Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Friction Ridges Duct Tape and Suds
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Discovery Review Part II
Orlando, FL– In Part I, we reviewed the Latent Lift Myth.
Adding to the quagmire of why Linda Kenney Baden maintains there are no prints on the duct tape, one reviews Ms. Baden’s amended motion for discovery.
Ms. Baden requests the specific 18 latent lifts and subsequent file information from the FBI reports in “this matter”. However, those tests were performed from items removed from the Anthony home by Orange County Sheriffs Office, not the FBI, thus the “THERE ARE NO LATENT LIFTS IN THIS CASE”.
How does the defense attorney entrusted to interpret the forensic evidence in a death penalty case not know with what agency that information is held? It was released months ago.
Within the discovery, their is an email indicating a few areas of the tape were swabbed in the final testing process (CU) with methanol. This is performed on the non-adhesive side of the tape. Does it make sense if your sole intent was to extract DNA from this tape that you would be reduced to swabbing only the side of the tape NOT affixed to Caylee’s face?
It only makes sense if your goal is to preserve the integrity of what appears on the adhesive side, and exclude the possibility of DNA on areas that will not compromise the sample in that regard.
Fibers Differ
Although the FBI has concluded that the adhesive on the duct tape from the crime scene, on Caylee’s skull, and the Anthony home are CHEMICALLY THE SAME, Brad Conway releases the portion of the report that states that microscopically the tape fabric composition of the samples are dissimilar.
Now, admittedly I had the where- with- all to choose the smartest girl in my IPS class to be my lab partner while everybody else joked around and blew each others bunsons out. However, my guess is if you were to match conditions to the tape from the crime scene to that on the gas can and shelf from the shed, they would magically appear “SIMILAR”.
Difference between quantitative and observed, no? If that is the defense teams idea of junk science, I might agree. This brand of duct tape has not been manufactured since 2007.
How hard do we think it is going to be for the State to locate this exact production batch? They are as close to an MSDS report away.
Weed Eaters
In the CSI notes from OCSO, initial responders, we note 4 different areas where Agent Bloise marks 4 areas; 3 are under wood chips and the 4th is under the platform of 16×16 pavers from the July yardscaping.
Buried within the FBI contact logs from the latest discovery, we learn that OCSO has at least one of those, if not all, in evidence. Where were they sent and what are the results? Could they be in the company of the much anticipated soil samples taken from the Anthony yard?
The examination and testing of soil samples from the trunk have also not been disclosed to date.
The OTHER Laundry Bag
As reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com, the original report of the laundry bag had the incorrect model. 
The rectangular laundry bag, referred to as K33 in the most recent report, was recovered at the Anthony home on a top shelf in the East side of the garage.
In the latest FBI report, K33 appears under the “additional items from the vehicle” category. Not in the items from the residence and is examined with the items found with the Dora backpack or diaperbag as it is sometimes referred to.
What does that mean? Category oversight, OR, did OCSO find out that laundry bag was removed from Casey’s car?
To be Continued:
Part III The Disappearing Lingering Stain
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Teri. i wonder the same thing. Others see mountains of evidence, but I just see dribs and drabs. She was totally lucky that the cops did not search the most likely dumping ground very thoroughly early—cuz even though the the body was probably fully skeletonized by time cindy called 911, it sure would have been more intact, and the tape and other evidence less weathered and worn away. Who knows, maybe the heart shaped sticker would have been on the tape.
A question about George’s intentions with the gun………. Do you think he wanted to kill Casey out of hatred for what he thought had happened to his granddaughter or for another reason?
I think he wanted the truth out of her, and that probably would have resulted in both of their deaths, imo.
B
Did Casey buy a laundry bag to replace the one she took to wrap Caylee in? Did she purchase the wrong one (unknown to her)? Did she not get a chance to replace it when the car ran out of gas – Cindy found it still in packaging in the car and hid it?
Wait, when do people think casey bought one or more laundry bags? before or after June 16?
Blink~ Re:52 So……. do you think he got the full truth?
He never had the opportunity. Casey was arrested on the economic charges (OCSO over George’s grass) before the mandatory waiting period on the gun.
B
So who squealed to the cops about George’s gun? (LE came and seized it from Geo’s vehicle after receiving a tip…). Our friend LP? Did he do it to protect Casey (and everyone in the house) or cuz he knew it was a violation of her bail to have a firearm around?
RE: #47 “The hypothesis is this: When the car was brought back from the tow yard, Casey had a laundry bag in her car. SOMEONE took that hamper out of the car, placed it in a tash bag (presumably to hide it) and put it on the shelf in the garage. SOMEONE must have realized that it have evidentiary value or why hide it?”
SOMEONE = Lee??
Blink this was an interesting read.
It has some information on imprints and body
impressions as physical evidence.
http://science.marshall.edu/murraye/2008%20Forensics%20Lectures/Introduction%20to%20Forensic%20Science%20Lecture%204%20Physical%20Evidence.ppt
It’s a power point presentation.
Probably more useful for article III though
This is a good read for all, thanks gngr.
B
Kleat and others—that rectangular Whitney Design laundry container found in the Ant’s garage in a black plastic bag with red handles on an upper shelf on the garage north wall above the “laundry machine” (lol, i think that is just so cute)—why do folks think it is new? Is it described like that somewhere in discovery, or do we think folks saw that it was in a plastic bag and assumed it was new in a package?
Hello Everyone. I was directed towards this site by a link on the CayleeDaily site and have not posted anything until now. Just been reading. I just want to compliment you on these 2 articles. They are AMAZING….very well written and clear up a LOT of confusion about many things. I remember reading in the documents when they were released that George Cindy and Lee had been ELIMINATED as a source for the prints and getting very excited about that news…who else IS there but Casey?
Nothing was ever mentioned about it and I began to think maybe I was missing something. Now after reading these articles it’s all coming together. Thank you. I have followed this case since the beginning and find most blogs uninformative and full of bashing and name calling. How refreshing to read the comments here. All knowledgeable and interesting observations of the EVIDENCE.
I will save BlinkonCrime in my favorites…TERRIFIC JOB!
Can’t wait for part 3.
Welcome Linda
B
She didn’t necessarily buy the bags (if she did) on the 16th or even after Caylee’s death. Maybe she just bought the bags earlier to help hold her things while living outside the A’s home. It was mere convenience that one of them was perfect for carrying sweet Caylee into the woods. I think that is why the receipts and credit card statements are so important, and perhaps why Cindy didn’t want to turn them over.
WOW ! So many reports sooooo litle time…Holy crap, they actually think this chick is innoncent? Yeah right….What is it gonna take for these lawyers to realize, really realize its USELESS? if Casey isn’t smart enough to know she is gonna get the needle so be it! I am sure you can not make her cop a plea. After all, look who her parents are. they will NEVER allow her to do that…..There own lawyer is trying to screw up the case with his nonsense. Anyway, the freezer theory is intresting. From watching CSI from the beginning, is it not a fact that once a body is frozen (3 days from info read here)….does the decomp process speed up as the body defrosts? Doesn’t the skin start to sorta liquify? If Caykee was frozen first then tossed in the HOT FLORDIA heat, decomp would have been excelerated bigtime. Maybe mouth Cindy knows more then she is saying or wants to admit too. I never understood how you can drive a car that SMELLS LIKE DECOMP and just dismiss it and go to work…I as a parent,would try to find out the who, what, when,where and why such a stench is there. I have smelled a decomposing body.It is a very very
distinctive ODOR….One I will NEVER forget…My god even George knew what it was…..George knew the difference between a tiny animal decomp ordor from a human decomp odor….
TO me, these grandparents did Caylee no favor. Both of these knuckleheads knew what Casey was…..Casey never wanted to have a baby, Cindy needs to understand that she forced her too have it. All the signs of what Casey was (personality wise) was there. She pretended to go to work…they never realized she had NO JOB? Not only did Casey fail Caylee, these two morons failed Caylee just as much… I see alot of Casey in Cindy as far as her attitude goes….Apple did not fall from the tree…..Saddest reality, it was a swet child Caylee who was the victim in their insanity…I do not see Casey copping a plea….Too much of a head case to see a needle coming her way. Her so called parents are never gonna let her cop a plea….They to, do not see the needle in the end…..Lee seems to want NO PART of this at all. But he might be the key…BTW, where is LEE? Casey’s lawyers sem to be falling all over each other chasing good knows what, trying to disprove the truth…..even they know she did it. AT what point do or will her lawyers WALK AWAY?
So back to my point about the timing of concealing a laundry bag for some reason. Presumably, until the body is found, no one but the killer(s) knows the body is in two plastic garbage bags inside a laundry bag.
The body was found on Dec. 11, and a search warrant was issued the same day, and the house and garage et al were searched starting at like 10:20 pm to 2:30 am, during which time they seized the laundry bag in the black garbage bag up on a shelf in the garage. The Ants stayed at the Ritz Carlton from Dec. 11-14. So if they hid it, it was BEFORE having any knowledge that a laundry bag was involved in the crime.
So why would they have cause to hide it sometime between July 15 and Dec. 10? And why not throw it away if (as is newly speculated) it had been in the trunk or car and indeed had that yucky decomp smell?
terpene, a compound found in the sap of evergreen trees. Think of a Christmas tree. The smell of the pine. Brushing against a branch of a pine tree you suddenly smell (pine). So how does relate to the area where Caylee was found. Did Casey transger any sap from the one pine tree at the location on her shoes/boots, clothes etc and then when placed in the trunk the sap oozed onto the carpet during the heat? Am I close? Kleat…help.
sorry about the typos….
Did they find pine needles anywhere in the car or clothes. The pine needle is what carries the “turpene”. The Turpene is release once that pine needle has been brushed against, or smashed etc?
Blink, what do you make of Baez’s response concerning a plea deal, “That’s up to Casey”? I would think if he thought she was innocent, or that he could get a not guilty verdict, that wouldn’t have been his response”
On Mark Williams: Maybe I’m out on a limb here, but if Mark Williams got the info about George Anthony and his intentions for the purchased gun from medical professionals leaking private medical records or confidential conversations, then I am really appalled. Nothing that has been released thus far contains documentation of that incident. Whether or not George actually took pills, if he made this statement to others, then clearly he was presenting as a danger to himself and others and so the Baker act was legit. But medical records are not part of the FL Sunshine law, so I don’t think that we should be hearing this.
Unless this was info that was texted to people on that day of the suicidal ideation, why is this coming out?
On Baden: I wasn’t able to view the video, but supposedly Baden said (paraphrase) “people confess all the time”. Is there a confession from Casey to someone that has not been released in testimony yet?
On Baez/Plea: “That’s not my decision to make,” Baez told Rivera. “Any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey, and she would have to accept the plea if one were offered.”
I think that Baez has tried at least once to get Casey to plea. I believe that the first DP attorney Lenamon (sp?) wanted her to plea. Now, I would guess that Lyon said that she would pull out all the stops, but that there was no guarantee of what would happen, so it might be an intelligent option to consider a plea.
That’s why I think Casey looked so bad at the last court hearing. Remember, Lyon’s goal is to save Casey’s life, not necessarily to keep her out of prison. They are going to justify all their utterances of “innocent” based on the accidental scenario of death. If Casey will not cooperate with this, it won’t happen. Then the lawyers will have to decide whether to keep their reputations on the line by going through with the trial; stickywicket. And that is, of course, all dependent on an offer of a plea, or acceptance of the terms, by the prosecution.
That’s not where he got it West Side, and if he had, I would agree. He got it from a witness that overheard it.
B
Blink, did you catch my ‘fiberglas’ fumble? Of course the fibers are NOT fibreglas, the tape was ‘easy rip’ and the specs also say poly/cotton.
I’ve been a Red Green fan in my day, Blink– anything anyone ever wants to know about Duct Tape from a practical standpoint, one can learn from uncle Red. (it’s a leap that just because 3M, according to Red, has the largest duct tape plant in the world, that added to his show at the lodge, GWN’ers have the edge on duct tape knowlege
Teri, I agree with you too. It’s something I’ve been thinking about since the beginning. How did this not-so-smart young women commit a murder and not leave glaring evidence behind? One hair? No decomp in the trunk, except for the odor of decomp? Maybe she’s just lucky, because she certainly isn’t that smart!
Are there more documents to be released today? Have we seen the documents that Brad used to mislead us?
#12 GypsyDD…you said, “Very interesting Ms Blink. I am glad we are getting back to the dirt samples, and hopefully the maggots and flies too. And don’t forget the turpins. Now that should be some fascinating reading.”
Oh Friend, that’s what I am waiting for! My field of interest in Forensic Entomology has developed into an obsessive love affair for the little critters and if I could go back to college,(too late for that date), it would be my dream to become a “real” Gil Grissom…who in fact, character wise, was loosely based on Las Vegas criminalist Daniel Holstein. Dr. Haskell is beyond amazing to me and coauthored the first textbook on Forensic Entomology for law enforcement. Something that strikes me – In the book by Dr. Michael Baden and Marion Roach, Dead Reckoning, an entire chapter is devoted to stories of Dr. Haskell – so it’s not like Linda Kenney Baden doesn’t know what they are up against!
I thought long and hard about the deep chest freezer but after studying more about the way entomologists construct their reports, I have backed away from it. We can take a date, like June 18th from a report. Ultimately, you still have a timeframe and in order to understand that, you kind of have to understand the way entomologists report their findings. We have a very close friend who is a forensic entomologist and he explained it this way:
“Insects grow by accumulating heat in the environment. On hot days, they grow quicker. On cold days, they grow slower. Somewhere I read a reference to it being like on your utility bill, if you look at it, your utility will often break your utility bill down into heating days and cooling days. Well, entomologists do the same thing, and they accumulate heat units each and every day that this insect has been alive. So if you`re totaling numbers, you do come back to a specific day. That`s kind of an artifact of the report writing. That`s where your numbers total up. And those numbers kind of indicate an approximate age of the insects. And then what the entomologist has to do is calculate all the variables that may be present. For instance, we don`t know the exact temperatures on the remains at that crime scene. We know temperatures nearby from weather stations, radio stations and TV stations. And also, you have to understand that when these insects deposit their young, they deposit hundreds at a time. It`s not uncommon for a female fly to deposit a couple hundred eggs. And just like a litter of puppies or litter of kittens, some of these larvae will outgrow others. So you have the biological variation in there, as well. So this exact day that comes back on this report is kind of an artifact of the way insect growth is tabulated, and then it`s up to the entomologist to try to decide what is an acceptable timeframe for all of these variables.”
Now on to the terpenes and I get even more excited and here is why…
When I try and put 3 days together…June 16, June 17, and June 18…I come up with this scenario. Many, many thanks to Blink and Maura, in particular, for her astonishing work; she has helped me “see”. Sometime between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. on June 16th, I think Casey killed Caylee…no accident…she killed her with malice and forethought. She bagged her in two garbage bags and the laundry bag, after duct taping her little face and the bags. She put her in the trunk of the car and didn’t give the deed another thought until the 17th when she realized she had to get rid of the body. Her first plan was the back yard (temporary place…she planned to move her later) but after setting the laundry bag in two or three different spots while she thought about options, she returned her to the trunk. Tomorrow will be here soon enough and she just wanted to get back to Tony and the wonderful night and morning of sex, movies and being ALONE together. On June 18, she again backs her car in the garage and borrows Brian Burner’s shovel…not to bury Caylee with, which would take too much work. She used the shovel to carry the bagged body with because she didn’t want to touch it. It was beginning to smell and she had already removed her from her mind from what was in that bag and now it was just a mess…an inconvenient mess she had to hurry up and clean up and get rid of. Trying to balance the bagged package on the shovel and moving it in and out of the trunk, plus the shifting of the weight in the bag might have torn the bag and caused some leakage. She jumps in the car, with the shovel, after checking to see if Mr. Burner is watching but by now he has headed inside to take a shower since he is finished with his yard work…and she drives that oh so short distance and makes a right on Suburban. I think she backed her car in the thick brush and foliage, causing scratches on the car and resulting in organic matter (terpines – any of a class of hydrocarbons occurring widely in plants and animals and empirically regarded as built up from isoprene, a hydrocarbon consisting of five carbon atoms attached to eight hydrogen atoms (C5H8). The term is often extended to the terpenoids, which are oxygenated derivatives of these hydrocarbons)…being rubbed on the car and perhaps falling into the trunk while it was open. She used the shovel to lift her “trash” (our treasure) and dispose of it right there at the base of that tree with the hollowed out trunk, using the shovel to pack it down and cover it with some branches and leaves. She put the shovel back in the car, drove home, backed in the garage and took the shovel into the back yard to clean it…she could have dipped it in the pool but I believe she also spayed it with the hose and then wiped it off, clean as a whistle and returned it to the Burner residence. She may have thought she would come back and move it sometime soon (thus needing another shovel, but “OH WELL!”) that day didn’t come because there was just too much freedom (finally) to put it off and “out-of-sight, out-of-mind”. There was music and partying and drinking and life was going to be beautiful now with Tony or whomever else she decided would be the next “perfect guy for however long she chose”. That scenario is so cold and sad but so very simple.
These thoughts are just mine and I want to scream so much more about how tragically stupid this family is but I await the day when a hero who loves bugs and maggots and the study of terpenes to help me understand all the actualities of science…however, I will never understand the cold, hard realities of the Anthonys.
ada, there was just the one undocumented Brad issue– that he didn’t have– you know if Baez gave Mr. and Mrs. Not Baez Clients Anthony, those documents but left out the ‘hair’ one, that was either sloppy and put Bradley in a bad light, or he’s saving that for this week’s docdump/media blitz.
Anyone know for sure when the court hearing is scheduled? This Friday or next?
pg 3472, one little lonely slash pine tree at the remains site. Interesting that they mention there is only one, and its proximity (close, I am assuming, since it is in “lane 1″) to the remains.
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html
Hmmmmm…
Good thing no one from OSCO decided to fluoroscene the trunk of Casey’s car first thing?? I assume they did not, as you would tend to obliterate any fluorescence from the mold that formed the staining and liquid pattern in the carpet?
If they wanted to detect hemo, would they do this at the end of all other testing, would they retain any original sampling sections of the carpet for trial that have not been exposed to chemical or other destructive methods? Is there a way to test for blood by sampling areas, testing those instead of spraying fluoroscene over the whole trunk area?
Linda stick with Blink and all the Blinkster’s they know their stuff, you will surely be enlightened, this is such a refreshing mature site that is honest and fair.
I believe the Court hearing is Oct 16th.
Comment by suz — October 5, 2009 @ 9:50 pm
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Ref: Post#3 Thanks,Sue..this is what I said…you can call it black..I called it green..perhaps it was the green black bag type! Hugs
# 69-Someone clearly did a bang up job of cleaning the trunk.
Was any evidence released yet on the vacuums, etc from the Anthony’s house? Even if the bags were disposed of, there could still be trace evidence in the hose or filters. on the other side, the car could have been cleaned out at one of those commercial places where you put change into the machine.
no, addressing Part III
B
Comment by westsidehudson — October 6, 2009 @ 9:18 am
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That was great…like reading a good book…Thanks!
Kleat….you rock!
# 86- ProvokingPoirot
I wondered if the terpins were transferred from the back yard at the Anthonys, near the playhouse (there is an overhanging pine tree) into the trunk ( this would explain the dog hits), or from the dump site into the trunk. It could have been the shovel that moved the terpins into the trunk, or the pants & shoes etc. We know that they had been laundered, before testing so… We don’t know what shirt she was wearing, so it could have been that as well.
It’s even possible that the terpins could have passively dropped from the trees, by wind or animal rustling, into the trunk.
Also to #69 ChicagoJudy- Anyone who has been in the medical field or in law enforcement, or who has read or watched true forensic stories knows that bleach will kill damn nearly anything and will break down biological material to bits. So I thought perhaps that some of this might have been used in the trunk, (except that I would think there would have been some ‘white-out spots’). I had thought that it might account for the chloroform levels, as well.
Post # 43/44 IMO there probably would of been a lot more evidense if the A’s would not of lead the world on a missing childs case…In just the time from June until July..Cindy would of gone about her normal work chores and cleaned items up without intention…Then the A’s start to do stupid things,like give the hairbrush of the dog out to the FBI…It makes them look as copiously as Casey…I think there is a lot more evidense than we all think here.
Even without much evidense, logical direction and probablity points only to Casey! Just like Scott Peterson, she will be convicted!
Dear Blinkers:
Have faith! The more Blink and others lead us through the journey of forensics and assorted legalise—the more certain a verdict of guilty will be returned if this case should ever make it to trial.
The defense is simply grandstanding, grasping at straws, throwing caution to the wind, putting on the dog and pony show—call it whatever you want—they are desparate!
Blink is right! Why would Baez or Lyons take that type of a gamble with Casey’s life on the line?? It just doesn’t make sense!!!
THERE ARE:
PRINTS…Turpins….fibers…weeds…decomp evidence…and enough circumstantial evidence (what Mother does not report a missing or “kidnapped” child for over a month?) 911 calls…there is enough evidence to prove even premeditation by Casey Anthony for Murder 1 !!
Yipeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Blink, you really are the best. =) While I continue to be fascinated by this case, I no longer have my doubts about Casey getting off, a mistrial, etc. etc. or a hung jury! It just isn’t going to happen now from all that is being revealed. Certain also there is much more we don’t even know. In some strange way now, I hope Blink is actually wrong so that Casey Anthony DOES have to go to trial…because then, and only then- will true justice be served for that innocent baby girl. If she cops a plea- it’s life behind bars and I am from the old School of an eye for an eye! I also think that is why Casey Anthony did finally have a change in her demeanor at the last appearance in Court—perhaps the reality of it all is finally sinking in. I think Casey Anthony truly thought she would walk away from this unscathed….now her destiny is staring her square in the face, regardless of what Baez is or is not telling her.
Thanks a gazillion Blink for all you do for this family and others…it means so much.
-J4C
I believe prints on the tape will ring more like premeditation, because honestly, giving Casey the benefit of the doubt is no longer an option if they are there. Who would take that gamble?
B
#67-”That’s not where he got it West Side, and if he had, I would agree. He got it from a witness that overheard it.”
Did this witness also give a statement to police? It would certainly cut into all of the Anthony’s statements of Casey being the perfect mother.
Who would want to shoot a “perfect mother” protecting everyone?
On the flip side, it adds to the defense of an accidental death, and fear of parents who might potentially, literally kill her!
#58…That was realy interesting…and it just reinforces my theory on the plastic bags found with the remaims..I saw a show on forencis or how it is made..can not remember..the show was describing the making of plastic garbage bags..while millions are made each day..there is only 17 boxes ever produced that are indentical, because of the recycled/polymer used at the time…so,can those bags at the crime scene be linked back to Casey?…perhaps the green/black bag found on the shelf in the garage with the other laundry bag in it, is a big facter? Rememeber,that diapers do not decompose either, we have not heard on its forencis yet! Or Casey’s shoes.
I keep reading that there were no photographs taken of the heart shaped residue on the duct tape. Wasn’t the sticker supposed to have been placed over the mouth area on the duct tape? If it was on the duct tape in the area of the face, how is it possible that there aren’t thousands of photographs? I know that those photos do exist and if the residue was visible, technology can enhance the photographs to reveal the residue, right?
BAM… What I been saying….
The defense contention is it can’t be Matched chemically, I doubt that was ever possible anyway
B
KLEAT
I am quite sure that there will be alot of things that will come out that we know nothing about that will bring things to light. I admire your tenacity and diligence !! I mainly just lurk here and s.m for new info and updates. thank you
chica
Is this guy Jim Thompson who says he saw Casey and Caylee twice, the last time being at WalMart have any credibility? I dont believe a word he says but others are using his story about seeing them around 3:00 to help establish a time line and theory. The theory being that
Casey’s “flurry of phone calls” was to try to get a babysitter so she could keep her date with Tony and when she couldnt she brought
Caylee home duct taped her and threw her in the trunk and that evening was seen on video tape at Blockbuster renting movies – does that make any sense?
I saw his interview, found him credible on the 6/9 date, simply mistaken on the 16th.
B
kleat
I get the feeling that baez put brad up this last press conference probably no surprise for anyone!! Anyways because he didnt want to make a fool of himself so he used conway and well we all know the anthonys love to be heard so they put their two cents in!every opportunity they get!! anything to be noticed and sway public opinion for their cause. I just love reading your comments! if that was me in their shoes I would be so sick and upset that the less I am seen the better! everyone mourns different and some dont even mourn.
Blink…Jim Thompson said he saw Caylee with a beanie baby. Did he describe the beanie baby? Was the beanie baby ever found?
WESTSIDE
do you feel that casey will take a plea somewhere down the road. I think that baez isnt the only one meeting with casey at the jail? I would think that this issue has been discussed with baez! after all she is giving him guildance right as he is not skilled and hasnt been in practice for long and this is his first capital murder. I can imagine the frustration they feel in dealing with casey and her stubborn attitude. she did look like depressed in her last court appearance. I didnt buy the crockodile tears but did feel her duress!! its only the begining for her as she spends more time in court when the trial begins.
Re# 71 Comment by ProvokingPoirot:
Wow…talk about making it real….
I know that what you posted is theoretical..
but it FELT very real!
Very good possible synopsis..it could well have come down just as you imagined..
Good job.
westside
the bang up job was orchestrated by george. after all he was in law enforcement and knew what to do and how to get get rid of evidence(clean up) sorry I am on my first cup of cofee and am a little slow lol.
artgal and Blink
Jim Thompson’s released written statement has the time on July 16 at around lunch time.
Media are now putting 3pm AND 4pm in their own reportings.
In the WESH interview video, we did not hear him mention a time.
Confusing, to say the least.
I agree about his credibility regarding the 9th (and suzeeB, if you re reading this, the store is a small, one-man shop, so Caylee would have been “quietly” sitting in a chair because her Mom was basically right there with her and never left her sight).
Thompson’s account of the 16th intrigues me, because of Tracey’s interview where she says CA said, “they’ve got the time line wrong”.
I think you mean June 16th?
B
kleat # 19
your so thurough amazed at reading the tape specifications all I can say is wow good research. you go girl!!
Blink, yes June 16, thank you for correcting me.
This guy is obviously tech-savy. I would be interested in him being shown the data of the cell pings and hear how or if can correlate his statement of the June 16th sighting.
Chica
Who knows? Collectively, the family displays this wall of inconsistencies, outright lies at times, and fantastical notions of defense strategies, including a still living Caylee, a cult killing, etc., it’s difficult to imagine Casey deviating from the “norm”. I don’t know for a fact that Lyon spoke to her about this, but I would believe that she wouldn’t be doing her job if she didn’t frankly discuss all the possibilities with Casey including accepting a plea.
I don’t think Casey was crying crocodile tears in court, I think that she was feeling the heat and weight of her situation. She was crying for herself, most sincerely.
#71…I can’t buy into the theory she could carry Caylee who was in 3 bags on the end of a garden shovel without Caylee tipping one way or the other with her own weight. Casey would have a very difficult time trying to handle a garden shovel with that large of a (how do I even say it correctly) “package” teetering on the end of a shovel because it is so small of an area.
Drats, another typo…
should have been “…how or if HE can correlate his statement of the June 16th sighting.
Do we tend to think that:
a) Casey went into the scary woods to dump the body—even digging a little shallow grave, or at least carefully placing the body at the base of the tree (was it at the base of a tree?)to ensure it was out of sight—or
b) Casey went a little ways in (say, as far as Cain) and then swung and flung the remains using the handles on the laundry bag and momentum? or
c) some other option
In my opinion, she was flung. Broken postmorteum tibia, IIRC.
B