’s statement, he was tentative about her car being in the driveway that evening.
B
I can’t wait to see them on 48 Hours, if for no other reason than to get a glimpse into their current strategy.
Kleat, I think you are one sharp cookie!!! I hadn’t thought of it till you said so but maybe all that psycho-behaviour and the freak-show freak-outs with the signs and the hammer really was a performance to support the “media circus” when it came to town. If that was consciously done, it should not come as a surprise I guess, as it was George and Cindy that spawned the monster and it becomes clearer and clearer to see where Casey inherited her psychopathology.
OK, So I’ve been doing a lot more research here and on toher sites and I’ve come to the conclusion that the defense is going to throw George or Cindy under the bus. so, let me put my thoughts out there and see your responses.
1. The only way they can say Casey isn’t guilty, and they haven’t produced any evidence to the contrary is that KC could not turn her mother in because she feels partially to blame for not being more “present” in Caylees’ life. That Cindy was under such pressure from Georges’ infidelity and losing that large sum of money. George had also been acting irrationally and Cindy and KC were getting more and more combative (ie. the fights the neighbors heard).
2. To help cool everyone down, KC felt it was best to stay away from the house as much as possible for awhile because of the fights escalating to the physical abuse. Since she never knew from day to day where she would be sleeping, she thought it best to leave Caylee with her mother.
3. Oh Help…KC came home for clothes one day and in another raging fight (and remember we’ve never seen much rage from KC, for all accounts most of her friends say she was a good and patient mother, we have seen Cindy raging with bats and hammers etc.) her mother strikes Caylee in a fight with KC. It knocks Caylee unconcious, but mom revives her and she seems alright. KC flees the home in fear. Cindy puts Caylee down for a nap and she never wakes up. Cindy feels this is all KC’s fault and needs to buy time. She puts Caylee in the playhouse to hide her from George and perhaps uses Chloroform as an agent to embalm the body (Cindy’s a nurse, she would have access, and there are old European references to this) Cindy tells George that Caylee’s with KC and writes the “My Caylee is Missing” to make it look like KC took her away. “But at least KC is finally being more responsible George thank God for that, maybe she’s maturing at last”
3. Cindy then places Caylee in KC’s trunk in KC’s next visit home for more clothes, to place the burden of Caylee’s death on KC where Cindy feels it belongs. KC is driving around w/o a care cause she doesn’t know that her daughter is dead and in her trunk, ergo the “wow, my car stinks, I must have had a squirrel die in the fan” story KC was tauting to everyone. Then in horror, in trying to find the source of the smell that just won’t go away, she discovers Caylee in her trunk,(cue DA DA DAAAAA music here please) and knows just what her mother has done. She tries to confront Cindy or George (The flurry of phone calls the 16th and in the process realizes, she is in deep doo doo and will probably be blamed for the death, so she dumps Caylee in the woods, thats where she puts her pets, and later dumps the car in AMscot cause that pesky smell won’t go away. But can’t face her father yet.
4. She spends several days considering her options (the nightmares and sweats)at TL’s home (sex helps clear her head) and finally confronts her mother, they then plan the story, (input bull here), the problem is instead of the car being stolen and the “Zanny” story, its towed and George gets the tow letter before Cindy can cover it up. Now they must go into overdrive, thats why Cindy went to work, she didn’t want George to make a big deal over the smell, and then when she thought he would be at work she comes back, washes everything she can, removes any evidence and frantically searches for KC because the story now has to change. i.e. why Cindy really does sound “frantic” in her 911 calls…they f’d up the plan. which once again is due to KC’s incompetence in getting rid of the car.
5. This is why George said he wouldn’t “live the lies”, he’d rather save his daughter, he wasn’t that fond of Cindy, and why he “fake” attempted suicide (does anyone really think he was going to do it). He knew his pathetic failure to lead the family caused Caylees’ death, and he couldn’t loose his entire family over this one tragic mistake. Who knows maybe KC really does feel that Cindy would kill her if she rats Cindy out, she loved Caylee and look what happened, she could barely stand KC.
It might be enough to have 1 juror have reasonable doubt.
6. Now, we must arrest Cindy and have her trial, but at that trial KC says she did it, her mother took the blame at her trial b/c she felt so guilty for having done such a poor job raising KC, she owed her a 2nd chance, if she hadn’t pushed KC to have Caylee and then made her be a more present parent, KC wouldn’t have gone over the edge and killed Caylee to punish her mother….double jeopardy attaches, they all on book tours and speaking engagements.
Sorry so long, but I think it works.;-)
I put together a short list of the businesses (and their contact information) that sponsor CBS’s 48-Hour Mystery Show. I always like to get in touch with the sponsors to discuss boycotting issues, which I’ve done. Blink, do you mind if I post the short list here? Totally OK if you rather I wouldn’t.
I dont mind if folks as individuals wish to express their feelings on the issue directly, as long as they approach it as individuals, and not representative of me or blinkoncrime.com, fair?
B
Since it’s difficult to believe much of what any of the Anthonys have said during the past year, but especially Casey, I am wondering if indeed Cindy was the one who insisted Casey keep Caylee and not give her up for adoption.
I am thinking drama queen, Casey, might have insisted on keeping the baby thinking that as a cute young mom with a pretty baby might just garner her a different kind of attention from friends, give her a variety of fantasy stories to tell men, and perhaps enable her to convince some young naive dude into sweeping her lovingly out of the Hopespring Manse into a luxo life of endlessly texting and internetting. (Hellooo, Jesse!)
If Casey threw fits to keep the baby, I can see Cindy being highly demanding after the birth about Casey ending her Orlando playgirl lifestyle and stepping up to the plate to become the Cindy-stamped-approved Mom of the Year. If the Anthonys truly didn’t realize she was pregnant at 7 months (not really believable, I’ll admit) then they couldn’t force her to have an abortion. If they did know she was pregnant and just lied about it to relatives, why no pre-natal attention for Princess Mums-to-Be?
Let’s not even delve into the mysterious progenitor of Baby Caylee and his wanting to be, or not wanting to be (pays money, takes choice) a part of Caylee’s life. If these grifters had known there was support–money–possible from either the daddy or his folks, or even the government, Cindy would have stormed that bastille to get some money. Casey just could not pin it on any one guy. So many choices! She’d have to send out invites to a DNA party. (Homemade chili by Cindy.)
I don’t think I can stand for another two or three years of this unholy family due to their money grubbing, lies and media barnstorming complete with complaints, motions and foot-dragging by both the defense and the judicial. Is the defense hoping that everybody will be so sick and tired of this case after months ans months of this wrangling that when the case finally comes to trial, most people, including those in the jury pool, will say “Casey who?”.
Sometimes one gets so depressed … time for a docudump! lol.
Blink mentioned similarities in the cases of two little girls with rhyming names. Wasn’t Tracy McLaughlin told by Casey, the word ‘roxies’? Apparently White Boy Greg used the same word in his interview (http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/) with an explanation that it’s oxycontin. (??- I assume from the interview)
And the recent photos posted of Haleigh, the fourth of the slideshow (sorry, can’t rmr a source, prob. WESH on the latest main story link) shows Haleigh laughing and jumping in her little ‘Dora the Explorer’ swimsuit.
Haleigh Marie and Caylee Marie. Both trusted young women with their well-being, both at non-children parties with drugs, both have a parent who believes each young woman ‘is holding something back’.
Blink
BREAKING NEWS HERE IN ORLAND (wkmg) IS REPORTING AT 11:00 NEWS
EVIDENCE IN CASEY ANTHONY CASE DESTROYED
this will make you both d and sad!!
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/casey-cindy-and-georgelies-part-1-2-of-4/
UPDATE EXPLOSIVE NEWS
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-fbi-caylee-evidence-lost-092409,0,6099488.story
Report: FBI destroyed evidence in Casey Anthony case
Sentinel Staff Report
11:18 PM EDT, September 24, 2009
WKMG-Channel 6 is reporting that the an FBI laboratory may have destroyed evidence while testing the duct tape authorities found wrapped around Caylee Marie Anthony’s skull.
The FBI had reported that someone intentionally placed a heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape. But the remnants of the sticker were damaged when the tape was tested for fingerprints and other evidence, records show.
Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged in the little girl’s death.
UPDATE EXPLOSIVE NEWS
JUST POSTED
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-fbi-caylee-evidence-lost-092409,0,6099488.story
Report: FBI destroyed evidence in Casey Anthony case
Sentinel Staff Report
11:18 PM EDT, September 24, 2009
WKMG-Channel 6 is reporting that the an FBI laboratory may have destroyed evidence while testing the duct tape authorities found wrapped around Caylee Marie Anthony’s skull.
The FBI had reported that someone intentionally placed a heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape. But the remnants of the sticker were damaged when the tape was tested for fingerprints and other evidence, records show.
Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged in the little girl’s death.
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/casey-cindy-and-georgelies-part-1-2-of-4/
…..In the first video at this link, George is talking with LE and he talks about the J. Blanchard abduction of Caylee, around the 2:20 mark. First he says that Jesse held Casey down, then he goes to say that Zenaida did it. Now look at the date of the LE interview video….it is 7/31/08. Casey’s first and long time standing story was that she left Caylee with Zanny at Sawgrass apartments, she wrote it in her first statement. She was arrested the next day and put in jail.
The first we heard about the J Blanchard Park abduction was from LP, and I thought that Casey had changed her story and told LP or Tracy this. Well, that just can’t be true, because here is George telling the JBP story in July, while Casey is still in jail. We have not seen a jail visitation video with Casey, George and Cindy that shows this being talked about….we have not heard a jailhouse phone call audio tape that tells this story either.
A lot of people thought that LP had made up this story, but again, that can’t be the case because LP wasn’t even in the picture at this time. Something is very fishy here, to me at least. Either these videos and jail phone calls have never been released….or this story was concocted at the Anthony home before LE showed up to begin with. I’m thinking the latter….a little kitchen table talk between Casey, Cindy and Lee, to come up with an abduction story and George was later told this story and repeated it during this interview. I have always thought in the back of my mind that the Anthonys knew what happened to Caylee, at the hands of the spiteful biotch, and since duct tape was used to kill her, they came up with the abduction story. But even if I’m wrong, there is something very wrong about this. These are my thoughts and opinions only.
Here’s a question before I go into any of that ‘evidence destruction’ media. What happened to that single ‘hair with deathband on it’ found in the trunk of Casey’s car?
Didn’t the FBI also ‘destroy’ that?
Heck, the WHOLE CRIME SCENE was taken down, mm by mm, section by section, never to be available again. A body in autopsy is taken apart, parts of it destroyed in testing processes, so to never be recreated again as at the crime scene, although in the future, there’s always the chance of exhumation if questions arise from new information. Oops… Cindy needed to cremate the remains for her own reasons, but that is also destroyed along with any evidence.
So, what is legitimate destruction, and what is destruction of evidence? Time to re-read the state’s argument, because I believe they cover most, if not all of this, in their arguments.
The FBI must have protocols for documenting everything before destructive analysis. Wonder who clued the media where to look– no coincidence that this report appears on the heels of the state’s response.
And why choose the example of the ‘heart shaped sticker’ and ‘residue’– because that is inflamatory. The fight escalates…
loca, didn’t George say that he had not ever heard the version of Blanchard Park in his Morgan and Morgan deposition? Think so….
You can bet that George was questioned about Blanchard Park version by the state in his depo this summer.
How is it possible that George could speak about Blanchard Park and it’s story related to the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony in July 2008 (or Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec 2008, or Jan-Feb-March through morning of April 9th, 2009)??
How??– George either lied, or he forgot, or had amnesia.
Quote from Morgan and Morgan Deposition of George Anthony in April 9, 2009
(starting Page 57 from transcript http://www.forthepeople.com/GAnthony-Depo.pdf)
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20 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Time is 11:24 a.m. We’re
21 back on record.
22 BY MR. MITNIK:
23 Q What do you know about your daughter changing
24 the story of Zenaida Gonzalez being dropped off at
25 Sawgrass to being kidnapped at Blanchard Park?
(Page 58)
1 A I have no knowledge about that.
2 Q None?
3 A None.
4 Q Did you ever talk to your daughter about it?
5 A No, I have not.
6 Q Have you heard that there’s a different story?
7 A I’ve heard a lot of stories, sir.
8 Q Have you heard that that particular one
9 changed from she voluntarily dropped her — your
10 granddaughter off with Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass and
11 then changed the story to Zenaida Gonzalez took her from
12 her, kidnapped her from her at Blanchard Park? Have you
13 heard of that change in your daughter’s story?
14 A Have not.
15 Q So that’s news you’re hearing for the first
16 time here today?
17 A Yeah, yes.
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If we lined up all the BS being slung, how many trips to Greenland and back? Sheesh.
B
Question,
so if the FBI lab did in fact destroy/damaged the sticky from the sticker, doesn’t that only mean that they possibly cannot bring the sticky into play, still the duct is noted and photo graphed and waiting in an evidence bag to be brought out, is this really any huge issue or will this be a new Beaz’s podium for yet another attempt at getting the case dismissed????? How does this benefit the Defense?
thanks!
#811 bees, lol, i don’t think the ants’ behavior was done deliberately to fuel the media circus. i try to imagine what it was like to be in their place—-beloved grandchild gone, only daughter in jail, and annoying protesters (and news people) haunting them 24/7, even at home, trespassing, not giving them a moment’s peace, and saying terrible things about them and casey. i’m surprised she didn’t bean someone with that hammer.
loca, see 451, 460 and 471 and above for other j blanchard thoughts
That’s a pretty big whoops on the heart-shaped sticker residue.
Hi everyone. Thanks so much for such a fantastic site! I am in a leafy cheshire village in England and this place keeps me more than up to date but educated and enthralled. Obviously it’s my first time posting (tremble) but a thought came to me. I read somewhere that perhaps Baez has leaked this story to the media about the residue from the heart sticker being destroyed by the FBI during testing.If he has isn’t it odd it came hot on the heels of the revelation from Luca that Cindy Anthony was being paid at some point by the media!!
Swerving tactics just like sending George to the Mark Nejame press call? Also surely it is accepted to a point that some damage is done due to any testing process..or am I wrong?
BAM.. I completely agree with you. This is way more crunch time than I think most realize. The moving forward on the economics charges trial has put insurmountable pressure on this cereal box defense. IMO, George and Cindy completely believe they will get out of this without testifying, and since they were deceptive in some of their answers in the civil case, I don’t blame them. Anybody see those original contracts signed by Tony Padilla? Yep, thought not. 1-800- My Lemon.
B
#805-Oneshot
Is it possible that because Caylee lived in such a warm climate, the drinking water was likely to be more heavily chlorinated? I’ve noticed in Summer months, while showering, that I can actually smell the chlorine in the water at times.
Also, because of the heat, and her access to a pool, might she have routinely swam ( chlorinated water )? Who knows what levels the Anthonys used in the pool considering that they were “neat-freaks” and probably “germaphobes”, as well.
From what I’ve read recently, there are elevated levels of exposure to chloroform associated with these activities. Some of the pharmacokinetic models show that increased exposure results in uptake of chloroform to the liver and kidneys. (The studies were designed to examine toxicity levels) Levels were demonstrated to be higher with mice vs. humans, in organs, but there were no sub-studies done on toddlers. I would imagine that, based on their smaller size, and their ability to metabolize and excrete toxins, they would fall closer to the adult human model, but also somewhere in between mice and adult humans models.
Could the slightly elevated level of chloroform in the trunk be attributed to both external chloroform from the skin (external exposure from swimming in the pool that night and/or bathing in chlorinated bath water after), as well as the breakdown or decomp of organs like the kidneys and liver that have been demonstrated in pharmacokinetic studies to have an uptake of chloroform?
Of course, we are still left wondering about the computer searches, but I am sure that some of my own searches could be deemed suspect (out of context). The searches might have simply been coincidental?
# 813-Blink
What really bothers me more than what the Anthonys are doing with the interviews, is that the networks are not being honest. Where is the journalistic integrity? What about ethics? I’ve said this before, there are plenty of videos and photos out there of both Caylee and Casey that were released to the public in general. They are not copyrighted to the Anthonys. They should fall under “fair-use”. The news organizations, if they were to act completely above board, could use these images to tell the story, thus they would have no reason to acquire or pay the Anthonys for any images what-so-ever. If there were no photos , I could see them looking to pay for licensing, but that is not the case here. They are clearly paying the Anthonys for their story, and lying about it. They should be told that we know that we are being gamed by them.
# 819-
Clearly not good news for the state. Why was this evidence not photographed? Maybe the judge will not allow it in. The prosecution knew from day one, at ground zero, that the defense wanted its experts in on the studies. If nothing else, in my opinion, the FBI should have videotaped the process of analysis, so that the defense would have access to it after the fact and also to prove that all studies were done according to protocol and beyond reproach, especially if they knew that the items might be destroyed in testing process.
#802-sosad – Everyone has a physical behavior that surfaces when they become stressed. These stress indicators can be nailbiting, hair twirling, covering your mouth, looking downward or avoiding eye contact and a host of others…..
blink…I’m a little dissappointed, I guess you didn’t like my defense strategy theory very much:-( I do feel that is the reason Baez is keeping KC away from the family. Its not at all about media and the release of a video from the visit. It is to estrange them from one another, and to further the “position” that KC was so afraid of her mother. They have to pin it on another family member, there is no way they can produce evidence of a “Nanny” outside the family. And I wouldn’t be surprised at all that Cindy would be willing to take the “blame” to get Casey aquitted, thinking they could pull a reversal if Cindy went to trial. These people think they can tell whatever bull story they want and we’ll buy it hook, line and sinker.
Nope we agree. It is just not going to work and I believe Casey would have been much better off telling the truth.
B
Pamela, I am not 100% sure the defense has to try to pin the blame on anyone in particular—they just need to show that it cannot be proven that Casey was the only who could have done it, much less the one who did it. (They will try to create reasonable doubt—- “This young woman’s life is on the line; you may be sending her to her death. Are you SURE she is the one, when clearly others had the motive or opportunity?”) So they will try to get some evidence thrown out (buh-bye heart shaped sticker), they will use experts who will tell the jury that the evidence that makes it into the trial doesn’t show what the state says it shows, and they will hope that the state screws up in some way so they can get a mistrial. Should be really interesting!
I don’t know why some media outlets and some other individuals are presenting this sticker destruction as the sole piece of evidence that would have put Casey away. Wouldn’t LE have photographed and documented such a thing? Baez has no rebuttle for the 31 days, the decomp in the trunk, the partying photos while Caylee is missing, Tracy’s statement of how Crasey acted while out on bond, Leonard Padilla’s testimony,(that Baez fought so hard to keep out), and on, and on, and on. Blink, why are these reporters focusing on this one piece of evidence like it’s an “all or nothing”?
Slow news in the case. This is not a bombshell, happens all the time. I personally think it is a mistake to hilight this because imo, it will give stronger creedence to her prints on the duct tape; which I believe to be there.
B
I was wondering if anyone knew whether Casey’s car was in fact out of gas when she abandoned it at Amscot. Did Casey abandon the car because it was out of gas or because of the smell?
Also, if Casey’s prints were on that ducttape, I would think the sticker was an exclamation mark
westsidehudson, you won’t find too many real journalists these days (nor ethics, nor a desire to necessarily present the truth). There’s no market for that. TV is a business. News is a commodity. Sensationalism sells. Ratings rule. And I guarantee you the Ants are ratings gold. That’s why they can command some nice coin for their appearances.
Gawd, I know I will be despised for saying this, but I have to tell you, the promo looks so exciting, I think they are worth every dime they get. (Don’t worry, the lawyers will take their money from them.)
loca 820 and Kleat 821
I really respect both these posts.
Blink — methinks this leak about the sticker residue had to have come from the defense. What do you think? Also, my next question was going to be if you still thought there were fingerprints on the tape. Thank you for your reassurance about this — I pray that it is there and maybe that this will be released in this next doc dump. Could it be that the defense leaked the sticker info to try to counteract the damage from the fingerprint info about to come out? Perhaps speculation and wishful thinking on my part, but wouldn’t it be loverly???
I believe that is the case, yes.
B
Suz
Hopefully, the program will be balanced, and not present as a one-sided propaganda piece. As far as what I have said before, I just feel that the news orgs should come clean and admit that they had to pay the Anthonys for their participation,or that they used payment as an inducement for their cooperation, instead of saying they are ethical and don’t pay for interviews. It’s hogwash that they needed new images. Just tell it like it is.
In any event, the circumstances put a taint on the Anthonys for accepting the money in the first place. It’s one thing to go out in public to defend your kin, but it comes across as something more sinister when you rake in mega dollars via a dead grandchild’s photos.
On your other point, I’m not offended by anyone’s interest or curiosity in reviewing the program.
#802 sosad, I don’t know about adults, but little kids often cover their mouths when they are lying, like they don’t want you to see the lie coming out. It’s very cute (in children, lol). Not sure why Cindy was doing it in that clip.
Im glad this subject has “come round”.. again. From the jailvisit 8/14, I have always thought for Cindy, that hand over mouth gesture is grief.
B
ada, as far as I know, the car was really out of gas. George needed to put gas in it before getting it to start at the tow yard, and the manager there observed that the gas gauge was on E. LE tested the gas gauge and it worked properly.
Reports (media) say the FBI did not take a photo of the residue image or outline but who is to say that the FBI couldn’t have chosen another method of documenting the residue and its perceived pattern before obscuring the ‘image’, other than on by ordinary photography? Who is to say that this information has not still been withheld? Maybe destruction of the sticker shape was not a concern for some reason, or a trade off for obtaining much more critical information from that section of tape.
suz and Blink, Cindy was asked by Scot Bolin to describe how Casey viewed herself and as much as Cindy would talk about Casey, she would use the opportunity to talk about herself. When Bolin asked Cindy what attribute of her physical appearance Casey liked most, Cindy included Casey’s ‘smile’ and talked about this in relation to her own smile which she said she was self-conscious about.
But, maybe she is emphasizing the gesture for her camera close-ups to give her ‘weaker’ side vs her ‘Geraldo-if-you-are-my-friend-ACT-LIKE-IT’ side.
Suz….VERY INTERESTING
http://books.google.com/books?id=lgE7At4AdD0C&pg=PA378&lpg=PA378&dq=body+langauage+analysis+hand+over+mouth&source=bl&ots=zAr-RoTkh0&sig=3RrRJv2MXe2_R_kKfqc10qg1nQc&hl=en&ei=0uC8Ss2fBeCntgfp-pGLAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Financial investigation and forensic accounting
By George A. Manning PG 378
Kinesic Interviewing
As stated above, this technique observes body movements. Some body language signs can indicate lying. These include:
1. Crossing legs
2. Hand over mouth
3. Shifting in chair
4. Crossing arms
5. Shaking head
6. Biting lips
7. Leaning forward
8. Steepled hands
9. Avoiding eye contact
And to the heart sticker tape residue– how could this possibly be exculpatory evidence for the defense that has been destroyed for whatever reason? If the sticker had someone else’s fingerprint on it, that would be useful for the defense and they could take the correlation of the residue shape to that sticker found in the field, as exculpatory evidence.
But what if there is a latent print placed on the duct tape AND on the heart shaped sticker, and the shape of the latent print on the duct tape surface creates the heart shape by excluding the duct tape in the shape of that heart??
That is very possible isn’t it? Think about sticking that sticker down– pressing it down so it STICKS, either forcefully, or directly and carefully, either way, finger tips would be the very best way to do that and to be sure all of the sticker surface was attached. All those prints would create a pattern around the sticker shape. No need to photograph any hardly visible ‘adhesive residue’ which may not photograph well, but dust for the prints which placed it– that could be very revealing.
In addition to the sticker residue leak, in the past few days we’ve heard revelations by Lee’s attorney of info from Cindy’s and Lee’s state depo. Seems to me he wouldn’t be verbalizing this info unless it was about to become public knowledge through the docs. Perhaps the State’s depositions of Lee, Cindy and George are also about to be released? Would the State release these or hold the information for trial? If it’s being released, then I believe we’re starting to see greatly increased pressure on the defense to plead and bring this whole nightmare to a conclusion, imo.
I believe this leak came from the defense to take away the spotlight on the money for Cindy issue.
Would Dr. G, when she did the autopsy not have taken a picture of this. She is such thorough specialist in her field.