Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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Thursday, June 17
All day Rumors fire up social media sites with posters claiming Kyron’s body has been found.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
Various reports poured in Thursday from different social media outlets claiming breaking developments. The phenomenon began with the first news of the second-grader’s disappearance June 4 from Skyline School, but now appears to be intensifying. Among the false claims: an arrest in the case and that Kyron had been found.
Sheriff’s officials were not only quick to denounce the speculation, but also expressed concern about the effect the rumors might have on Kyron’s family. “They’re not thinking about how the information that they’re spreading can affect others,” said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office.
The sheriff’s office has been fielding calls from the public in response to the erroneous information spreading online, she said.
Although much of the speculation originates on Facebook and Twitter, Portland TV station KOIN posted a story on its website Thursday afternoon with the headline, “Kyron Horman’s body found.”
KOIN News Director Lynn Heider said the post was a mistake and only appeared online, not on any broadcast.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/rumor_mill_in_kyron_horman_dis.html
The same day, WWeek came out with the cell phone ping story.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1154-sources_search_for_kyron_horman_focuses_on_step_mom_cell_records.html
If you look at Olive’s timeline, Friday the 11th was the first family press conference, AND the same day the search expanded to Sauvie Island. More Sauvie searching on the 12th. On Sunday, the 13th it the case is declared a criminal investigation. Video’s of traffic are asked for. Monday the 14th the “large scale” search is called off, BUT divers are on Sauvie Island. Tuesday the 15th, last day of school, the vigil and a photo of Kyron’s glasses is released.
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Thursday, June 17
All day Rumors fire up social media sites with posters claiming Kyron’s body has been found.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
Friday, the 18th is TH & truck flier day. Sunday flier’s are collected. That week, DY writes open letter, the wall of hope goes up and KH and DY appear on 4 network new shows on the 25th.
Does anyone else think all of this (especially the internet only KOIN story about Kyron being found) was meant to put intense pressure on TH? As we know, it failed to work, and that Saturday was the sting.
@Rose,
I noticed the FBI story contributor was Kyle Iboshi, whose name I recognized from his reports on Kyron. Thank you for the heads up on Huff Post. I missed that, but I sure noticed that OLive did not report.
@Rose, I thought the same of Touch to Beam, as you think of snapchat. How Samsung made it so easy to transfer pictures.
…I went to my Gallery to select a picture to send. With phones still almost touching, I selected a picture. On the screen above, a sign appears “Touch to Beam”. As soon as I touched the picture again, Noemi instantaneously received it on her phone. We tried a few more pictures. One touch and boom – it transferred in a second.
http://appsandgadgets.blogspot.com/2012/06/s-beam-transferring-files-in-jiffy-with.html
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Once you find a friend who has an NFC phone, Beam is designed to be exceedingly easy to use.
Perhaps best of all, because Beam is part of Android’s open-source development philosophy, any third-party company can dream up their own creative or crazy uses for Beam.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/android-beam1.htm
From my understanding, NFC uses personal area network. In my simple minded terms, there is no ping, so to speak. Of course the devices have to be close, if not touching, but if people were to use this method to share porn, I am not sure it would be as easy to track.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network
Thanks for the timeline stuff, erose.
I am now wondering if someone in LE was the rumor starter regarding Ky’s body. Maybe, as you suggest, to see who they got a rise out of and who they didn’t. I just found that post weird that the poster went through the trouble of saying that the information came from Ben Keefer via his son, including the part about tracking TMH’s cell phone to SI.
That makes me wonder if LE may have told Keefer that. IIRC, wasn’t Keefer who was the first one to mention “criminal” case and then was cut off immediately by Gates? (Anyone recall when that interview falls into the timeline above?) Had LE been telling him things that were not true in order to get a reaction? Was it Keefer who also provided the media with the TF list with all the names on it, that was later redacted from the media for privacy purposes?
Yes, it feels like someone was playing mind games very early on here. Has anyone seen another case where something like this was done? It reminds me of something I read about where LE were putting out some sort of advertising to lure in criminals, can’t remember exactly what it was now, something like a letter with a list of names in the paper that said come to such and such place because you’ve inherited some money. In that case, it worked, I think it was to find deadbeat dads or something.
I wonder if Terri & Kaine had a baby’s car seat in both vehicles? If Terri had Kiara with her that day in the truck, and at the gym, and then left the gym and came straight home, then the car seat (if they only had one) would have been in the truck.
Kaine says here, that they ran to the “car” (with daughter in arms) to go to the school, after the bus driver told them Kyron had not been in school all day.
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Kyrons-parents-full-interview-97177194.html
Kaine: I was there. Yeah. I was home from work.
I was work from, working from home in the afternoon and walked down with her to the bus with our daughter to go pick him up.
So I was there when the bus driver said he hadn’t been on, he wasn’t on the bus, and started the walk back up to…
Figured he’s probably just waiting at school for us, so it was Friday after the big day.
You know, we’re talking about maybe getting an ice cream after school.
It was kind of a special treat for the science fair.
So we just figured well he might have just waited up after school because he thought we were going to pick him up.
So we started the walk up and I heard her talking to the bus driver, and the bus driver had called up to the school, and I just heard the comment of he hasn’t been there all day and we started to run.
Reporter: Physically run.
Kaine: Yeah. Up to the car to go up to school to see what was going on.
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I can’t get the old video to play, but this was a transcript floating around. Just wondering, do people usually keep one in each car? I’m sure since they were in a panic, they would have taken whichever vehicle the car seat was in, if they only had one that is. Or could it be that while Kaine was upstairs working that Terri put the car seat in the mustang in anticipation of them going somewhere? IDK, just one more curious thing, I’d not thought about before.
@TRuth & erose. Re Keefers “criminal” comment etc. Remember in this timeframe Blink has confirmed some attendee parents being interviewed were flatly told before the interview Terri was the suspect. Hearing that, with his parents, imo that is what Keefer would pass on to his intimates. No doubt he told the GJ that is what he was told by LE.
T. Ruth says:
April 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm
I wonder if Terri & Kaine had a baby’s car seat in both vehicles? If Terri had Kiara with her that day in the truck, and at the gym, and then left the gym and came straight home, then the car seat (if they only had one) would have been in the truck.
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I believe Kaine and Terri were required by Oregon law to have a booster seat for Kyron in their vehicles as well as a front facing baby seat for Kiara.
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Blue Eyes, Brown Hair
http://coffeenewsvan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Kyron-Horman-missing-Ad-borderless_6-28-10.pdf
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The Oregon Legislature passed SB480 that increases the age a child must remain in a booster seat.
Taking effect July 1, 2007, the new law requires:
• Children over 40 pounds remain riding in a booster seat until age 8, or they are 4 ft. 9 inches in height.
• Infants remain riding rear-facing until they are 20 pounds and are 1 year of age.
• Children who are age 8 or over 4 ft. 9 inches tall must be properly secured with the safety belt system.
• Oregon law continues to require that children over 1 year old and between 20 and 40 pounds be restrained with a forward-facing child safety seat up to a minimum of 40 pounds or the weight limit of the seat.
The new requirements bring Oregon’s law up to best practice recommendations.
A downloadable flier (English and Spanish versions) with the new law is available on this page.
For more information on child safety seats, go to the ACTS Oregon website:
http://public.health.oregon.gov/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/SAFELIVING/KEEPINGCHILDRENSAFE/SAFEKIDS/Pages/posters.aspx
@ T. Ruth,
In my experience, some people do have baby seats for both cars because the seats have to be installed correctly and moving the seats is a hassle. They often install baby seats at fire stations to make sure it is done correctly.
To Blink,
Can you help me or point me in a direction to get a copies of my FBI reports under the FOIA regarding 2 hostage/kidnapping situations that I was involved in, I remember the FBI being called in to assist. It was in the mid 70′s I was around 9 yrs old give or take I can’t remember exactly?
I am not sure what you are asking me. If you need to, you can mark private at the top of your response.
B
Bumble says:
April 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm
@ T. Ruth,
In my experience, some people do have baby seats for both cars because the seats have to be installed correctly and moving the seats is a hassle. They often install baby seats at fire stations to make sure it is done correctly.
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My son has 1 and 1/2 year old daughter that has used car seats for the past year and a half. First a forward facing then a regular baby seat. They are not hard to install in a car using existing seat belts. My son and wife just move the car seat around. I have even had to put the baby seat in my car when I took mom and baby shopping.
The car seats are pretty expensive so I don’t know if Kaine would have wanted to pay for 2 car seats and
2 booster seats for Kiara and Kyron.
FWIW, it was, Tuesday, June 8, noon press conference where Keefer said “criminal investigation”.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/95897554.html
Later on Gates simply says he made a grammatical error:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0bDsd7bw1WIJ:www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1602615/Missing_child_Kyron_Horman_updated_link&client=firefox-a&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1
Multnomah Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates met with members of the media again Tuesday afternoon and called the disappearance of Kyron Horman an isolated case. He also clarified a remark made at an earlier news conference by Skyline Elementary Principal Ben Keefer, who said he couldn’t comment on “an ongoing criminal investigation.”
Gates called the remark a “grammatical error.”
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So, Terri had her LDT on Monday, Kaine & Desiree had theirs on Tuesday, same day as this noon presser.
Why would Keefer be calling this a criminal investigation? Was it just a grammatical error? Also interesting to note, that at this noon presser, Keefer talks about how many children are out of school that day. So, this tells me that all attendance has been received at the office well before noon and he has been notified of the tally. If he is made aware of attendance on this day, before noon, June 8, why was there ever any question as to when Kyron was marked absent on June 4? Was he not provided the same information that day at the usual time?
@Bumble says:
April 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Thanks, been a long time since I had to put one in the car and I thought they were pretty spendy now. Fire stations? LOL, The circle never ends here does it?
@TRuth, I never did see that comment before, or remember it being discussed. I don’t want the timeline stuff I posted to take focus off of your excellent question. I just wanted to post a reminder of how quickly events were moving at that time, and how it seemed everyone would benefit from TH being the single sole reason Kyron disappeared. There is still a small part of me that wonders if they did find Kyron. There was a definite shift in how the investigation was handled after that.
T. Ruth says:
April 27, 2013 at 12:25 pm
I had never seen this post before, it was apparently posted on the MKH website on June 29, 2010. Really a weird thing to do, if it isn’t true. Of course, it could be a mistake, that someone thought Kyron had been found, but to post that it came form the son of BK? Very weird.
“my friends dad is the principal of Kyrons school and he told us that they found Kyrons body at Sauvies island and tracked the stepmothers cell phone all the way there. That is why the father is leaving.. so sad”
http://forums.reddios.com/index.php?topic=137.200
Had any of you ever seen this before?
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For me, this was the final insult from PPS. They said next to nothing about Kyron’s disappearance, but went on and on about removing his name from the rooster. Cruel and unusual, IMO.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_name_dropped_at.html#comments
BTW, How weird that KH would register his son in the same school that “lost” him.
You know erose, I never thought of it just that way.
B
erose says:
April 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm
BTW, How weird that KH would register his son in the same school that “lost” him.
You know erose, I never thought of it just that way.
B
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Because Kaine Horman either: 1) knows where Kyron is; or 2) he is absolutely 120% sure that Terri is behind this, and the school was duped by her
If we look at #2, why would Kaine have said things like, *I wish she was still at my side*.? Why would he not, at the very least, take the school to task about how Terri was somehow able to dupe the school in the first place?
And, I still don’t understand the RO saying Terri Horman was not allowed near Skyline? Why? Kyron wasn’t there, Kiara was no where near there……..I’ve always thought that this meant that someone in that school is suspected of being in cahoots with Terri. JMO, but if that is so, then why would anyone from the school do that?
Terri was having an affair with someone at the school?
Terri told someone at the school (true or not) that Kaine was abusing his son?
Terri had something “on” someone at the school involving some illegal activity?
Will anything ever make any sense in this case?
http://www.kval.com/news/local/103090759.html?tab=video
I was looking over this presser clip again the other day, and when Staton is asked by the reporter here “if we would be shocked to know what he knows” …..I never noticed this before, but I would say he’s seriously trying to hold in….a smile, a laugh….then at the same time Gates lowers his head way down so we cannot see his face either.
It’s at about 2:40 on this clip. I never noticed this before, but if you play the clip second by second, that’s sure what it looks like. It looks like they are both about to bust out in laughter, but could not.
Maybe I’m just seeing things. Tell me what you think.
Right erose. Kid woukd be terrified to return there, even if Dad isn’t.
Calling that guardian ad litem to the rescue.
@TRuth. I agree. A mutt & jeff routine tittilating the public. idk why.
Strutting their public image when they have nothing else?
Re car seats – It is very common around here for a family that has 2 cars that are able to be used by the whole family to have a child safety or booster seat in each car. Even the seats that double as a baby carrier can have a base in each car. Although it is expensive and isn’t really necessary, it takes time and patience and care to get the seats in different makes/models of cars or trucks and it isn’t fun in cold, wet weather. The first time someone drives off in the car without leaving the car seat behind for the other parent to use in car number 2 is probably when parents go shopping again. Of course not every family has 2 cars, but the first thing I did for my grandkids was to get child safety seats for my own car.
Interesting article. Doesn’t mention North Clackamas School District. They have been trying to work on a safety plan for a few months and evaluate individual buildings – I don’t think they’ve gotten very far yet.
http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/School-safety-how-secure-are-our-schools-Lake-Oswego-205322901.html
erose says:
April 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm
BTW, How weird that KH would register his son in the same school that “lost” him.
You know erose, I never thought of it just that way.
B
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I thought about it, but then I thought about the options. He could have withdrawn him which would have made it seem he didn’t think he’d be found alive, no matter what reason he gave the public.
He could have attempted to register him at a private school – if the private school allowed it, given the circumstances, he would have had to pay tuition which I doubt he would want to do even if it might be refunded later.
He could have applied for a PPS transfer to another elementary school and I doubt they would have refused him, but it would have been a big media story. Since an “emergency transfer” could be granted at any point, there really wasn’t a reason to “rock the boat” at that point, IMO.
Kaine may have had other reasons, of course. In any case, the rule about automatically withdrawing a student who is absent 10 consecutive days is a state rule and would have happened anywhere in an Oregon public school. Private schools also have attendance requirements because they don’t want empty seats when they have waiting lists.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_name_dropped_at.html#comments
“Although Kyron has not been seen since June 4 at Skyline, his father, Kaine Horman, enrolled him in third grade, signed him up for soccer, bought a new “Iron Man” backpack and stuffed it full of school supplies.
Skyline School assigned Kyron to a classroom and was even prepared to set aside a desk, though his father declined the offer, saying it wouldn’t be good for other students.”
In context, this fits in with the way KH has dealt with this issue, preserving Kyron’s room, bed , toys, et al. as if Kyron is coming home at any time. It appears to be simply a coping mechanism: K will be home soon and go back his bed, his school, and play soccer and I will have his backpack and supplies ready for him. Keeping Ky in the same school fits in with this. The second paragraph I quoted makes it clear the Kaine was aware that Ky wasn’t coming back soon and resuming his previous life.
The RO keeping TMH away from the school fits in with the same line of thought: Ky will be home soon and going back to Skyline.
There may be other benefits to keeping TMH away from the school (witness tampering or intimidation), but that is not within the scope of the RO.
I do agree with you in theory GD, but that is not what had me cocking my head to the side with erose’s post for the first time on the re-enrollment.
Kaine doing that is an example of exercising sole custody (physical) authority to do so as well. I don’t care what parent it is, unless their is verified proof (for them) and that would even include this scenario because Kaine was told, repeat, WAS TOLD that Kyron did not leave SS with TMH. So- in my mind, for even a plan that involves her participation to work, SOMEONE or SOME SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES involving the school staff or it’s process and/or both had to fail for Kyron Horman to “disappear”.
Normally, that induces significant fear and of course generalized fear just from the knowledge that was the last place he was. How the Hell do you have an RO that states that maybe your toddler saw something hideous or frightening- again stemming from that location and it’s apparent failures, and then march up there and sign your missing son up from classes.
Could that be a therapist instruction for coping? I am not sure that makes sense to me, considering.
But I am of the opinion that I still do not understand how ground zero is not ground zero to Kyron’s parents, or apparently LE.
B
@mbs. If my husband did not even very sacrifically pay for private school & quietly enroll him after a period of adjustment & treatment, to give him the safety & privacy Kitzhaber’s son had at the same age nearby, I’m afraid I’d
add to my son’s trauma by seeing that a Judge in divorce court would order it along with
full physical custody. I’m pretty sure any Portland private would take him even mid-semester, & I
understand the admissions system. He’s be a high value “community service” publicity.
Imo it was all about getting a leg up on Desiree in a change of physical custody petition. “needs the continuity”
having Keefer & teacher to testify to his good return adjustment to that continuity & how much they can do for him. Blah blah.
IIRC when Kaine registered Kyron that next fall, he was maintaining that Kyron would reappear any time. hence the new clothes n his expected size after three months of growth and new lunch pail. Didn’t he also sign him up for soccer? That was also his purported reason for wanting to come back to the Sheltered Nook house, so it would feel safe and familiar to Kyron when he returned. It probably never occurred to Kaine that Kyron would be traumatized by the experience. after all, it was his stepmother that took him, and that was no different from every day that he spent with her.
Even if Terri were having an affair with someone at the school, that is not illegal. nor is having friends there. she volunteered frequently. these things do not in any way imply disappearing Kyron. Big problem in this case is the continuing assignment of unsavory behavior to Terri to explain how she came to be responsible for Kyron going missing. If she had a lover who has Kyron, LE needs to be looking for that lover. Terri does not have Kyron. From a couple days into the case, it’s been about making a case against Terri and convicting her rather than about finding the missing child and who has or has had him. since Terri has never been seen with Kyron after June 4, should he reappear then clearly she didn’t murder him, and whoever has had him is the perp. I suppose the MFH accusation makes it sound like she hired somebody to take him, or got a lover to do it, but what lover would want that criminal liability? The terri thing doesn’t make sense to me. No motive and probably no opportunity since LE apparently has tapes of where she was all but a few minutes of the morning. a few unaccounted minutes or even an hour or two does not equate to the murder of a child. By planting this idea in heads of public so early, it seems impossible to move on to realistic investigation.
I still say there is something going on at that school besides incompetence, that is being protected by LE and K. off limits. and very possibly Terri knows what it is and THAT is the real reason they don’t want her anywhere near there or even in Portland if possible. That plan at least was a success.
If Staton & Gates are holding in a laugh when asked that question, about being shocked, the only thing I can think of is, I’m wondering if it’s possible that Terri, IF she sent pictures of her naked self to MC may have sent the same sort of photos to the landscaper, and if that’s what Staton & Gates may have been trying not to laugh at. Knowing things they didn’t want to know. They would not have been privy to Kaine’s divorce documents’ attachments, would they? IDK, but it’s the only thing I can think of that they might consider funny in this case.
Certainly nothing about a missing child is laughing matter.
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The FBI would remain active, along with Port of Portland Police, Portland Police, Fairview and Troutdale departments. Staton added that Multnomah County would play about a 30 percent role.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html
So Staton said as of September 2010, Multnomah County would only play a 30% role in this case from here on out. So who was the other 70%? FBI? Portland Police? Why the Port of Portland Police remaining on? Fairview? Troutdale?
I see the Troutdale airport connection has already been discussed here, seems like Hervness’ comments about a possible sighting there might make good sense as to why PPA and Troutdale were remaining on the case. Gotta wonder though, why no truck fliers were distributed around there? They weren’t, were they?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-173/
erose says:
July 20, 2011 at 4:00 am
Another interesting post, after the presser where we were trying to wrap our heads around Troutdale and Fairview LE on the task force. I bring it up due to the July 15 event where KH was selling bracelets and buttons. Wood Village Nite Out. Perhaps reaching that area for a reason.
hervness says:
September 16, 2010 at 1:27 pm
I live in Gresham, which is closely tied with the Troutdale/Fairview area (in fact, in reality, you can’t tell the difference driving in them, in more fact, add Wood Village to the area as well). The thing about this area, besides the high (er) crime rate, hispanic population and meth problem, is that the area is easily accessible by plane, boat and an interstate freeway. If you wanted to “disappear” a tree frog expert, you’d have more options from this area than the Skyline area. It’s also in close proxomity to the Mt. Hood National Forest. A densely forested area with not a lot of people. It’s also, via back roads, about 17-20 miles from the southern areas of Canby, Oregon City and the like. It’s across the river from the Skyline area, but at that time of the morning, the traffic headed to this side of the river would be as minimal as it’s going to get. You could reasonably make the drive out here from Skyline in about 30-35 minutes if you had a route in mind. From here? Who knows.
The Troutdale airport is small, it’s a fairly tight knit community of people. But keep in mind that in June they were finishing the build on the new Fed Ex plant right down the street. There were lots and lots of trucks going in and out of the area on a daily basis, so something out of the norm in that area may not have been as noticable.
erose says:
July 20, 2011 at 4:05 am
hervness says:
September 16, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Hmm. Perhaps an interesting coincidence. Multnomah County Commissioner Diane McKeel (District 4, serving Gresham, Troutdale/Fairview) is at the forefront of human trafficking issues. I wonder if there’s a reason Staton mentioned that area. Could she be lending more of her resources to the investigation due to that angle? Completely and totally MOO. Just thought it was an interesting angle. As soon as Staton mentioned that area, my thought went to her and her work.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-14/#comments
It will be interesting to see if kaine enrolls Kiara at Skyline school in 2 more years. I think he probably will send her to school at Skyline and maybe even pre school. If i was Kiara’s parent I woilld not let my child anywhere near that school.
T.Ruth (9:40 pm) says:
Because Kaine Horman either: 1) knows where Kyron is; or…
(and)
And, I still don’t understand the RO saying Terri Horman was not allowed near Skyline? ….
(and)
Terri was having an affair with someone at the school?
Terri told someone at the school (true or not)
So that made me wonder about option #1.
If he knows where Kyron is, then Kyron would at least still be alive. KH sometimes acts like someone with An Agenda, going the distance to get rid of wifey #2.
T.Ruth wondered if maybe TMH was having an affair, but maybe KAINE was the one having an affair with someone at the school (teacher???)
and KH and (He/She-Teacher) didn’t want to give TMH ammunition to sue the pants off of him in court and take both babies away.
You know one thing?? In the past few weeks, I notice that we are turning rocks over from everywhere and a LOT of cockroaches are crawling out, but poor innocent little Kyron is nowhere to be found.
@T. Ruth says: April 29, 2013 at 9:40 pm
erose says:April 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm
BTW, How weird that KH would register his son in the same school that “lost” him.
You know erose, I never thought of it just that way.
B
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hmmm. Revenge??
Terri took her son (James) away from Kaine.
so
Kaine took HIS son (Kyron) away from Terri.
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I think that Kaine enrolled Kyron at Skyline to show that in his opinion the school was not involved or at fault, and to keep the focus on Terri. If Kaine and Desiree don’t have alot more information regarding what happened to Kyron than we do, they are doing Kyron an injustice by not holding the school at least partially accountable.
I tried to post this earlier today, but we lost internet service. I thought it might be a sign to keep my big mouth shut, but I going to say it anyway.
From Kyron’s perspective it would be like a parent saying, “You’ve been God knows where, with God knows who, doing God knows what, but take this backpack, and hop on that bus and I hope to see you at the end of the driveway between 3:30 and 3:45. Don’t forget to feed that cat on your way out.”
So I want to know, did KH schedule wellness check-ups or a six month preventive dental appointment, too?
In response to what has been said today, I respect the opinions and they are reasonable explanations. Still I ask you to consider if KH is coping, why must he display his coping mechanisms for the press? If the school district is following procedures, why call attention to these procedures in the media?
I think this was some sort of custody statement. Who does that when their child is missing, and what to make of the agenda of the school to propagate this agenda, or does it fit with their own somehow? Which begs the legal question, if KH can flex his custodial muscle over a missing child, why couldn’t DY take the opportunity to contest it?
Read the comments.
Oregon lawmakers focus on pair of sex-trafficking bills
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/04/oregon_lawmakers_focus_on_pair.html#incart_m-rpt-2
@cd. speaking if Kiara. It seems to me in part he’s stalling custody litigation until he can enroll her in nursery school and put another “continuity” arguement in his quiver, along with having tge testimony if a school about how well adjusted she is. The older I get, I take the big pic & see how specious this is in a custody context. Most children are very resiliant & weather dramatic changes well particularly if they have a loving attachment nurturer, and the latter need not be the bio parent. This whole “best interests of the child” was new & revolutionary in the late 70s. So was the thought of a Bill of Rights for children in foster care. We’ve let best interests of the child deteriorate into pablum allowing judges to simply do what they want. As I think of it now, if Terri is cleared, the whole “new” social notion of reintroducing a mother gradually, under supervision, & slowly is imo crap made up only in very recent decades mostly by State Depts of Social Services in cpsd settings. Children in many parts of the world are separated from parents due to war or work or narural disaster & no one puts them on sliding scales back to reunion lest living with a parent again generate emotional shock. Rather children always want to find mother again & asap. As Aaron’s dad keeps saying, every day of separation matters to a child.
Having spent a lot of time reading about these Police Depts recently, I believe those who didnt join (PPB/Reese) or dropped out (Gresham & it’s experienced Detectives) did so because they did not want to work with Staton & his team
due to a history of management conflicts or a disagreement with conduct of the investigation, more so than the okd budget & expense excuse held out as cover
KH is making a very loud statement, coping??? I don’t think so. So what his is motivation? Sticking it to TH?
I still want to know why no court Guardian has been appointed for both Kyron and Kiara?
True dat- 100% agreed.
B
cd says:
April 29, 2013 at 11:58 am
Bumble says:
April 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm
@ T. Ruth,
In my experience, some people do have baby seats for both cars because the seats have to be installed correctly and moving the seats is a hassle. They often install baby seats at fire stations to make sure it is done correctly.
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My son has 1 and 1/2 year old daughter that has used car seats for the past year and a half. First a forward facing then a regular baby seat. They are not hard to install in a car using existing seat belts. My son and wife just move the car seat around. I have even had to put the baby seat in my car when I took mom and baby shopping.
The car seats are pretty expensive so I don’t know if Kaine would have wanted to pay for 2 car seats and
2 booster seats for Kiara and Kyron.
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@cd
I can only speak to my own experience and that of the people I know, but car seats come in a wide range of prices and the Horman’s were much better off than myself, so I am sure they could afford 2 seats for each car. People really do get infant seats installed at the fire station, while they are easy to buckle in, there is a little more to it than that sometimes.
I have no idea what it is you are asking me to look at. I need you to be specific please. Mark Private as you did just now.
B
I doubt if Kaine took Kyron and Kiara anywhere in his car very often. He had his own life, after all. Working full time at Intel, traveling to headquarters in Calif a couple? times a week, Bottoms Up tavern, gym. Probably some social life with the guys. Chances are they used Terri’s car when the whole family was going somewhere. On the rare occasions when K was driving Kiara and/or Kyron, they probably switched cars or moved the seats. buying 4 seats (2 per car) is not cheap.
It is worrying that no court guardian has been appointed for Kiara. With Kaine’s devotion to the Kyron Awareness industry, his growing celebrity appearances at various functions, his full time job, Kiara has no status in the family at all. She should be removed from his care. How can she compete with an idealized invisible brother that occupies all her daddy’s attention? I noticed that when asked about her, Kaine has said more than once, “She puts a smile on our face every day.” First, is that the royal we or the person who actually cares for Kiara? and who puts smiles on her face? I can’t imagine talking with daddy about kyron makes her smile much. Who appoints the guardian? is this something kantor should have done? is this another thing DA protested to “put pressure on terri”?
@grasshopper, “royal we” LOL.
T. Ruth says:
April 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm
I see the Troutdale airport connection has already been discussed here, seems like Hervness’ comments about a possible sighting there might make good sense as to why PPA and Troutdale were remaining on the case. Gotta wonder though, why no truck fliers were distributed around there? They weren’t, were they?
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Nothing out here. We moved further out, still in the far out East County area. No truck fliers, no nothing. I don’t even see things in the grocery stores anymore. There’s just so much open space right outside the area . . .
I still maintain you could have someone out of the area (heading east) in a short matter of time. I left a meeting in far SW/Tualatin at 4:10 and was pulling into my driveway in Troutdale at 4:57 (you locals know how amazing that is). Granted, that’s not normal, but that time of the morning is really the only time you’re assured a quick trip from one side of the river to the other.
If it were me running this investigation and I didn’t have my head firmly planted, ahem, elsewhere, I would have looked east first. In just Troutdale you have NUMEROUS truck stops, you have an airport and you have multiple boat launches.
great reasoning hervness. Wish you were on mcso’s team.
in Arias case I am struck at how the prosecutor was hamstrung by ME weaknesses (which were severe) and by the weaknesses or incompetence of detectives over time. The latter dictated his case theories (ie sequence of murderous events) to prosecution’s detriment. I believe thise very investigatory weaknesses will always asversely affect justice for Kyron.
Driving yesterday, heard an npr interview of a blogger who was anonymous but revealed herself on book release. STFU parents (can google that). shut the fuck up parents. people send the blog outrageous postings parents have put up about their kids on social media like facebook. Site was to critique these selfabsorbed parents who glory in the minutia of fevers, excrement, glorious child successes, bad days, etc. Has subcategories–ie the Woe is Me Mom. All a Houzeneeds to demonstrate mothers galore at times say I hate my kids today to rebut whatever D thinks were in those emails.
Since we had been discussing the TVF&R District, I stumbled across this, which I’d never seen before: (Funny, you go back and you think you’ve seen and read everything, but nope there’s more, and/or something you hadn’t considered *significant* jumps out at you.)
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=143491459021620
Kaine Horman and Desiree Young thanked the volunteers and firefighters in a statement released Monday.
“We would like to say thank you to those of you who came out on Sunday and volunteered your time to help us move The Wall of Hope for Kyron. We really appreciated the help we couldn’t have done it without you.
“We want to give a special thank you to the Tualatin Valley Fire and Rescue men that also volunteered their time and manpower to help. We also want to thank them for allowing us to keep the Wall of Hope in a significant location, by offering their property to display it to the public. The public, the community and all who wish to visit Kyron’s Wall to give hope will be able to continue to do that.
“The continued help and support is what will bring him home soon. Thank you so much.”
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So why is this location “significant” to this case? Or was that just a poor choice of words and it maybe should have said nearby or central something else. Odd wording, sometimes I think maybe Kyron himself is speaking to us through these three adults.
that fire station is very near the school and easy to find for pilgrims. maybe having it at a public place like a firestation implies something official, recognized by the government that made it significant. it’s all very sweet, but I don’t for the life of me understand how that Wall of Hope is going to bring Kyron home.
I think it was fall 2010 when the Fire Station decided it needed to go and it was moved Kaine’s favorite gym grounds.
I find the irony of it disturbing since the Wall has become a shrine for the Terri haters. They maintain it, plan balloon releases, post fresh messages of love to Kyron regularly. K & D are both supportive of it of course because that’s their most fervent crowd of fans and supporters who also help with Awareness functions and run the ebay store. Maybe it should be called the Dysfunctional Wall.
hervness says:
May 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm
T. Ruth says:
April 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm
I see the Troutdale airport connection has already been discussed here, seems like Hervness’ comments about a possible sighting there might make good sense as to why PPA and Troutdale were remaining on the case. Gotta wonder though, why no truck fliers were distributed around there? They weren’t, were they?
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Nothing out here. We moved further out, still in the far out East County area. No truck fliers, no nothing. I don’t even see things in the grocery stores anymore. There’s just so much open space right outside the area . . .
I still maintain you could have someone out of the area (heading east) in a short matter of time. I left a meeting in far SW/Tualatin at 4:10 and was pulling into my driveway in Troutdale at 4:57 (you locals know how amazing that is). Granted, that’s not normal, but that time of the morning is really the only time you’re assured a quick trip from one side of the river to the other.
If it were me running this investigation and I didn’t have my head firmly planted, ahem, elsewhere, I would have looked east first. In just Troutdale you have NUMEROUS truck stops, you have an airport and you have multiple boat launches.
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@hervness – You are absolutely right about the best window of time for driving most anywhere around here is mid-morning although accidents and construction can change that, of course. It still causes one to wonder just how much lead time SZ (and whoever) felt could be counted on to get Kyron to another location.
Out of all those people present that morning, it would only take one to see Kyron getting in a car, check with the teacher, and have an amber alert follow. Why did SZ think that wouldn’t or couldn’t happen? Unless we believe there was some alignment of the planets, it seems there was some planning involved.
I can’t help feel either a solid plan was in place for moving Kyron away as fast as possible, or he never got more than a few miles from school at the most.
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Rose says:
May 3, 2013 at 8:26 am
(snipped) All a Houzeneeds to demonstrate mothers galore at times say I hate my kids today to rebut whatever D thinks were in those emails.
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There are also websites devoted to the feelings of stepmom’s about their stepchildren, etc. Some would say they are just venting, but some are really awful and fit right in with what you mentioned. There’s a degree of safety in numbers, I guess, since if only one person posted about those feelings it would appear really bad, especially if something happened to a child. If someone can think it, how do we know where the line is between that and continuing thoughts of actually doing it, especially in the company of others doing the same and making it seem more normal. Obviously, not everyone carries out such thoughts.
We are a month away from the three year mark. We are nothing if not persistent.
What does it say about who took Kyron that he has not been found or recovered?
If he called from a phone booth tomorrow, what would that say about what happened to him?
If he was recovered tomorrow, would it change what you are thinking?
Almost three years, where are we at?
I was checking FB & came across TJ (DD cousin) what a fame whore…he is saying DD told him Terri paid her to get rid of Kyron because she caught Kyron humping Kiara…seems like LE would of heard this & somebody would under arrest…… Blink if you don’t think this should be out there, please delete it.
Is this that creepy dude who said he was a suspect and his wife was killed in the prop of a boat he was driving? Please stop reading anything he posts anywhere my good people.
B
Two bartenders at the Bottom’s Up not permitted to sell liquor. Owner was fined. Stanton did not endorse the liquor license renewal in 2011. Random stuff, really. Family owns a travel agency as of 2008. Maybe a bread crumb, to follow, IDK.
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Jessica L Burman and Jeremy D Burman Bottoms Up Tavern Bartenders
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/52767156/ADMINISTRATIVE-POLICY-PROCESS-DIVISION-December-17-and-18-2009
Favorites: Other – Missing Kyron Horman
https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.burman
Banner Travel
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1314510&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Banner Travel Staff
http://www.bannertravel.com/default.asp?pid=32232
profile
https://plus.google.com/103840320321353188222/about
Web developer for Banner Travel
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeremy-burman/45/31a/5b2
Stanton’s unfavorable recommendation for renewal of Bottom’s Up Liquor License
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:E1MqIqiKvvoJ:multnomah.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php%3Fview_id%3D3%26clip_id%3D45%26meta_id%3D2928+16900+Northwest+Saint+Helens+Road,+Portland,+Oregon&cd=59&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Sherri Burman, owner of Banner Travel, can find the perfect travel package from Disneyland to Caribbean cruises and Hawaiian vacations – all at affordable prices.
http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=45966
Weird story, fwiw. Turns out in other articles this was a man not a woman. None of the stories explain why this person was a suspect, or why they were shot. If the state police shoot someone, you would think a reason would be reported.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/05/oregon_state_police_trooper_sh.html
http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/article_35d4be2a-b4fb-11e2-8a86-001a4bcf887a.html
Way bizarre, I certainly hope they did not run this dude into a ditch and kill him for a suspended drivers license due to $150 or so in unpaid fines. He is 5’11″ and 220 lbs, not sure how that looks like a female exactly but ok.
B
Yes, he is the one who “accidentally”
killed his wife with boat prop.
If she paid DeDe, DeDe would have money,
Terri would have less. Easily traceable by LE.
This man needs a hobby other than posting nonsense on the web in an active mp case. Seriously.
B
Justice for Kyron is still raising money to fund Desiree’s lawsuit, this is one of the latest contributions:
A special thank you goes out to Quinn, Kyron’s brother. Quinn will be going off to culinary school next year and decided for his senior project that he wanted to cook a fabulous italian meal with all of the proceeds going toward the Justice for Kyron fund. Quinn was able to raise more than $160! You make your mom and all of us so proud. Love you kiddo.
Another thanks to all of the people who volunteered their time to help him with this, including Mrs. Richmond, Niko and Andy.
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
Nice picture of Quinn & his mom there. I think Kyron looks a lot like his older brother and would look, as he ages, even more like him. JMO.
I’m thinking that Desiree doesn’t seem to have much faith in LE doing anything, or why would she and her family still be raising money for this lawsuit.