Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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@Blink. exactly. they believed it was worthwhile
to expend MCDA, MCSO, citizens’ time
and resources to ride the “no evidence” train
into a true bill indictment station. I just doubt
they’ve sent that train to look for a different passenger.
Houndog, you’re ready for Xmas early.
Oliva is the JBR suspect from Oregon
arrested in Boulder on another charge.
Blink….I have posted 3 post with the same info and they went poof..Trying again…I have seen Gary Oliva spelled both ways Oliva and Olivia. Not sure which is correct. Maybe it is the link I posted.
Yes, yes, I recall. My mind went to a woman and I was like, Waa? I understand his DNA was tested a long time ago so I doubt it is him, but I am trusting that info as fact.
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denverpost.com/2016/06/22/jonbenet-ramsey-child-porn-boulder-gary-oliva/
Use http before this and it may work. Rose posted another link for an article on this guy which is why I looked for him. Thanks Rose.
Blink I have no doubt you would have a million questions. I still cannot digest the injustice of it all and the lying. I am so naive.
I don’t think trusting people in a very position of public trust makes anyone naive- most especially when you take the time to evaluate facts as you have- which is more consideration than some of the LEO’s on JBR’s case. Theory can only ever be derived from the evidence- not the other way around. That said- BPD’s fake or arguable evidence doesn’t even support its theory, lol, so like you- I cannot wrap my head around what an egregious cluster this case is and will seemingly stay.
B
I did get the impression that Hunter was on the guilty Ramsey bandwagon until he either made an unpopular decision based on professional ethics or moral standards I am not sure But what good did that do when a special prosecutor was appointed. Agenda much?
@Ode. iirc his pics on last arrest depict him as ungroomed,
homeless looking. not someone who’d “blend” inside Skyline.
and disorganized.
O/T
Thanks for the hugs THG. The band has been recorded several times when we play the Austin Central Market spring music festival. The problem is that it is an outdoor event and the recordings pick up all the attendant sounds which destroys the quality.
We rehears at the new first Baptist Church bldg. in Marble Falls. They have the beginnings of a studio quality recording facility, but still not up to professional level. The music director has made a lot of progress in the placement of equipment. Maybe in a year we may be able to make a quality DVD of a concert.
On Topic
The witness that saw an adult in a white pick-up truck may indeed be correct. The problem is white is one of the most popular colors for trucks in warm climates. White will reflect the heat away from the vehicle that will produce a 22 degree heat differential inside when compared with black. Did a month long study in 1959 to determine the color advantages in the South Texas heat of summer.
The fact that there are many white trucks that could have appeared at Skyline School on the day of Kyron’s abduction and the fact that eye witness reports may be from people who had zero knowledge of the Horman truck or for that matter never paid any attention to the make and model of the truck or the tires or aftermarket alterations that may have been made to the vehicle makes the statement difficult to accept.
Your site sure looks colorful and imposing on a real computer. Even the quilt colors look better (except mine).
About that first special on JBR, A&E? I feel it was definitive and don’t plan to watch any others (esp dr philup). Actually I watched it on the phone and came and went with attention.
But some of what I remember is:
the BPD errors were both from the top (the Chief) and from the bottom (the officers at the scene that first day).
The Chief appeared to have a rivalrous relationship with the DA, whoever happened to be occupying the office. Or maybe he just had an oppositional personality (say like Staton). The officers on the scene policed, like Tony, by “gut.” What strikes the ear, what feels right? The most salient representative was the icy blue eyed blonde officer who would only use the word “cordial” about Mr. R (imo she felt that indicated guilt–the way he received her at the door rather than falling apart). With gimlet slit eyes as he walked up the stairs carrying JBR, she said she pulled her holster gun closer knowing she was in the presence of the killer. She was quite determined. And who was there but officers and the Ramseys. She determined from the outside of the response call that the Ramseys did it. She was emblematic of those there that day.
Smits work was quite good, but not out of the ordinary for any trained homicide cop. His difference was that as he lamented, he had no powers associated with the investigation, which are critical. he was employed by the DA as an investigator, and he came from another jurisdiction altogether, which was key. Using retired PPB or MCSo officers to handle cold cases or homicides is not helpful in the Horman case. Needs to be a homicide detective from “away.”
One trouble in Multnomah is the DA’s investigator is on his staff, not from “away.” And while he is a retired effective homicide officer, he has a conflict of interest. (yes, MBS, Weatheroy. Close ties to PPS) The DA should not employ him on the Horman case but should contract out to a seasoned homicide investigator from another County.
There are certain rules erose about sharing exculpatory evidence, which are nevertheless violated because prosecutors want those wins and to put away persons about whom they have weak evidence but a “gut” feeling. That’s why Project Innocence is important.
It was impressive A&E outed every BPD leak was a lie. And designed to create conflict between the Ramseys themselves, and between Ramseys and the public. I also think that goes on continuously in other departments, and certainly in the Horman case. In fact, that is one item that almost causes one to forgive the Youngs their factually unfounded allegations (not Kaine, he knew his wife better imo) because one envisions them getting untrue “leaks” and briefings from MCSO, even from Frink. They had no reason to disbelieve a false leak designed to create conflict between them and Terri, between her and Kaine, between Kaine and Terri, between the public and Terri. Desiree ran with it, headstrong and unreflective imo. The motive I suppose was to estrange Terri from all social and monetary supports and to isolate her. Just like the Ramseys.
I watched it last night. Previous disclosures on JBR case apply. Apologize in advance for length, and for anyone unhappy with their festive quilt.
One of the disciplines I work at constantly to stay neutral when investigating is to posit the question to myself (or others if need be) in response to a piece of information or alleged fact that lends itself to theory is.. Is it evidence? Part of my training (FBI protocol, The Academy Group) requires evidence goes in one column (meaning relevant, material,(debate on admissibility comes later if a factor) everything else in another to be proven/disproved/dispositioned. I have not looked into my JBR file in some time but it is voluminous. A&E’s coverage of JBR this year is the first of 3 separate investigations and they did not include interviews with any principles involved in her case initially with the exception of John Ramsey.
In my view- one parallel in particular stands out for me. The FBI (and or retired FBI experts) were brought in to consult and BPD dismissed those contributions summarily.
It is my opinion that while Staton did the right thing by calling in the FBI- once the FBI had enough time on the ground and exposure to TH, investigative practice and decisions they got the “thanks we will take it from here” here’s your hats… etc. I will be discussing the reasons for my opinion in the series. In my view, this occurs at the same “divide” in Kyron’s case- almost identically. The divide where the initial investigative requirement- exclusion or inclusion of the parents (protocol as 9/10 times it is a parent/caregiver/family member/domestic partner) ends without a conclusion- OR with evidence to include an unassociated or unknown third party or parties.
Throw in: the uber media scrutiny, prolific coverage, budget vacuum and the price the tabloids are willing to pay for just about any nugget. < ----- All of which create a virtual tsunami when you have investigators who are not trained to manage these issues and have zero experience in so much as a homicide case (yes folks, Steve Thomas's first homicide of his career). Kyron's case was O'Donnell's first (and only) stranger (unsub) abduction, fist ever alleged mfh and he had just been booted from CAT. As you point out, this is occurring amidst MCSO and Frink's use of local media. Btw- where I come from, that behavior of witness tampering is an abuse of power (very least) allegation every day of the week.
On Arndt- likely a reason this ended her career. Not only do I not know even some mediocre detectives who would be willing to go on record stating they formed an opinion as to the killer of a child within seconds of viewing her active-rigor corpse in the arms of her Father, but I probably know even less that even admit it if it turned out they were actually right. She has no business investigating how a cat ends up in a tree, imo.
Sharing exculpatory evidence in discovery does not occur until due process starts- which means, outside of someone being indicted and arrested- it is not shared with the GJ
or defense counsel until post arraignment- and as we all know- this is a serious problem within our criminal justice system particularly. As an example- do we think the DNA evidence in JBR, known after 2 weeks was presented to the gj? Hell to the no. My guess is that is exactly why Hunter did not sign off. One can say at that time the DNA profile and its interpretation were not as conclusive as 2008- but in my view- Mary Lacy is a freaking hero who tried to right that ship.
At the end of the day for me- this now comes down to the masses that to this day, in spite of physical evidence (Forensic Science people, its what's for dinner) simply will not admit they had it wrong. If I live to be 100 I will never, ever understand that mentality as it relates to ultimate justice for a 6 year who died one of the most brutal and horrific deaths I have ever studied, on the dank basement floor- God rest this cherubs soul. Similarly to Kyron's case- why is it the child does not come before the ability to say someone is wrong with the ultimate goal serving the ends of justice?
B
clarification, the “gimlet slit eyes” were icy blonde’s as she recounted her reaction when father screamed as he came up the stairs holding JBR. I wouldn’t buy a used car from her.
ikr.
Or call her to get my cat out of the tree- which I don’t have.
B
What I meant to say and omitted was that Smit was remarkable for working without pay and round the clock tirelessly. As well as his methods and analysis. He was profound about detail and organization of detail.
It also struck me it was plain on the face of the JBR crime it was committed by a violent sexual predator–the sexual assault, the basement entry, the stun gun, the garrotte. The later makes me think his history could include autoerotic sexual asphixiation by noose himself. He got off on the garrotte as much as on whatever other sexual event occurred. Anyway Kyron’s seems the same motivation of sexual violence–plain on its face its not a family member.
Thinking of Wetterling who assaulted nearby and buried somewhere familiar, i suppose kyron was assaulted within one of those statistically normed radiuses of the abduction. was it 9 or 10 mi? Making Kelly’s sighting possibly of the abductor, thinking back to DAD and his light truck or suv and long red hair.
I personally do not believe there was any way for SZ to know or monitor whether Kyron would have been reported missing outside of the possibility of a police scanner so it is my assumption that sweet Kyron met his fate quickly and he remains in close proximity. Yes, this matches available empirical data associated with this offender profile.
B
Blink pointed out the timing was significant (early Xmas Day).
2 possibilities:
1) family was leaving town. Perp was someone who saw them in daily life routinely and was driven to act before a period of separation. ie a relative of a household employee, such as a son or brother, who was familiar with the family, their plans, and routines.
2) a time of early morning joy–awakening and presents for young children. He experienced childhood loss marring such happy celebratory routines. Or, his crime was directed as much at Brother as Sister. Charge in thwarting their joy.
What I would like to see covered on the Dr. P show is not so much the know case of Kyron. I wish someone would seriously cover how the state of Oregon could remove someone’s child (5 years) and refuse any visitation with said child without any evidence of neglect abuse or criminal offense committed by the excluded parent.
People need to know that in Oregon LE/judicial system/Human resources can violate anyone’s constitutional rights any time they want. I did not see any responsible agency including the ACLU stand up or even complain about this obvious violation of the constitutional rights. I have completely lost any faith or respect for the Oregon ACLU and the judicial system/ bar association. In Oregon they are a joke.
ot
an apparently useful 2002 guide to involved LE, some of whom had appropriate fates.
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/17anames.html
my takeaway is this was a dept in significant internal conflict, like mcso.
It is interesting under Staton the Commanders in charge of the scene who were investigation supervisors in June-July 2010, Gates & Reiser, and the significant Shuts, who lived with the Hormans, have promoted to the top of MCSO while their supervisees–the footsoldiers like O’Donnell– have been the scapegoats.
Ode, more on Oliva here:
T. Ruth says:
June 26, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Shoot my post disappeared. Oliva was in Medford in 2008 and from 2012-2014 arrested in Grants Pass in 1991. It would be interesting to know who made all these arrests. This guy’s schizo, so who knows what he would do if he held a grudge on somebody. Appears I have to break up the links again:
medfordmugshotsdotcom/profile/1433726/gary-howard-oliva/
medfordmugshotdotcom/profile/2026640/gary-howard-oliva-2/
medfordmugshotsdotcom/profile/2377298/gary-howard-oliva-4/
T. Ruth says:
June 26, 2016 at 1:37 pm
^^^Add your own http:// and make the dot a .
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-67/
@rose says:
September 8, 2016 at 1:34 am
2) a time of early morning joy–awakening and presents for young children. He experienced childhood loss marring such happy celebratory routines. Or, his crime was directed as much at Brother as Sister. Charge in thwarting their joy.
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Kinda fits Oliva, no?
ot
http://www.ode.state.or.us/data/reportcard/reports.aspx
I suppose this is the one just released?
I see the link didn’t go directly to Skyline.
Put Portland in the box then scroll down to skyline.
One thing I can wholeheartedly say about Terri is that she has always put “finding Kyron first”. Sure, she is upset that the finger is pointed at her, and all the losses she has suffered because of what happened, but overall, her main concern is that she wants Kyron back. All her oddities, all her mistakes, I do believe her heart is in the right place when it comes to the desire to get everyone to focus on her son instead of harassing her.
The best hope I have for the upcoming show is that she gets to finally flip the table and confront Staton with the Doc’s help… but I digress…
^^^ I should add, her daughter has been her main focus on why she stayed silent for so long… And it was when it was clear she had no real path to a reunion with her child when she spoke out with People Mag, so my guess is that she feels she has nothing to loose to speak out now. But it’s a guess…
clap, clap, cd. The person whose civil rights were most violated by the Oregon State actors was a 3 yo girl without the ability to retain a lawyer or fight for herself when her mother was raken away by the State despite zero evidence of abuse or neglect. Yes, that Charlene Williams’ leadsrship of Portland PPD’s CAT team was a joke. Shoukd’ve had a case open on this girl by a CAT team in a neighboring County due to Williams’ conflict of interest.
Bios imo should have sued Porter, Matthews, and PPS for both his abduction and failure to report his absence. they would handily have won, have learned much truth, have improved PPS safety for all children, and garnered plenty of Foundation $. Kaine of course wanted k in that School due to hus custody battle to get residential custody (continue her in school with neighbor chikdren). when he spoke about Skyline enrollment publicalky, he emphasized her roots in the local community with the school as an exemplar of local ties.
I suspect Desiree didn’t because her close advisor was busy about
establishing and leading gofundme and searches. Pennies on the dollar compared
to a PPS and employee suit.
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
I found the geographic discussion interesting re “comfort zones” and “anchor spots.”
Suggests K’s was attached to neighborhood or school, unless an
exception with a broader comfort zone ie a truck driver. Also relevant is “stops killing.” Henrich stopped after one.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/terri_horman_will_discuss_kyro.html#incart_2box
getting expectable “fame.”
I don’t buy, sorry, she’s on Dr Phillup because no one is looking for my son any more.
WAY better ways to address that.
Like walking into Reese’s office uninvited, or requesting to do so, Houze at her side. Press
conference in front of mcso after her debriefing.
I’m gonna vote for a decision to appear made out of a mood disorder (“high” phase) or
competitive with the bios, or easily led by the likes of Phillup to her detriment, or whatever …
but I’m not buying her putting it on “no one’s searching for my son.”
rose says:
September 8, 2016 at 9:30 am
Interesting for sure. Thinking KY’s case, if mapped out, would show very similar exits and entrances. (Please, somebody with those skills, give us a chart!)
It also struck me it was plain on the face of the JBR crime it was committed by a violent sexual predator–the sexual assault, the basement entry, the stun gun, the garrotte.
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Is it, has it been, confirmed that a stun-gun was used? (I haven’t followed that case like ya’ll have.)
cd says:
September 8, 2016 at 4:26
I wish someone would seriously cover how the state of Oregon could remove someone’s child (5 years) and refuse any visitation with said child without any evidence of neglect abuse or criminal offense committed by the excluded parent.
People need to know that in Oregon LE/judicial system/Human resources can violate anyone’s constitutional rights any time they want. I did not see any responsible agency including the ACLU stand up or even complain about this obvious violation of the constitutional rights. I have completely lost any faith or respect for the Oregon ACLU and the judicial system/ bar association. In Oregon they are a joke.
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Yep, me too!!!! Where the hell is the ALCU in this? Why weren’t they contacted? Or have they been?
CD and T Ruth
While we have a prime example of judicial & LE malfeasance in this case it is not the only state with problems with family courts. These courts usually have the least experienced people on the bench. Family law courts are faced with a lot of emotion from the defendants, their family and others of interest. It is a tough situation.
In Portland there is plenty of evidence that the courts are rife with the “good ole boy/girl” syndrome that plays protect the court players regardless of the harm they do to citizens. I would be willing to bet that across the country we could find a hundred or more situations of similar behavior.
We just had a situation in Texas where an appeals court sanctioned and fined Child Protective Services for removing a child from a family because one case worker didn’t like the family. The case worker convinced LE to go with her to remove the child without a warrant from a court. The family court didn’t question the required investigation or the fact the child was placed in the system illegally. The family had to spend funds to fight for their child and it took two years to reach the appeals court. The Texas CPS was required to pay all the court costs for the family. What could not be done was the restoration of the damage to the child during the two years she was in foster care. So far, no one has lost a job or placed in prison for breaking the law.
All across the land, “we the people” need to take action to get our government under control. The courts have generally usurped the people’s rights to fair and impartial adjudication and they need to be made accountable for these actions.
Then we have an organization like OSU that this fall will require all students to take courses in Social Justice to get their degree. The sources of Social Justice is none other than Carl Marx and Sigmund Freud. There is no such thing as social justice. It is a made up concept for the purpose of power and control.
Unbelievable. Was there a racial issue involved in that CPS case?
I don’t know what social justice is- do they mean sociology?
B
Rose
I am glad to see you have a computer. It took a lot of work to make the phone do the things you researched and posted . It too is a computer, but a limited one.
I spent part of the day documenting and configuring a new HP laptop computer. I have used Toshiba computers for years. The one I am using to type this post is seven years old-time to upgrade-not because it doesn’t work, but because the management at Toshiba has destroyed the company and it is being sold in pieces to other companies. Therefore, the level of support for Toshiba’s consumer products is likely to disappear.
wrt “Where the hell is the ALCU in this? Why weren’t they contacted? Or have they been?”
The ACLU takes on litigation. There is no case against anyone or any institution wrt kiara’s custody.
(additiinally, she’s a minor and could not retain them or any attorney).
Father has full custody and complete control.
Mother may or may not receive some limited visitation
under a Court order SHE AGREED TO.
Only mother coukd apoeal, and can’t because SHE AGREED TO THE TERMS.
Mother CHOSE not to contest and litigate the original FAPA and RO. The public’s
interest ended when the only person with standing, the only person accused
FAILED entirely to contest the FAPA-RO. Had she litigated at either juncture, then public
interest entities coukd elect to come in on any appeal SHE would file. Mother never
opted for litigating her parental rights at any juncture. ( Unlike the restaurant.)
@TRuth. I haven’t followed the case.
The A&E special did a good piece on this
and I felt demonstrated thru experts it was pretty irrefutable.
@TKG. Like any parent who signed a Stipulation prohibiting a realistic chance of visitation (I don’t know any CPS parent whose attorney woukd advise them to go that far in a Stip), of course she has a way forward to visitation, but it does NOT run thru Dr Phil, Oprah, or Blink articles. In fact the first two make her look more not less ridiculous. It’s called get a new family lawyer, or demonstrate destitution and ask one be appointed, and reopen the custody litigation on the grounds the Stip has not been fairly implemented in good faith by the Court appointed monitor and Father. The only way she was ever gojng to get visitation was through litigating. I expect she couldn’t give Bunch a big enough retainer to get him to litigation. He was the wrong choice for litigating custody in a challenging trial anyway.
rose says:
September 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/terri_horman_will_discuss_kyro.html#incart_2box
getting expectable “fame.”
I don’t buy, sorry, she’s on Dr Phillup because no one is looking for my son any more.
WAY better ways to address that.
Like walking into Reese’s office uninvited, or requesting to do so, Houze at her side. Press
conference in front of mcso after her debriefing.
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If I were TH after all that MCSO Judges the DA and the local media has done to her I would not walk into any of their offices and tell them anything. Whatever she told them would be twisted and fed to the media to make her life worse. Also i don’t think that there is anything she can tell LE that they don’t already know. Which is why LE has never requested an interview with TH and her lawyer.
Whatever her reasons are for appearing on the Phil show I hope that the show accomplishes what she wants it to. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be in TH’s position but it can’t be easy. Hopefully her appearance will help in her life situation. it’s easy to second guess what people should do but it is much more difficult when you the person at the center of the controversy and and the focus of so much vitriol.
rose says:
September 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/terri_horman_will_discuss_kyro.html#incart_2box
getting expectable “fame.”
I don’t buy, sorry, she’s on Dr Phillup because no one is looking for my son any more.
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I know that when DY was on the Phil show (Phil’s) legal analyst said that the evidence led away from Terri. So maybe this impression will be explored on Phil’s show. The big thing here is that Dr. P’s show has a way bigger audience then some of the TV shows that have covered this case in the last few years.
Maybe someone somewhere has heard a rumor or someone has bragged about fooling LE and will come forward because of Phil’s show. So yes in my opinion TH’s appearance could perhaps produce some new leads as to what happened to Kyron.(that don’t all point to her) We may not like the venue but at least it will get a lot of attention.
My opinion overall- I think Terri legitimately believes that her only option to “get her life back” is for Kyron to be located because she had nothing to do with his disappearance and feels the only way LE will ever actually re-investigate the case properly is if she calls enough attention to it. Im on the record that had I known she was considering that venue- I would have told her unless she thought an ambush would help her goals- it was a terrible idea. That said- I don’t agree that any publicity is good publicity in this case. Not for her and not for Kyron. My biggest issue from the beginning and I will be addressing thoroughly- is the lack of factual information in Kyron’s case, and of course the conflicts in information as disseminated by Kyron’s parents. So… I cant say that I blame her considering she is the one beating the drum for Kyron and honestly- she is well aware that it may not paint her in a favorable light to some. Let’s all agree this woman is well aware she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
Lastly- I do not know why some intellectually or cognitively challenged folks cannot grasp this concept (crater), but as they read here at all hours of the day and night- I will repeat myself. At no time, since June 28th 2010 has ANY law enforcement agency requested an interview of Ms. Horman. None. Nada. MCSO has been informed on at least 3 subsequent occasions I am aware of that Ms. Horman would make herself available with counsel at any time, upon request to do so… So for ANYONE to say that Ms. Horman is not talking, refuses to talk, or any permutation thereof is grossly misinformed, a nitwit, or both.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/forest_grove_man_sentenced_to.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
Pity it didn’t come with an open court confession
like Heinrich’s. I wonder if DOJ even offered a no
prosecute on other charges if he confessed to other crimes?
ot
blink has a thread on JBR
Thanks Rose, I had forgotten:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/01/28/ramseys-indicted-in-jonbenets-murder-in-1999-da-alex-hunter-refused-to-prosecute/
B
http://www.s-jt.com/web/P6b-GearingDoc.pdf
buxton and storm. de novo review.
not the Court of dr philup.
I agree with you Kewl Sept 8, 4:47 and 4:49.
Rose, I couldn’t disagree more:
rose says:
September 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm
I don’t buy, sorry, she’s on Dr Phillup because no one is looking for my son any more.
Family Court judges were often seasoned, and really The Best. I think of J George Goodrich, now deceased, in DC. Many TX family judges, the same. That was though in the day when both parties appointed or backed judges on merit: educatiin, experience, standing in community, and Judges were appointed not elected. For the last coupla decades imo both parties sold judicual appointments or backing to donors’ preferences, the judges partners or firms themselves or businessmen–developers, corporations–for donations. that’s when it all fell apart on State benches top to bottom in all areas of law. More checks and balances fir the Federal bench (but not in this Senate under McConnell). Look at Kantor’s business adjudication specialty before he moved on to Horman case.
Dateline at KGW 9:00 tonight has Jonbent
And I forgot I can A&E on my iPad
Sunday 9-11 specials
Monday Dr Phil JonBenet s brother
Lots of stuff that watch
@TKG. I have missed a lot did Terri get told she has no path to Kiara visits
At this time
social justice:
https://www.socialworkers.org/pressroom/features/issue/peace.asp
See paragraph 2, 2nd sentence, for what is also the dictionary definition.
The National Assn of Social Workers posits this dictionary def as a tenet of the profession
and it is hammered home in every MSW program, and undoubtedly on the LCSW exam Billie Bell claims she passed, undoubedly decades ago.
Blink
In response to your question about the case in Texas, there was no indication of racial issues. Sometimes CPS people are so poorly trained that they do not understand the restrictions that law places on their activities. In this case, the appeals court ordered all personnel of the CPS unit to take a court approved course of the US Constitution and the Texas Constitution along with the family law codes for Texas. I would think that the family harmed would have a great case for damages to their child.
Since I don’t believe there is such a thing as social justice and it relates to Marxism, it has no place in a college or university in the USA. Alenskie’s Rules for Radicals is one of the results of the drive for the imaginary social justice. It turns out that without background in reality, it is just what someone claiming to be a victim declares it to be as if it were truth.
I haven’t looked for courses in Sociology and their syllabus in a college catalog in a very long time. Just what is being sold as sociology by the schools at the present time is unknown to me. I do know that the K-12 schools are calling classes that at one time were history, geography and civics as social studies. As we can witness, thanks to Jessie Waters of Bill O’Reilly’s show, college students of today know little to nothing of the history or geography and the government of the country.
Rose was able to address the social justice query earlier- I have a friend who completed her MSW this year and I am very proud of her. Occupational hazard I guess, but I usually disagree with her stances when any criminality gets involved and I remind her the stats are on my side, lol.
On Sociology- I am a closet sociologist in that I am very interested in what forms a persons psyche/behavior that is not organic but via social stimulus. Years ago my idea for my final study presentation was a research project on how many criminal actions occur at a Walmart with an ensuing theory of possible causation. My professor told me it was a great concept but criminology and sociology are at odds and he would be obligated to give me an A just based on the amount of hours I would need to present at Walmart stores. OMG was he ever correct.
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Dear Blink, Why since June 28, 2010 has Terri, via Counsel I suppose, sat back and waited to be Requested by mcso to appear with Counsel? Why would you would recommend repeatedly the bios request an appointment with mcso/da to advance the knvestigation, and you say TY went to see Reese, and not expect Terri to request a meeting with Reese with Counsel present. If Terri wants her life back, if Terri wants a refocused investigation, well, Sheriff Reese has the power, and Dr Phil AND public opinion do not.
Terri is a defacto suspect and a non-bio parent of Kyrons and the former subject of a FAPA order based on O’Donell’s “mental impressions”. The obligation to investigate rests solely with MCSO and the DA as this case has been through 2 gj’s. To be clear on this point- this woman was told by multiple representatives of the aforementioned that they would “destroy her” (among other threats they made good on) if she did not tell them something that in point of fact- she could not- as she did not know. Six years later, without a public acknowledgement of so much as things that came out in open court that directly refute LE’s previous public statements (that we know of) and she should “thank you sir may I have another?” Hell to the no imo, and not my call, but if it were me, I would never, ever, meet with anyone from MCSO again- I would ONLY agree to meet with the FBI if MCSO requested to transfer the case. They have no idea wtf they are doing- and my point is her position on it is far more generous than mine would be. No matter how one looks at it- she is whacking that hive whether we like her choice of stick or not.
B
In my view, Terri openly stating she would meet with LE at their request with her attorney present is Ghandi-ish. Perhaps that analogy will “clearify” upon publication for many,
Imo Terri needed to request a meeting with Reese, Counsel present, and depart to a bank of cameras to make a prepared statement. She is having skewed stories about the interview by the likes of kgw and kyke stated she’d refused interviews. A prepared statement, no Qs, would throw a bone. As would the appearance of meeting with Reese. I respect furst-time, and contrary opinions, but whatever Dr Phil is, Terri is smart enough to know Reese and local media are the route to “finding my son.” He’s not out in the nation somewhere imo.
I don’t disagree with that in theory- but when one is starting out with an egreiously flawed investigation by unknown means- in my view- it needs an independent look first.
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@cd wrt ” it’s easy to second guess what people should do ”
That is why the parent in her position
needs to act solely on advice of counsel,
not merely criminal but one seasoned
wrt child stranger abductions.
if she doesnt want to request a mtg with Reese, the alternative is a suit to clear her name.
She needs to hire an attorney like this, associating with the local of his choice:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Lin_Wood
On this we agree and I am a fan of Mr. Wood.
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