Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: George Anthony is No Killer BUT HE IS KILLING ME Already
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder’d… Tennyson
George sees the light… Baez Light Brigade that is… and yes, I do believe that jurors will think they are all drunk for such a strategy.
Not new, not novel, not nouveau. You have read my predictions that George Anthony will willingly serve up his lily liver with fava beans and a nice chianti, for years.
Well, looks like the bus he is laying down for has left the station.
If I am being honest, ( Editor’s note: I have a few Aussie friends, and they constantly say this to preface some sort of heinous insult that you forgot by the time this passed you by) I have no earthly idea why anyone would be surprised or remotely piqued from your Cheerios over such baffoonery.
Almost 3 years later, you would think that at some point the injustice this family has shown Caylee Anthony would cease, or at least dawn on them like some sort of loosely based Lifetime *movie*of *the*week* scene finale.
Let’s face it. George is the perfect patsy in this case. Let’s review a short list:
1. He flat out lied about seeing Casey and Caylee leave on June 16th, 2008. We know this because Casey’s cell phone records tell us she did not leave the house until after 4PM. George called her at the house earlier first, and then her cell, so again, he expected her to be at the house, not “at work” as he told invetigators. Contrary to recent reports on WFTV espousing that George described exactly what Caylee was last seen wearing as the clothing found with her remains, let me clear this up, courtesy of www.blinkoncrime.com contributor Kleat, from George Anthony’s deposition by the State of Florida, in pertinent part:
[Whereupon, the document referred to was
marked for identification as Plaintiff's Exhibit
Number 9.]
BY MR. ASHTON:
Jeff Ashton: Let me show you State’s Exhibit 9 and just ask you if you recognize that photograph? [Handing]
George Anthony: [Examining] Yeah. It’s a photo of Caylee.
Jeff Ashton: Have you ever seen that photo before?
George Anthony: No. I don’t remember if I have or not. I don’t believe so. No.
Jeff Ashton: The shirt that she’s wearing in that photograph, do you recognize — from what you can see of it, do you recognize that shirt?
George Anthony: Not off — no. I don’t recognize that shirt. I don’t know if it’s a pajama or if it’s a T-shirt. I’m not really sure. I’m not — I don’t know.
Jeff Ashton: Could that be the shirt she was wearing when she left?
George Anthony: No. She wasn’t wearing this one.
Jeff Ashton: Okay. So it’s a pink shirt, but a different pink shirt?
George Anthony: Yeah. It definitely wasn’t this one right here.
Jeff Ashton: Okay. Thank you. All right.
2. He ommitted entirely 2 jobs he was working at the time of his resume and interview for Andrews International, on June 17th, 2008.
3. He has a propensity for shall we say, ladies that require service fees, and that non-existant credit card he did not have according to Cindy’s deposition, at the time of George’s deposition had a nearly $11,000 balance.
4. He purchased a handgun while Casey was on bond.
5. His attempted suicide could be construed as “guilt driven”.
To be honest there is plenty more where that came from, but I doubt the defense in this case even got this far considering they are attempting to add witnesses four months late, whose allegations were cleared by OCSO in the first place.
At the March 3rd motion hearing, where George alledged he was an agent of the State, he faced Casey from the witness stand.
Casey, full glare ahead and adorned in her her gas can red sweater with the henkel silver jacket on top, and George in his “will someone take me seriously” lavender.
He flat out testified he will even “not show up” to court if it would help his “baby”, Casey Anthony.
Jose Baez: ..”Now if I gave this hypotthetical, if I told you not showing up to court next Wednesday, and I am not telling you to not come to court, it would save your daughter’s life, would you show up to court?
George Anthony: “..If you asked me to stay away from the proceedings, if it was going to save my daughter’s life I would not be here..”
Late this afternoon, as I was prepared to ask again where in the world is George’s counsel, finally, George Anthony’s Attorney, Mark Lippman, fired back:
In the statement, Lippman said, “George Anthony had nothing to do with the death of Caylee Marie Anthony. He has been investigated, deposed, examined and cross examined by both the prosecution and the defense, and neither the defense team nor the state of Florida have maintained that he is at fault in any way.”
I will sum it up this way. George has a better shot at drinking a 5th, than pleading the 5th in the criminal trial against his daughter.
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I think if the defense goes for this strategy they will turn the jury off big-time. I also believe they are grasping at straws as it is quite obvious that they have no defense for Casey. I pray that justice for sweet baby Caylee is near.
I’m not surprised one bit. I’ve been saying George is going under the bus since day 1. George put himself under that bus when he started telling his ever changing stories/lies to LE and the media. Let’s start with June 16th……I’m positive I watched KC and Caylee leave the house together.
That’s version 1. Version 2, I opened the door to put Caylee in her car seat….version 3, version 4, you get my point.
I won’t even go to George’s many gas can stories.
Man up George and tell the truth for once in your pathetic life!
Yep.
Man up is right.
I know that I am fortunate to have an exceptional Dad, truly, but I can tell you as sure as I breathe today if I harmed his grandbabies, he would always love me, but he would never help me try to get out of it.
He would encourage me to tell the truth, and deal with whatever that meant.
By God I keep waiting for this from George.
B
Blink,
I can’t see any way that this “George did it” defense will work unless Casey takes the stand. Can you?
If that is the intention, as I have said before, she must take the stand and that will never happen.
B
Love the humor!! Great job Blink!
” I will sum it up this way. George has a better shot at drinking a 5th, than pleading the 5th in the criminal trial against his daughter.”
Blink, thank you for the piece!
vidda!!!!!!!
So nice to see you friend, many thanks.
B
Always read here, The Hinky and WS but haven’t posted here before. Did you also see the latest on OS – apparently, the Duh-fense is so scerred (yes intentionally misspelled) at the prospect of the jury hearing the FBI analyst testify about root banding and Dr Hall testifying about root growth that they have now filed motions alleging that they are unqualified to offer such testimony. Bahhaahaa – and this after they had Dr. Fairgrieve ripped apart on the stand and openly admit that even though the DT has offered him up as an expert on cadaver dogs, he has absolutely nothing in the way of training on this subject. Here’s the link to that article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-new-motions-20110329,0,2945455.story
Welcome KC in NC I know who you are, our pleasure
I did see that. With much respect, I have never seen a bigger cluster-fossil forming.
O the stuff I wish I could quote and write.
B
Blink
Great article!
All I can say is short and sweet
you rock!
Yes Blink, I agree with the “CFF” reference. As a huge proponent of the frequent dropping of the F-bomb in my everyday life, it is difficult to refrain from doing the same when commenting on this case.
Lol , with ya.
Not proud of my effs, but with ya.
B
I guess Sindy couldn’t convince him to take the fall.
The duhfense is really reaching…I wish they’d just
stop the madness…
Good article Blink
I agree that the bus has left the station but we need to remember who’s wearing the hat with the Captain insignia on it. Mr. Baez and his bug eyed back seat driver, at any time, might decide to gun the engine in reverse!
Not to mention the Anthony version of Stockholm Syndrome, cindy may feel that it’s george’s duty to at least play along..no harm in a few mistruths.
The defense is spiraling into oblivion with their lack of direction and last minute motions, motions about the motions, new witnesses, temper tantrums, their manic client, unprepared counsel (all of them) vendetta’s against the Judge, the SAO and LE etc, etc, etc. With just a little over a month until trial..bahahahaha
I love the article. Saw this coming in 2008 but many were still convinced these people were the “grieving grandparents” and gave them leeway on all the lies. What George has done is put himself in this position. The defense is not doing it – HE did it a long time ago. Each lie he told put it that much closer to him being the scapegoat like he had always been in that family.
It will never fly with a jury as they will see right through it, but I was sure it would eventually happen and ALL those lies will now come back to haunt him and Cindy both.(which can’t be too soon in my eyes)
“Lippman said, facts aside, that the defense could still use the theory that his client killed Caylee at trial.
“If there’s a reasonable scenario that could cater to how the circumstances then turned out later, certainly you present it, it’s absolutely necessary if you’re going to represent your client zealously,” Lippman said.
Lippman said he met last Friday with defense attorney Jose Baez and Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, but he cannot say what they discussed.”
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27358680/detail.html
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Reading this portion of Lippman’s comments seems to confirm the theory that Baez DOES intend to splatter george’s guts all over the road…with his loving wife and loyal atty’s blessing.
It sux to be george…get a lawyer who isn’t so kicked back about your being used as the scapegoat in a murder trial.
George, how can you sit there and say you did not know you were being recorded in the car (on the way to see Casey)? WHAT?!@@$%^ HELLO!… even I have listened to it a million times and you of all people did not? .. and then, Jose says to you, ” Sorry, I was the one to inform you”. GO FISH!
Did I miss hims saying he did not know till this hearing that he was surreptitiously recorded in the car?
I think Mr. Anthony had better google statues on perjury.
B
As always – Blink called it years ago! So everyone – sitting at your computer screens – on the count of three:
“Oh the wheels of the bus go round, round, round……”
ANd now the additional witness list grows from 2 to 6!! (even the landscape guy from the Hopespring Community??? WTH?) It’s like the Duh-fense team is on roid rage!
Blink – how does the allegedly brilliant NotPerryMason think that ANY of this is going to fly???
I think they do not have a choice. Highly limited options if one is going to pretend to practice law.
B
Please consider this your return invitation.
BYORK
Bring Your Own Road Kill
Please correct if does not post correctly.
SQUEALING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With delight.
Best,
B
13.Heidi Anderson says:
March 29, 2011 at 7:37 pm
George did say he did not consider he was being recorded in car with the detectives. My take…he figured it was a brotherhood of some sort…officers covering for officers. Why did he think he’d be the exception in a murder investigation\?
Blink, this is a great article. We shouldn’t have any high or even low expectations of George. As Dr. Phil would say, how has that line of thinking worked for you so far? As for the ‘attempted suicide’, can we call it that, really? Stealing seemeatthebeach’s catch phrase ‘man up’, George’s idea of manning up is simply looking like a pathetic wimp who will die for his daughter. He says that but I don’t believe he would take his life. No one in the Anthony family thinks so little of themselves to take a dive for each other, much less harm themselves for martyrdom.
Thanks for the early Christmas presents, Blink. The intensity of emotions and the thinking process of everyone here is indictive of anticipation and great hope. The seams are unraveling for the defense before they even have a chance to model their designs, so to speak.
Love and light, all <3
I think Mr. Anthony also better come to trial wearing some adult Depends. He is going to need them when he hears many things that will not only incriminate him of his constant acts of perjury- but will also tie him to possibly being involved in the cover-up of Caylee’s murder and his possible involvement of being an accessory to Murder.
Caylee did the killing, but George has always known the truth, and Cindy and Lee as well.
Blink is correct, the bus has already left the station, and Casey never will take the stand—so why is Baez even going to attempt to go down this route? Wasn’t Caylee kidnapped by “Zanny” the invisible Nanny? Isn’t she still alive somewhere according to Sin-dy?
This really is a waste of Florida’s Tax dollars that this trial be allowed to continue with Baez’s three ring circus going on as a side show. Let’s hope Judge Perry, the Jury and the Defense Team put a stop to it all in the very beginning.
Hold on, BabyGirl—–Justice is coming. Slowly but surely.
*ooops—- Typo—meant- CASEY DID THE KILLING in post #17
George is easy to read, isn’t he? I love it when he says… “I have no knowledge of that”… or “Yes, maybe… it could of…would of… should of”, I have no recollection of that…
The Amber Alert issue is so pathetically STUPID!@#$%^&*
Blink, I can’t wait to see LDB rip him a new one… and you know she will.
QUESTION: How many counts of perjury can one possibly be charged with over a 8-10 week trial?
As many as they commit.
I have been remiss in saying she is my girlcrush in this case, I am so quick to ID the mancrushes.
She is simply automatic. Please note I do not say this about every prosecutor whatsoever.
Not naming names, but I have reviewed a recent homicide case where a prosecution was successful, but by the skin of their bippy.
B
*Prosecution Team, Not DUHFENSE- Oh, My- quite dsylexic this evening. Sorry, Folks.
Ok… where’s the bathroom? I gotta go wizzzz after reading Ragoll comment…. hahahahah
Blink,
Why would George let his atty send out this statement, if all along George was/is willing to lay under the bus?
This doesn’t make any sense to me.
Because it is all in the positioning. He certainly cannot appear as if he a willing participant, and his lawyer better defend his interests… All In a Day.
B
I’m wiping the tears out of my eyes from laughing so hard.
Poor George, he is so beaten down first by Cindy and then Casey that he doesn’t know if he is up, down or sideways. And now he has zero representation in the courtroom.
When you live a life of lies, this is often the sad result.
Great article Blink!
This may be on the side of naughty…but, here are a few thoughts of what George may be thinking behind closed doors.
Door #1 George would rather go the jail (all expenses paid w/healthcare included).. then to go back home to live ever after with Cindy.
Door #2 If he’s lucky, he may end up in the same prison with his whole dam family beside him.
Door #3 ???????? YOU FILL IN THE BLANK.
Louisiana will be celebrating after this trial. The Anthony’s are going down. Mission will be accomplished. Houston, It will not be a problem, but, there will be an explosion of cheers for a 34 month old little angel who will get her day, so be prepared.
“I have no idea why my mommie did this to me, but Jesus,I do understand what you have planned for her,and thank you, because she does not belong in heaven with me” says Caylee.
Peace is coming!!!!!
Dearest Blink:
This is my first post, but have been reading your articles and opinions for a long time.
I have never written a letter such as this, however, my heart is heavy with the onset of the upcoming trial. Your site has many devoted supporters and I want to join hands with the rest of you as we all want justice for Caylee.
My prayer is that those “in the know” will not be able to rest until the truth of Caylee’s demise is brought to light. I hope every time they close their eyes they will see her, hear her voice, remember hugs and kisses, and never ever forget her existence. Caylee deserves justice and it’s not too late for someone to grow a conscience. By the way, wonder who is “in the know”.
Caylee walked, sang, giggled, and captured the heart of countless people just by viewing her pictures or hearing her sing “You Are My Sunshine”. Remember her words “Papa are you tired Papa”(I believe referring to her Great-Grandfather)? How sweet is it that she thought of others at such a young age. The purest of hearts with the saddest of endings.
In addition, it would be nice to hear this precious baby girl’s name mentioned more often in the midst of the legal wrangling ….her name is “Caylee”. (Not directed toward Blink or Blink Followers.) The road to justice during the trial will get uncomfortable as details are disclosed. Nevertheless, this baby girl was once very much alive her name was and is Caylee. Again, my prayer is for someone to step up and disclose what they know that could put an end to this.
This statement is my opinion as I sit here with tears for a child I never met. Please God give the potential jurors knowledge to wade through the nonsense and recognize the obvious. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE.
Lyn,
Welcome to BOC. I could not agree more strongly.
B
This ia a bit off topic, but worth a look, if you’re a Jeff Ashton fan. This video contains a couple clips of a late-20-something Jeff Ashton in the 1987 Frye hearing which first brought DNA evidence into the American courtroom. (WESH2)
http://www.wesh.com/video/27348647/detail.html
You’re on a roll this week Blink! Very funny and great article!
Oh, Ragdoll, You are always so insightful.
“The seams are unraveling for the defense before they even have a chance to model their designs, so to speak.”
You are speaking my language, Honey Girl. The Defense has had a limited range of designs (probable scenarios) and have been unable to present a substantial defense for their client. There is nothing within a reasonable doubt for them. They will lose, FAIL, big time.
George=Easy Pickin’s. Look at the photo posted with this article–how false is that? He has no excuse. He has no roots, no value system, no life-affirming belief. He is a NoWhere Man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWEPu0w-7w
Except: He *is* really different than you and me. We would love and support our family member through whatever justice they may have to experience. But we would not condone or allow any of the KC shenanigans
to exist. Call you and raise you.
Blink, i had to laugh as i red your article this morning! No one could have told it better:)
Please i don’t judge any legal system here, i am just wondering about the steps the Defense takes while prosecution seems to do a very good job. But as i see i am not the only one thinking so.
I try not to read too much about this case, because I just can’t handle it. But the photo of Casey in this article pulled me to read it; it is truly a disturbing picture. Whether she is mentally ill or just evil, in my opinion, the ongoing wrong in this case does not spring from the sicko Anthonys, but from the so-called legal team that has supported this delusional nonsense. Bad apples, and not in the best interest of the victim, the accused, the public and certainly not their own profession. Is there no failsafe in the system? When will it stop? What sort of precedent is this? What encouragement to other perpetrators?
You have touched on my biggest fears of this case. That nobody will once and for all address these issues as it relates to future crimes and/or families finding themselves in a similar situation.
It must happen, and this baby’s legacy must be restored as a result, imo.
B
I wrote this on Hinky as well
If George were going to down for his daughter ..would he had let her stay in jail for three years?
I don’t know at this point if George is really “aware” of what “going down” means.
I think based on his own testimony, he thinks that means basically having the finger pointed at him, and he clams up, and then the jury will have reasonable doubt his daughter comes home and then he is the family hero he has always wanted to be.
That’s as about as “fantasy” as one can get in this case.
B
@ Lyn (post #23)
Amen to that!
Let’s face it, either Georgie Boy was born without cajones or the passage of time in his marriage to Cindy-Loon-Who has slowly eroded and atrophied them to the point of nonexistence. I think Cindy most definitely has that effect on people.
For the life of me, I’ve never seen a family quite like the Anthony Clan. I guess they should consider themselves blessed that they are the narcissistic, sociopathic folks that they are – otherwise, one would think they would have a hard time looking themselves in the mirror each morning.
Great article yet again, Blink! I must have been living under a rock for a period of time, because I had not heard of Georgie Boy’s propensity for “females with fees.”
lol, click on the link, you can read all about for yourself, there is no doubt.
Not on a full belly though.
B
Hello Everyone,
@ Lyn, as I have sat and watched the courtroom videos I too have always wondered when they were planning on making the death of Baby Caylee the center of attention, it bothers me a lot that she isn’t.
I just had to post this. After looking at the look on George’s face as he is “crying” I wish I could post Casey “cry face” side by side. They both have the identical look on their face as they do their fake crying….can anyone put that up side by side. Casey just did her fake cry face when Cindy took the stand.
I guess my post didnt make it the other day so I will ask again.
Blink, since the tape and other items/tests are not in the list of discovery items, does that mean they are considered “work product”?
In your opinion, will we be hearing about latent prints, or any other type of prints (possibly Casey’s)? Sometime back you commented that there were prints of some kind…that talk (in the press) seems to have gone away.
Combined with the testimony about the smell of death and how distinct it is from Dr Vass is certain to sink a big ship.
The nonsense that the defense tried to use years ago was that they had the truth and that would be told on the stand…”then everyone would understand”. uh…NOPE. If they had evidence, they wouldnt let their client sit in jail while they tried to make a name for themselves. Oh…they have a name…it’s just not a good one.
If tangible and scientific reports are intended for use at trial, they are subject to discovery and ongoing discovery to the defense, yes.
B
Dearest Blink, it is with a heavy heart that we continue to await the outcome that contributed to this poor little one’s untimely demise, as a mother of 2, that are about the same age as Caylee, it saddens me to know that she just missed her first year of Kindergarten…and she’ll never know what it is to learn to read or put on a cap and gown… I wish you continued success on this case and with all the pending cases that you so diligently focus on.
Thanks for doing what you do!
Seeing George in the above picture makes me realize that he will never have closure towards this for the rest of his life. I can’t see how a healing process will ever take place.
I can’t imagine a mother that did not kill her child could sit in a courtroom and be able to compose herself while viewing all the evidence and pictures that she will see in this trial. Can’t imagine her scibbling on a tablet while the last video of her child singing “You are my Sunshine” is being shown on a screen 10 feet in front of her. This is all beyond my imagination.
I am sure that when the trial starts you will see a whole new Casey. She will be crying at every mention of Caylee. I’m sure she is being coached as i write this on how to behave in front of the jury.
Blink- Thanks for this article, Nice Work, honestly. And Thank you for the links to your previous article:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/07/cayleecasey-anthony-case-bombshell-proof-george-anthony-lied
I know that I wrote that I am always amazed by your ability to anticipate the shots fired in this case and even your ability to tell what ammunition was picked and when it was bought, loaded and cocked._ But It Is AMAZING just how intuitive and intelligent you AND your contributors are/were.
I Believe, The State is aware and prepared, and has been from early on, do in part, I think, to your blog/contributors and other such blogs.
The State is prepared for any and all “shots” (scenarios/bs ect)- They are armed with the facts, and evidence, previous statements-interviews-ect.
I went back and read your earlier piece, and each comment too. I hope you will allow me to post snippets of commentary from you and your contributors, that will illustrate just how much you all had figured out the mindset of the Anthony’s -Casey and Her defense back in August of 2009.
I hope JPerry will see the forest through the trees and realize that these “new” facts, witnesses, Doctors testimony, State of Mind testimony, accusations/excuses ect ect ect are not new and the Defense hasn’t just learned of it- but instead, has had the “gun” cocked and loaded for some time. They have had YEARS to formulate & hone their craft and Casey and or a patsy..
As I wrote earlier, we have forgotten alot- we do not have all of the evidence laid out before us- but the jury will- The truth IMO will shine as brightly as little Caylee’s voice singing “You are my Sunshine.”
Sometimes, there is no getting around the truth.
Good work Blink and all of BOC
AJMO
CONT PRT 2-In the hopes of reminding everyone- of things forgotten- snippets of comments from earlier article-
Yowza Mom 3.0, I just glimpsed at parts 2 and 3, and Wow, you did your research and backward jog through memory lane. The die-hard devotees to this case are going to owe you many thanks as I do.
Grab a coffee or adult beverage of choice and read up everyone. Surreal, really.
B
It is very comforting to realize that, as shown by you and your contributors, that the State and LE were aware of the “gun” ” ammo” ect very early on.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/07/cayleecasey-anthony-case-bombshell-proof-george-anthony-lied
Read from the bottom up- as I started on the last page of comments and went backwords in time to the first page:
Snipped-
silverspnr says:
August 15, 2009 at 11:47 am
“Forest for the trees.”
I imagine we have all heard this phrase, and know its meaning, but just in case:
When we say someone cannot see the forest for the trees, it means that they are so caught up in the small (and often meaningless) details, that they fail to see/understand the larger picture.
A known criminal defense trial tactic (when the larger picture is horrific for your client) is to bog the case down with the small details. Point to little inconsistencies and get the jury members hung up on those, so that they lose sight of the obvious truth.
Just this past week, I attended a CLE (continuing legal education) course (in one of the states of which I am an active member of the bar, we are required to take many credit hrs per year), titled Shakespeare and the Law.
It was given by a local, criminal defense attorney.
He spoke of a case where his client was charged with murdering the victim by shooting him 12 times. His client’s explanation in the privacy of the attorney’s office? “I didn’t mean to kill him. I was only trying to torture him.”
The speaker rolled his eyes, and stated the obvious. “Well, I was not going to recommend THAT be his defense.” (as you can imagine, this drew some laughter from the audience).
This lawyer did not have much to go on, so what did he do? He attacked minor details… little discrepancies in the prosecution’s case. And what was the result? GUILTY verdict. HOWEVER! And this may seem unfathomable, but his defense was not entirely inept, because SEVERAL jurors actually believed that only 7 of the shots were fired by the defendant (even though there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE that anyone else was in the house with the victim and the defendant during the duration of the crime).
It is good to examine the details of the case. The extent to which many here are pouring over the evidence and highlighting discrepancies can be very valuable.
I just wanted to add a gentle reminder that there are some things that may not add up (or appear to add up, without the benefit of input from say, an industry expert on phone record analysis), but to keep the larger picture in mind.
On another note, due to this course and the fascination with this case, –and several fascinating posts by Kleat, bluewillow #625, I decided to go back and read Macbeth, because what Shakespeare was revealing in that play was the mind of a murderer, (“To know my deed, twere best not know myself.” Macbeth), and there is a wonderful line that made me wonder not just when Casey actually murdered Caylee, but WHEN did she put Caylee’s corpse in the trunk of the Pontiac.
“Stars, hide your fires!
Let not light see my black and deep desires.”
Many of the scenes of this play take part in the darkness. There is, of course, an obvious reason that so many crimes take place in darkness–so that one’s identity and/or one’s deeds are more likely to be hidden.
Macbeth seeks also to hide his inner side, his very soul, from those around him.
Sound familiar?
I think it describes not just Casey, but the Anthony family on the whole.
I doubt we will ever know precisely when Casey murdered Caylee or precisely when she placed Caylee in garbage bags (perhaps she placed Caylee in the trunk of the Pontiac before she realized that she needed to place her in garbage bags), but I wonder if those who are intensely familiar with the phone records have taken time to analyze this. It could just be an exercise in futility, but I think it may also highlight the fact that George was lying about when he last saw his grand daughter alive.
The more I spent time just imagining what Casey may have done–and the more one looks at the call records for that time period, the more –to quote Blink–”chilling” it all becomes (if that is possible).
And this is why I believe we will see Lyons working her hardest to “humanize” Casey at trial, because Casey is so far from what we recognize as “human”. We struggle to understand her, but that may not be possible.
Lyons is sure to do her best to “humanize” Casey, and press on the jury to somehow relate to her/even sympathize with her, because she needs someone to have some compassion for Casey in order to, if not acquit her, then to remove her from the clutches of the DP.
Look for the Anthonys to be “on trial” as part of the defense. (At least Cindy, and also likely George. (Life in the Anthony household is not a pretty picture will be one theme. Another will be that the only other people who had access to Caylee/the car/the garbage bags/the duck take/the sticker/the yard/etc are Casey’s parents, who have been less than honest with LE since day 1 on many key details). westsidehudson says:
August 13, 2009 at 6:48 am
# 557-silverspnr
First off, a delightfully entertaining post. Thank you for that. I am highlighting two extraordinarily solid points:
{silverspnr-quote}And his reason for failing to alert OCSO of the tip that Caylee was dead/he body in the woods by Hidden Oaks Elementary (the only tip, by his own admission, of a DEAD Caylee)?? He says it wasn’t “credible” (even though he went to the location on 3 separate occasions to just make sure that this tip was not truly “credible”)(even though this is where her remains were located a mere 3.5 wks later)…..
Just like the bag of Caylee’s swim/hair items that Chris brought to the house, here is another fine example of the level of cooperation Cindy was providing to LE.{silverspnr-unquote}
# 572-Todd
{Todd-quote}I really can’t see how “accident” can work its way in now by the defense. The rules get to change because Baez and Casey say they can? Will they, after all other defense options are gone, they will cry out, “okay, okay, I did it…but it was an accident, and I was SCARED to say anything”.{Todd-unquote}
They can Todd, remember, the state gets to put on their show first, with the defense cross-examining witnesses. The defense can assess how things are going in terms of chipping away at evidence. If all else fails, when they are up at bat, they can switch gears and assert that the ME only had an opinion as to Manner of death (that being homicide). The cause of death was never established conclusively by any scientific means, and was determined based on the totality of circumstances. However, we can not say that we know that Caylee died from drowning or suffocation, for example. The defense has to be creative enough in opening statements not to take a particular position in terms of what precisely happened. They can use Cindy and George’s own words and behavior to demonstrate the dysfunction and normalcy of lies in the family unit. They can show both George’s and Cindy’s volatility, if they can enter any past video of them acting out. They can use the supposed “choking incident” as cause for fear. They can establish that Casey was terrified of both of her parents reaction, for that reason, and that she had already established a long term history of lying to cope. There is also a pattern of avoidance, in general, by Casey, as she was staying away from her home, and staying over other people’s apartments and houses as much as possible.
I’m not saying that all of this is necessarily what I believe , but it can be attempted. With the inconsistencies and some of the points highlighted by Blink posters, they can even assert that Cindy and George were involved in covering up the disposal or attempting to obstruct justice.
Look, weirder things have happened. Robert Durst was acquitted. He shot and then dismembered his victim . That was astonishing to me!
# 549-Maura
Thanks for the correction on the Stutz date. Confession here, I was being lazy when I posted the May date, and I didn’t search for the exact date that they reconnected. I simply wanted to illustrate that it was strange that she stayed over his house after not seeing him since 2007 and that it wasn’t necessitated by distance and travel time. I guess that it wasn’t such a strong point. If they maintained contact via text messages perhaps their relationship held the same level of “closeness” or intimacy as it had the year before. silverspnr says:
August 12, 2009 at 1:43 pm
A Pattern of Failing to Communicate (Hide) Relevant Information to LE (for the purpose of locating Caylee/determining what happened to her:
Per Jim Hoover’s ZFG civil case deposition, Cindy & George Anthony’s Pivate Investigator, Dominic Casey, believed that Caylee was alive. Until November 15, 2008, that is.
It was on this date that P.I. Dominic Casey phoned Hoover (who was voluntarily assisting the Anthonys as a body guard/personal assistant of sorts–did this guy answer that crazy ad for a “Personal Assistant”?! I mean, he sure fits the bill–bodyguard/driver/food runner/gofer/errand boy/alibi accomplice/etc) and requested him to come to Dominic’s business office for a meeting.
Inside the office, the mood was somber. Dominic told Hoover that Caylee was DEAD. Not that a somewhat less than trustworthy tipster said that Caylee was dead and so she MIGHT be dead. No. He was somehow certain that Caylee was dead. They had to go to a wooded location, just around the block from the Anthony home, to go and find her body.
The source of the tip, he would not reveal.
The two of them drove to Suburban, parked just across from the area where Caylee’s remains were ultimately discovered less than a month later. Dominic was on the phone a number of times with the tipster (or some “psychic” minion of the “tipster”, or some dupe of the “tipster”), and poked around in the woods.
**Neither P.I. Dominic Casey nor Cindy and/or George Anthony alerted OCSO/FBI of this tip by November 15, 2008 and/or up until the date that Caylee’s remains were located in the same location/vicinity (the wooded area by Hidden Oaks Elementary).
*****this gets a full 5 FISHYs award*****
Why 5 full FISHYs??
Well…
As we know, a videotape of the November 15, 2008 “search” surfaced, thanks to Hoover. This led to the interview of P.I. Casey.
Dominic Casey was questioned about where he received tips to search for Caylee. He said 99.9% came through Cindy & George via the tip line, etc. (He neglected to tell them the precise source of the .1%, the only REAL tip).
When questioned whether he turned over all tips to LE, he said, only the “credible” tips.
Who, he was asked, made the determination as to whether a tip was “credible”?
Of course. Dominic, CINDY & George.
It was pointed out to him that what he had forwarded to OCSO was actually the contrary, i.e. highly INcredible tips. (Such as,…oh.. a LIVE CAYLEE sighting at the Florida Mall (because, yeah, a kidnapper would take the kid to a well-populated, public place when all of Orlando/most of the United States was aware that she was “missing”/”kidnapped”, or alternatively, because, yeah… Caylee would somehow be able at age 3 to get there on her own–AHEM. Good thing Cindy OKed that one to be sent to OCSO. Yep. That’s a great way to spend taxpayer dollars, sending detectives on wild goose chases).
And his reason for failing to alert OCSO of the tip that Caylee was dead/he body in the woods by Hidden Oaks Elementary (the only tip, by his own admission, of a DEAD Caylee)?? He says it wasn’t “credible” (even though he went to the location on 3 separate occasions to just make sure that this tip was not truly “credible”)(even though this is where her remains were located a mere 3.5 wks later).
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45692411.PDF
Just like the bag of Caylee’s swim/hair items that Chris brought to the house, here is another fine example of the level of cooperation Cindy was providing to LE.
Tomato, Tomahhhhto… Cooperation, Obstruction….
Let’s call the whole thing off. PINK says:
August 12, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I remember listening to CA’s August 1rst interview and hearing Yuri’s complete exasperation when CA casually mentioned that someone (she wasn’t sure who) had brought over a bag of Caylee’s swim things over when they had a get-together with “the kids”. You could tell that he was flabbergasted and that it was the first time he had heard about it! This – after CA and GA had both set forth the possibility of an accident in the pool (ladder up) etc…I was very surprised that Chris hadn’t mentioned it in his interview and thought initially that mention of this had perhaps been redacted but by August 1rst, when Yuri heard it from CA, it certainly didn’t sound like he had heard about it!
This is my third (maybe fourth) post here now and I just wanted to tell you all how much I enjoy reading here! I have been following this case for a very long time now and always look forward to reading the many knowledgeable and insightful posts!
Thank you Blink.
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Maura says:
August 12, 2009 at 6:24 pm
537 Kleat
Casey didn’t call the Anthony house during the flurry of calls from 4:00 to 5:00pm.
During that first wave, she called
the Lexus dealership twice (where George was working, I understand); the first call was 34 seconds and the second was 98 seconds,
Cindy’s cell phone five times, never getting through twice, and hanging on for 2 or 3 seconds three times,
Jesse Grund twice (she couldn’t reach him the first time, and the second time she spoke to him or left a message for 75 seconds, and
Tony Lazzaro once for 98 seconds.
***
Her second wave of calls was after 6:30pm until around 7:10pm, and she called
Cindy’s cell phone for 0 and 3 seconds,
the Anthony landline for 17 seconds, and
the Anthony landline for 83 seconds.
***
She never called George’s cell phone, which may or may not be significant. westsidehudson says:
August 12, 2009 at 6:00 am
# 449- Kleat-repeating your thoughts…hmm
Weird, but Stutz’s # was programmed into Casey’s phone. I don’t know what, or if, that means something. Tony’s wasn’t. But you would think that maybe Tony’s # wasn’t programmed into the phone because she knew it by heart as he was her boyfriend. But then calling her house from jail and asking for it proved otherwise. So you’ve got me there Kleat.
She went to see Stutz on the 17th, but HOW DID SHE GET TONY’S CAR BEFORE going? It seems, by pings, that she ends up there (at Tony’s), but at the end of the day and then remains. Kleat, Blink , did she have Tony’s car on the 15th????
Did she meet someone who brought and exchanged cars? I’m so confused again.
Someone posted that Semoran & Aloma were NEAR Tony’s place. But that isn’t his respective cell tower, or is it an alternative tower?
Also, when the bathing suit was left there (at Stutz’s) was it “inadvertently” left there, like Casey brought the bag in and left it like her purse in the abandoned pontiac? Or did she ask Stutz to hold onto it? What were the circumstances? I don’t remember reading that in the interview.
# 457- silverspnr
That one comment by Baez, “innocent”, is the least of his worries in terms of the things he has said & done, and in the context of the overall picture, in my opinion LOL! Maura says:
August 12, 2009 at 8:33 am
Re: Chris and the bag of Caylee’s swimming items
In her Friday, August 1 interview with Eric Edwards and Yuri Melich, Cindy said a blond guy named Chris (but she wasn’t 100% sure of the name because she had never met him before) went to a get-together at the Anthony home about a week prior.
By the time of Cindy’s August 1 OCSO interview, there had been two gatherings at the Anthony house with a dozen or so of Casey’s old and new friends. The first was a gathering that immediately followed the first vigil for Caylee Anthony, which was held on the first Sunday after Casey’s arrest, Sunday, July 20.
The second gathering occurred in the following week. Cindy said Annie and Cory had set up the second gathering to discuss the situation further (timeline and Casey’s mood) and had invited a lot of Casey’s old and new friends. Per a text message sent to Amy from Annie Downing at 8:41am on Wednesday, July 23: “Mrs Anthony is requesting us all to meet at the house at 8pm. Please arrage your schedules accordingly. This is VERY important!”
Cindy said this “Chris” showed up at the second gathering and had a bag of swimming things that Casey took with her whenever Caylee went swimming somewhere other than the Anthony’s home pool. The bag included an orange swimsuit, a Dora the Explorer scuba-type one-piece with an inflatable vest, a comb, some hair things, and some swimmers.
Yuri Melich kept interrupting Cindy’s narrative about the get-togethers to ask her who this Chris person was and what exactly he had given Cindy in that bag.
When Cindy said that a friend at the second gathering had brought over the Dora swimming suit . . .
YM: Who brought that over?
Cindy said someone named Chris . . .
YM: That’s the friend that brought the swimsuit back?
Cindy started listing the people at the get-together . . .
YM: Who brought the swimsuit?
Cindy said she thought his name was Chris and had never met him before. Cindy mentioned the orange swimsuit and “the Dora thing” . . .
YM: And the Dora what?
Cindy described the inflatable wetsuit . . .
YM: What else did he bring?
Cindy described the swimmers and hair things . . .
YM: Is, uh, how, uh, how did Chris know about the meeting at the house? Did you reach out to him, someone . . . ?
Cindy explained about the gathering being arranged by Annie and Corey. Cindy then said the “Chris: who returned the bag claimed he had left messages for an OCSO detective but no one from OCSO had called him back.
Chris Stutz had been interviewed two days earlier on Wednesday, July 30, by Yuri Melich and did not mention a bag of swimming items. A partial summary:
Chris said he’d known Casey for about three years. Chris goes to school in Tallahassee, but his permanent residence is his parents’ house on Perez Street. He and Casey had briefly dated in the spring of 2007, and in the summer of 2007, they had hung out a lot at her house and at his house. He said he’d been to the Anthony house frequently: “I’ve been to that house a million times.”
On May 5, Cinco de Mayo, Chris came home after being out with friends and found Casey at his house, visiting with his parents. Casey and Chris decided to go out together, but Chris didn’t say where they went. [Per the text messages Casey sent to Amy on the evening of May 5, Casey and her friend Chris were at Scoops, and Casey wanted Amy to join them. In an email the next day, Casey said Chris got so drunk that Casey had to drive him home.]
On Mother’s Day, May 11, Caylee and Casey spent the day at Chris’s parents’ house. His parents were there. [He didn’t say if they swam in the pool, but they may have.]
On May 17, Casey and Caylee spent the night together with Chris at his parents’ house. Chris’s parents were away. [They may have used the pool on this day as well.]
On an evening shortly before she visited him on June 17, 18, or 19, Casey ran into Chris around town; he said it was possibly Scoops, but he wasn’t sure, and he may have been recalling the evening they went out in early May. OCSO has receipts for Tony Lazzaro on the evening of June 18 for Tijuana Flats and Chili, so this could be the night that Chris “randomly” ran into Casey out on the town.
On June 17, 18, or 19, Casey visited Chris at his parents’ house around 5:00pm and was driving Tony’s Jeep. Chris said Casey stopped over a day or so after he had “randomly” run into her in the evening [I think she visited Chris’s house on Thursday, June 19]. Chris’s mother was there using a treadmill she had recently purchased, and she helped Chris to narrow down the timeline to those three days. Casey stayed for one-to-two hours. They sat on the couch, watched TV, and talked.
Chris ran into her on July 7 at Buffalo Wild Wings. He said she was there with Sean Daly and Iassen.
She sent him a text on July 13 or 14 asking him what he was doing for his birthday.
He thought he saw her running on Chickasaw in the morning on July 14 (he incorrectly recalled the date as July 15 in his interview, and Casey’s cell pings put her at Tony’s apartment during that time).
He got a text message on July 16 saying Caylee had been missing for 31 days. Later that night, Casey tried to call him from jail around 11:30-11:45pm, and he hung up when he heard the recording asking him to accept a call from Casey. He called his parents to ask what he should do, and they told him not to accept her call. Three or four minutes after calling him the first time, she tried again, and again he refused to take the call.
On July 17, he called Crimeline to report what he knew. He finally got through, and said in his interview that he basically gave Crimeline all the information he had just given Detective Melich (“Basically this whole list”).
Detective White called Chris on July 18 to follow-up on the Crimeline tip and must have left a message because Chris said he called back an hour later and then the next day. Chris never said during his July 30 interview if he ever talked to Detective White, but I get the sense that he had never connected with Detective White.
At the end of his July 30 interview with Detective Melich, almost as an afterthought, Chris mentioned he had been to a get-together at the Anthony house “not last Sunday, but the Sunday before that,” which would be Sunday, July 20. He did not mention anything particular about that gathering, and he didn’t mention returning any of Caylee’s swimming clothes to Cindy.
When Yuri Melich interviewed Cindy on August 1, it seems to me that he was hearing about the bag of swimming items for the first time because he asked Cindy so many questions about the contents of the bag and the identity of the blond male possibly named Chris who had returned them at the second gathering. As I read the transcript of Cindy’s August 1 interview, neither Yuri Melich nor Eric Edwards knew anything about the Dora scuba suit or anything else in the bag that was returned by the male named “Chris” that Cindy had never met before. IMO, it is unlikely that two days earlier, Chris Stutz told Yuri Melich that he had returned a bag of swimming items to Cindy.
There is a “Chris Corso” in Casey’s cell contact list, but I nevertheless think it’s likely that Chris Stutz is the blond male who returned the bag of swimming items. There are consistencies between Cindy’s account and Chris Stutz’s account, but there are a few inconsistencies as well.
Cindy said the “Chris” who returned the swimming items had called OCSO but had not heard from back from them. This is a typical exaggeration, but it does square with Chris Stutz’s account of having called Crimeline and received a follow-up message from Detective White, but then never got a response to the two voicemails he left for White.
Cindy was firm that the blond male who returned the swimming things had returned the bag at the second gathering that occurred on or after Wednesday, July 23 (it was either that night per Annie’s email to Amy or within the next day or two). Chris Stutz said he went to a gathering that was clearly the first on Sunday, July 20 (“not last Sunday, but the Sunday before”). Since both gatherings had taken place by the time of Chris Stutz’s interview on July 30, I am concluding that Chris only went to the first gathering.
Chris Stutz was fairly precise about the date of the gathering he attended, so if Chris Stutz had the bag and returned it to Cindy on Sunday, July 20, it’s possible that Cindy was simply confused about the gathering (first or second) at which the swimming items were returned to her. She was off on other dates, so that is a good possibility.
Chris Stutz said he had been to the Anthony house “a million times,” especially during the summer of 2007, but Cindy said she had never met the blond male who returned the bag of swimming items. However, it’s very possible that Chris Stutz was never at the house when Cindy was there. I am recalling that this was the summer, per Debbie Bennett’s account, in which Cindy was supposed to meet Jeff Hopkins and Zachary on three or four occasions. Casey may only have invited Chris to the house when she knew Cindy wouldn’t be there and, per usual, was lying about what she was up to and the people she was hanging out with.
There is no mention of Caylee’s swimming items in his July 30 interview, but Chris was working off a list of items that he had compiled back on July 17, before any gathering, and he seemed to recall the gathering he had attended only at the end of the interview and then only mentioned it in passing – a sort of ‘oh, yeah, and I went to the Anthony house with a bunch of other people.’ So maybe Chris Stutz returned the items to Cindy on Sunday, July 20, but didn’t think it was important enough to mention to Detective Melich or maybe Chris had completely forgotten about the bag of swimming items by the time he was interviewed.
It is extremely unlikely to me that if Casey handed Chris that bag when she dropped in unexpectedly during the week of June 16 that Chris Stutz would have forgotten about it because it would have stood out in his memory as being a strange request. It is equally unlikely to me that Casey would have done so in order to frame him given that his mother was in the house when she stopped over on June 17, 18, or 19. If Casey had handed him that bag out of the blue, he probably would have asked his mother where he should store it.
An OC property records search shows that the Stutz’s property includes a covered, in-ground pool. Since Casey and Caylee spent a lot of time at the Stutz residence in the summer of 2007 and since Casey appears to have been on very good terms with Chris’s parents, it could be that the bag of Caylee’s swimming items was left at the residence with the knowledge and permission of Chris’s parents. She and Caylee were over a lot and used the pool when they visited, so the bag was kept there as a courtesy. That bag could have been there since summer 2007. Or Casey could have brought the bag with her when she visited the Stutz family with Caylee on Mother’s Day and/or a week later (May 17) when she and Caylee spent the night with Chris.
At any rate, in my opinion, that bag of swimming items was likely at the Stutz house long before Caylee disappeared and because it had been left there long before Caylee disappeared, there was nothing, in Chris Stutz’s mind, remarkable about the bag, so he had likely forgotten about it by the time he spoke to Yuri Melich on July 30.
That is a phenom account of this very compellling issue, thanks for the contribution as usual. But Maura, why is Chris Stutz the only friend Casey calls from jail twice, the night she got arrested?
B silverspnr says:
August 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Chris and the bag of Caylee’s swim items- #524/526
Cindy waits to mention to LE the fact that some male friend of Casey’s, with whom she says she has no familiarity, came to her house with a bag of her granddaughter’s belongings, including SWIM items, AFTER she has reported her grandchild as “missing”/”kidnapped”??
She doesn’t immediately call detectives to report this???
(especially considering the whole pool ladder incident/”story” that she and George say happened AFTER they last saw Caylee??)
She doesn’t know this young man.
He brings her a bag of very personal items which she knows belong to her “missing” grand-baby.
And she doesn’t IMMEDIATELY call detectives assigned to the case to report it.
WHY?
Wouldn’t you want those items inspected/tested by LE? Even if they appeared to be clean, certainly she wouldn’t know whether or not the items contained any trace evidence at that point.
Wouldn’t you want LE to go knock on this guy’s door and ask him some questions –pronto–, at the very least??
She wasn’t in “denial” (as some would excuse her on other matters) about the fact that Caylee was MISSING/”GONE” at this point. That was the entire purpose of having all these kids over. And one of them, with whom she was not familiar, brings a bag of Caylee’s personal items which she hasn’t seen since June 15th (or earlier).
And she waits DAYS to even mention it to LE.
This rates in the “FISHY” department. I’ll give it 3 “Fishy”s. (I need a symbol for “fishy” on my keyboard!) silverspnr says:
August 11, 2009 at 12:26 pm
j.g. #386 (and all others who have commented on the fact that C&G do not visit Casey in jail)
My best guess on that is that Casey has been advised/instructed to refuse their visits, but not because of what they might say/how it might look. I think thats what they may have sold to C&G to get them to comply, however to me it looks more like this is part of a defense strategy, called The Blaming Game. (If they point the finger at C and/or G, it would make sense that Casey did not wish to see them/speak to them/had had enough of “covering” for them with the nanny story, etc)
Not suggesting that this makes for good strategy. Just saying this is one way to understand why no visits have been made for all these months.
Nancy S #389
Thank you for sharing.
Long ago, I pointed out evidence of Casey’s pure rage, as exhibited in jail phone calls with Cindy. One episode is well known/played repeatedly in the media. The one I highlighted is so subtle, and yet so telling.
Casey harbors extreme rage for/toward her (controlling/manipulative/demeaning/demoralizing/critical) mother. She does her best to hide this, but she cannot help but for it to escape. This rage seethes and boils within her, as lava in a volcano. This rage for Cindy was sadly metered out on poor, little, blameless Caylee.
Why does Cindy write that Casey is “jealous” of her? What reason would a mother have to PUBLICLY (on MySpace) humiliate her daughter by accusing her of being “jealous” of the mother?? (talk about pathology)
Cindy was not just complaining that “her” Caylee was “missing” in that post. Cindy was making a point. She was saying that Caylee loves her MORE than Caylee loves Casey. Why else would Casey be “jealous” of her mother?? (50 yrs old, depressed, angry, in a loveless marriage to a man she cannot bring herself to divorce, in dire straits financially, etc).
Casey “destroyed” Caylee to hurt her mother, as much as (if not more than) she did it to free herself of obligation toward her child. (Actually, I’ll go with Shirley Plesea on this one and guess that it had more to do with expressing rage against Cindy)
westsidehudson 405
Yeah… but is Team Baez going to back off of their claim of “innocence” when they give their opening statement now? It’s out there. They’ve said it, and more than once. At least one or many of the jurors is/are certain to remember it. I’m just pointing out that stating she is “innocent” to the media is unwise defense strategy. Juries are not that unaware, or that easily fooled.
Kosmo #424
Not sure who you are referring to. I think that some of us hold the opinion that they knew on July 15th, when they picked up the car and smelled the DECOMP. silverspnr says:
August 11, 2009 at 8:57 am
Blink #382
I wouldn’t give you any guff for that, and I truly hope you are dead wrong (which is a rare thing;)
Yeah, Baez has competent assistance, but knowing how to properly lay the ground for a Motion? That is the basics (and Baez gets an EPIC FAIL on his earlier attempts). Before Lyons came on board, we can see how sloppy/poorly crafted his work was.
They may (now) know what they are doing, but… they still have to deal with the evidence. How will they get around the INCONTROVERTIBLE facts?? (not the looney-tunes family statements, interviews, deposition testimony, but rather the facts which cannot be twisted into illogical knots).
They still must deal with 31 days, no report of child “missing”, coupled with Casey’s behavior during that time period as observed by numerous, sane witnesses with no “interest” in shielding her/themselves from a LOT of highly incriminating evidence. (i.e. non-Anthony-family members)
They still have to deal with the fact that she LIED to LE the night Caylee was reported as “missing”/”kidnapped”, and has ADMITTED that she lied.
They have to deal with the fact that there is no evidence of the existence of the key players in her story. (Which were not cooked up like a Big Mac and a side of fries at the last minute! This is KEY!!She was using the names ZFG/Jeff Hopkins/Zachary for a long time. Some think that means maybe the phantom nanny existed. But the incontrovertible fact is that she does NOT exist. Casey did not have any documented contact with any such persons, and no one else can account for her incarnation of them. So if someone else is responsible for Caylee’s death, how did Casey know to start creating an alibi for that person YEARS in advance?!).
More incontrovertible facts:
Garbage bags from Anthony home.
Duck tape/fingerprints.
Heart-shaped sticker residue.
DECOMP in trunk of Pontiac.
Caylee’s post-mortem hair in trunk of Pontiac.
We could all add to the pile.
Additionally–
And this is not a minor point:
They still have to deal with their client. No matter how chummy they may appear in court with her, you have to know she is frustrating them. How would one go about advising Casey Marie Anthony without running into the brick wall that is her entirely absent conscience?
And I believe I mentioned this earlier, but you can bet the farm that during trial, there will be all kinds of professionals (lawyers/psych/forensic/etc) on TV news/entertainment shows (from CNN to ABC to NG to JVM, etc) that will be suggesting the State’s case is weak, or that the defense is scoring lots of points, blahblahblahhhhhhblahhhhhhh.
(Here is a hint: NEVER hire any of the talking-head lawyers you see on these shows if you are ever in need of advice/counsel (unless you are mainly interested in selling your story/getting media attention. Then, by all means, go for it). However, if you want the best possible representation, find someone whose name is not synonymous with media attention, who comes highly recommended, and who has zero interest in the spot light. Top lawyers don’t seek to be famous on that level. They take pride in hard work, and the reputation it earns them among other members of the bar/the courts. Do you remember the name of the attorney who represented Oliver North in the Iran-Contra hearings?? “Sir, I am not a potted plant.” Most people? Probably not off the top of their head, despite the fact that this man was on every single TV station, all day, day in and day out, sitting right beside North during the hearings, constantly advising him before he answered questions. Constantly!)
(pssst.. it was Brendan Sullivan. And I bet people are unaware of his excellent work in numerous other high profile cases as well. Check him out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Sullivan)
Gotta catch up on other posts, but had to respond to that one, Blink;)
Cont PRT 4-
August 11, 2009 at 10:06 am
It is on Ricardo Morales’s interview where he says July 1st she was washing clothes at his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ0ngVWEzs8&feature=related
at 3:25 minutes in. westsidehudson says:
August 11, 2009 at 6:08 am
# 366-silverspnr
I think that they are going to do as you say, try to prove the body wasn’t there, and/or that a volunteer may have had something to do with Caylee’s death. also, if I recall correctly, didn’t either Kronk or Hoover pass a note to one of the volunteer stations about where to look for the remains?? I’m thinking that it was Hoover, because I vaguely recall the man saying that he would get into trouble by passing along the info. Someone please correct me…
Also, the defense is making a second stab at getting Tim Miller and his records as TES established a satelite office somewhere in FL subsequent to the search for Caylee. This may be a new and improved argument to get the records from a group that IS operating in the state.
Hoover, and he came to the command center personally. It doesn’t matter. The crime scene or remains field, tells the story irrefutably, imo.
B #
westsidehudson says:
August 11, 2009 at 6:42 am
The defense is, of course going to try to toss out reasonable doubt. However, they have lost reasonable doubt in regard to the Zenaida Gonzales. The state has proven that she doesn’t exist. NO PAPER TRAIL, NO EYEWITNESSES: NOTHING.
So then, they will have to address all the statements signed by Casey and passed on to other witnesses that verbally point to the nanny.
How do they establish that Casey that Casey was talking “in code”?
1) Put Casey on the stand to explain why she wasn’t directly telling officers who was involved….Not going to happen, we all know that!
2) Put Cindy, George or Lee on the stand to establish a pattern of truth wrapped in falsehoods by Casey in the past….Tricky one, particularly since their statements have been inconsistent and they have come across as volatile themselves. They will likely be seen as untrustworthy and unlikeable themselves.
3) Put an expert witness on the stand who can explain how a person with a “compulsive lying disorder” would continue to make up stories at their own peril, even though they are innocent, because they are only comfortable lying….In my opinion the best chance that they have because then they can clear the slate, saying the Nanny issue was a lie, and point fingers anywhere. The success of this is still questionable. The state can then get their own expert witness on to describe Casey as a “pathological liar” who made false statements to further her agenda.
4) Use # 3, but then demonstrate that the cause of death could actually have been an accident and Casey was not capable of telling the truth about it.
5) Put a PI on the stand that has dug up dirt on any one of the ‘usual suspects’ to elude to some kind of problematic association, then put that person on the stand to try to make them sweat, look uncomfortable, or “guilty” of something, so that jurors will distrust this person. They will try to ‘make hay’ over Jesse’s attachment to Casey and Caylee and try to establish that he has anger management issues.
And of course, since not all evidence and interviews have been released to us, there could be any number of others that they will target.
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westsidehudson says:
August 11, 2009 at 6:45 am
On # 5 , I meant to add that the reason Casey spoke in code was that she feared the larger group of conspiracy. j.g. says:
August 10, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Silver, a few things about George that I have questioned. One red flag on George came from his own son’s mouth. I’m not going back to watch the secret video taping in Tony’s car, but in answer to one of Tony’s questions about Casey…..seem’s like its after Lee went in Subway to the bathroom….remember Tony got a quick phone call (evidently from LE directing him to question Lee about something). It’s worth rewatching, I have watched it several times. Lee, in his long round about way describing his sister’s lying/stealing/psyche…states that Casey & George are just alike.
We have heard bits & pieces referenced to George & Casey having a long history of not getting along; references made by many even childhood close friends. Yet, I don’t recall reading one incident where specifics are mentioned in their many flare ups. It’s alluded to and passed over. The fact that HE admits his leaving home right after Caylee was born…the Caylee situation was involved in that per George (along with the internet/money blowing). But, it is never pinned down.
Cindy’s so over the marriage she even see’s the lawyer for a divorce. You do not turn love off and on like a water faucet. She was over the marriage..looking at the big 50 fast approaching & then she HAS to let him back in the door. Another big statement made by George was when the FBI was letting him ramble on. (Bet Cindy loved hearing him state he had lied to her about internet gambling…it was really a Nigerian money scam). But, the big Wham Bam he lets out, is he got the 60K settlement and kept the 40k, giving her 20K…he states to the effect in hindsight he should have given her more…that was an indicator to me that there had been “bad feelings” on Cindy’s part for that.
Now, go back to Hoover’s depositon, which, btw, I liked this guy; he indicates hanky panky going on with D. Casey and Cindy. Me, I think the way Conway rubs her arm as she lies is creepy..but….
We’ve seen some of George’s anger. IE: He waves baseball bats, tells M&M off in the depo,ect.
Ok, I’m getting like Cindy rambling on and on…get to the point. I think George is the ticking timebomb everyone is overlooking here. First off a man who is a former LE doesn’t write a (ever how many paged) suicide note, buy a coupla six packs, take along a couple of pill bottles, text everyone, park right where his car can be seen and order pizza to kill himself.
George is a piece of the “puzzle” I still haven’t found the right spot for. So, I am reading your words carefully. But, any marriage would be strained after the dynamics of this case. In my opinion, the Anthony marriage was over long ago…yet the act is going on. And in my opinion the bomb ticks on…
j.g.-
George would like the world to see him as “just George”/your ordinary, run-of-the-mill, American man/husband/father/grandfather, harmless, even oppressed.
And it’s easy to fall into that trap with him (because Cindy makes it easy). However, the more you look closely at him, the more you see that he is not this “nice”, honest guy, and the more you see him as another piece of the sad, sick Anthony family portrait. Lies and scams, blame and shame, jealousy and betrayal abound.
Maura says:
August 9, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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Cindy’s co-worker, Debbie Bennett, said Cindy told her about the pool ladder incident when it happened during the week of June 16. Debbie said Cindy also told her when George called Gentiva on the morning of June 24 to say the shed had been broken into. Debbie told OCSO that the pool ladder incident had happened a couple of days before the shed break-in.
So unless this conspiracy includes coaching Debbie Bennett to lie for Cindy, the pool ladder incident happened 3-4 weeks before Casey’s arrest, and long before Jose Baez showed up.
I say maybe Debbie has a few inconsistencies in her story, but maybe then we rely on Mark Fuhrman, who maintains the A’s are adamant about the 17th.
B silverspnr says:
August 9, 2009 at 7:19 pm
The Pool Ladder Incident:
A) Either it actually, truthfully occurred (which is a possibility);
OR
B) It is a fabricated event.
If, as Maura points out, Cindy’s co-worker accurately recalls Cindy mentioning it back in mid-late JUNE, 2008:
A)Someone left the ladder up against House Rules (which existed to protect Caylee), and it concerned Cindy so much that she mentioned it at work (only a day after she last saw Caylee, which means she was already very concerned that something bad had happened to Caylee) (THINK ABOUT THAT)
OR
B)Someone (Cindy) had a reason (already) to set up an “alibi” of sorts (regarding the CAUSE of Caylee’s demise).
This is not your typical dysfunctional family.
Remember- Casey was committing serious and sophisticated (for her educational back round) financial crimes. (She used a routing number on a check. This is not something an ordinary young person would even contemplate, let alone some very highly educated adults with many more years under their belts).
Please do not overlook this fact. She was a seasoned criminal by June, 2008. Her main “accomplice” in her criminal activities was Cindy (who not only failed to expose it, but who also EXCUSED it).
Either:
A) Cindy did not understand how far out-of-control Casey was as of June, 2008;
OR
B) Cindy is covering for Cindy as well as for Casey
I’m not saying one way or the other.
Just putting it out there.
silverspnr says:
August 9, 2009 at 10:22 am
Kleat-#167
In my post, I was highlighting George’s version of the July 15, 2008 timeline (taken from his July 24, 2008 interview with detectives), to emphasize that he told 3 different versions of how he says he learned that Caylee was “missing” from Cindy on the evening of July 15th. (Was she ON THE PHONE WITH 911, per the actual 911 recording?? Was she IN THE GARAGE–with the stinking car–crying when she told him, per his written statement on that same night?? Was she out of the house and on the driveway, pacing, saying “we lost her, we lost her”, to which George said, “Who?”, as per his July 24th interview with detectives??)
And yep. Lee’s got a different timeline/version for the calls, etc on July 15th.
And yep, you got it. George wants LE to think this was just another normal, routine day. He’s just simple-little-George, working security at the local mall movie theater. Tra-la-la. No MAJOR FAMILY CRISIS going on. “Nothin’ to see here, ya looky-loos!” I was just being a good, concerned husband, sending his son to check on his wife (as if C & G were not already suspicious before July 15th, and then convinced that something horrific had happened to Caylee as soon as they smelled the Pontiac at Johnson’s).
JWG-#186
Do you know what TRUTHFUL people say when asked the last time they saw their “missing”/”kidnapped” child/grandchild if they are unsure of the precise time?
They say that they believe the last time they saw the child/grandchild was X, but that is based on normal routine. They can’t totally be sure, for whatever reason (in this case, a truthful person would be able to explain his lack of certainty due to the fact that so much time has passed).
Most people cannot be certain down to the minute–as George is in his account. They think that’s when it was, but they cannot be certain (unless some major event coincided or they keep a detailed, daily journal about such minutia).
What did George say about last seeing Caylee at 10 minutes to 1pm on June 9th, 2008 (later changed to June 16th, 2008)??
He said he knew it “FOR A DOGGONE FACT”.
He didn’t even get the DATE right the first time, so how is it at all credible that he knows, “for a doggone fact” the precise time? We can see that Casey never had a regular/normal routine, as do those who work outside the home and have to be at the office by a certain time on a regular basis. (I’ll bet the REAL event planners who work at Universal can’t just show up whenever it suits them from day to day).
The Anthonys want the world to think that things were NORMAL in that house (insane asylum) and in that family (personality-disorder central). Here we ae only seeing how bizarre things truly were on June 15th/June 16th and on July 15th, not to mention Cindy being alone/depressed/suicidal on June 8th, 2008–her 50th b-day! (other than Lee stopping by for a few minutes to see her)
They were able to perpetuate this total myth to the outside world for a long time. But when you peek under their collective covers, you see that the place is crawling crazy with bed bugs.
They had a daughter who was obviously pretending to have a job for years, and they PERMITTED this to continue, all the while, she is stealing from them, and her crimes are ESCALATING (targeting not just the nuclear family, but now the extended family, grandmother’s check, and now her ailing, institutionalized grandfather).
They lie so much, because it is a WAY OF LIFE for them.
George was lying about the last time he saw Caylee alive, and he was lying about not knowing she was “missing” until he got to Hopespring (rushed to Hopespring) on July 15th. JWG says:
August 9, 2009 at 11:11 am
Adding strength to the notion that KC did not leave the home until ~4:15 PM on the 16th of June are two other critical pieces of information.
1) The EnCase computer timeline for the HP desktop computer shows heavy use 7-9AM (which we know consists of the IMing described above), 10AM-12PM (which we know includes the upload to Photobucket of the Fusian picture)and 2-3PM (after George leaves for work). There is also usage from 11PM to 12AM.
There are two accounts on the home computer:
* “casey” which is ironically used by George and Cindy (not KC) and is not password protected.
** “owner” which is used by KC and is password protected. The chat log for the morning IMs were recovered from the “owner” account, not the “casey” account.
Internet history for the “casey” account was included in the forensic data file last year, but not for the “owner” account. The internet history files for the user “casey” on the desktop only show activity from 11PM to 12AM on the 16th, and not earlier, indicating that George was on the computer in the evening, but not during the rest of the day. Therefore, the activity seen by EnCase had to be KC activity and no one else.
2) Phone records were released in April for George, Cindy, and the Anthony home (as well as a half a dozen others). Recall from KC’s cell records that George called her cell only twice: June 16 at 3:04 PM and July 8 at 9:05 AM.
The call on the 16th was short – 26 seconds – but it was rare enough for KC to allow it to interrupt her call with Jesse.
Why do I bring this up? A call to KC’s cell phone does not prove that George knew she was home.
Because checking both George’s phone records and the Anthony home phone we see he placed a call to the home phone one minute before he called KC’s cell. In other words, George expected KC to be home and to pick up the phone. There was something he needed to speak with her about briefly, and when she did not pick up he immediately called her cell.
HILIGHTING ABOVE POST: For those of you who are not familiar with JWG’s work- He is one of the few people that I would trust to fully prove or disprove any theory I would ever put out. You see it folks.
JWG: Thank you for your contributions to this case as well as others.
B
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So much more to be found and remembered- the jury will have the benefit of all the evidence being laid out and explained to them by the State-
read more of what we all may have forgotten at:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/07/cayleecasey-anthony-case-bombshell-proof-george-anthony-lied
Casey Anthony faces the death penalty for the murder of her daughter- I think the State knows what they are doing and we have been playing catch up..
Good Job again Blink-and all
Hi Everyone! I see you’re all hard at work. This is another super article; my thanks to the Author. I think Casey looks like little Cindy in the above picture. After reading this case for a long time, I think it was inevitable that Casey would kill sweet Caylee sooner or later. You can’t drug a child and put her in a smoldering vehicle over and over again and get away with it. She played Russian roulette with this baby. Casey could fess up and tell the truth, but the truth will condemn her. I think the sweet little girl died from a deliberate accident that was bound to happen. severe neglect. George and Cindy made a choice long ago to look the other way where Casey was concerned. We all know the result now.
They knew she was a pathological liar for a long time, and they didn’t get her help. They never once checked on Casey at work or met her co-workers. They never met or picked Caylee up from the sitters. They weren’t even a little curious about the woman that Caylee spent so much time with that she was called Nanny. They just trusted that everything was fine, knowing who and what Casey was. I have children and grand children. I know where they all work, and I’ve met their co-workers. I have met all of my grandchildren’s full time babysitters, and I know the occasional ones too.
I think this whole family washed their hands of this baby long before she was gone. They just didn’t want to deal with Casey anymore, and Caylee paid the price for their choice. They can cry and lie all day, but they can’t stop the train now. Thanks for hearing me. Peace to you all!
In this video from WFTV Cindy says she is going through Casey’s journals & diaries trying to “piece” together clues? The journal in evidence had pages missing – Did Cindy remove & destroy pages from that journal? Do OCSO & SAO know about this interview with Cindy?
7/21/28: Grandmother Says She May Be Able To Piece Together Clues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fld9Q0PgCss&feature=related
My statement was just my opinion mixed with common sense.
LOL
B
Let’s not forget… the DF will be sitting off to the side so no one can peek over his clients shoulder and de code what is written down.
Ever since HJP granted their wish… I’m a little leery. I’m starting to think the DF will most likely have a ton of electronic equipment (for the sole purpose of communicating with their legal team(s) teams outside of the court room and most probable — track public opinion of how popular he is to the public in handling this case ( as Jose is without a doubt a betting man that Casey is gonna walk). NOT! Oh yea, almost forgot Casey will need her own monitor so she can stare at herself during the parts, she finds boring…
Blink, thank you for allowing me to bring over everyone’s hard work from the previous thread- Believe it or not I didn’t post all of the pertinent info/posts- I wanted to, as I am truly amazed by it, but I figured what I posted was enough to entice anyone who wants to see the truth or “the forest for the trees” will go back and read. I highly suggest everyone go back and read the thread…..
August 9, 2009 at 11:16 pm- back thru
August 7, 2009 -these are more of the posts that I didn’t post! All are very informative and contain links to refresh everyones memories and IMO are spot on!
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Blink, It is mind blowing really how much you and your contributors figured out so long ago- I read it way back then- but wow- reading it now- is just surreal- it really is!
In hindsight, You guys were putting two and two together quite nicely- and you did it with more than just speculation… you were using the doc dumps and cell records, interviews, statements, inconsistencies, media releases ect— you were able to figure out a great deal-
Imagine how much info/evidence has come out since that time- and keep in mind the whole while, the State was privy to it all -
You guys did sooo much with the little info you had at the time- you were able to paint a pretty vivid/ picture…. and that is only one article/one thread!
Can you imagine what the Prosecution ‘s entire picture puzzle looks like, and how complete it is 3 years down the line?
Casey and her Defense and those on “Casey’s side” may think they are pulling the wool over The State’s eyes but I DO NOT. If you the evidence spoke so loudly then, & you all didn’t fall for the ploys then, what makes anyone think that 12 reasonable people will fall for the ploys at trial now, given that The Prosecution as so much more now in their arsenal?
39 days to go