Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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deepest sympathy to Mr JVM in his loss.
I was glad to know about the many uses
of such ribbons other than family loss tho.
@ATG, in PPS, the culture is top down, like mcso.
Remember the principal who assaulted her
domestic partner on a principals’ campout?
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nice that TMH met his mother and
he had warmth for her.
@evie. next thing you know the psychos
will be blaming Terri 4 her death.
@evie. thank you for citing a katu reporter who asked Qs in 2/11 about personnel assigned, budget, & asked a pol who planned to run for DA soon ifhe was on the right track. Readers here, ie me, were confident in those years your lucid self & some other locals like MockingbirdSings were tireless advocates with Commissioners and MCSO.
In 2/11 iirc the Task Force was still on and the personnel expectable. DA still had the GJ going, so what else would Rod say?
It was Walls who was both a HS football & rec coach, so one wondered in football season how he had the time for mcso.
He was there 18 mos later in 11/12 claiming “new investigatory avenues”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html
Interestingly I see in 2009 after several yrs as Sgt head of a 6 person mcso SIU targeting drugs, Cogen disbanded it on budget grounds saying it made no sense to have an siudrug task force in areas which also had PDs. Maybe Cogen just didn’t want to be staked out on his buys. Anyway, that left Walls free for Kyron’s task force as a part-time Sgt.!
ot a bit curious. despite a masters in political journalism, Kissee now does PR for a hospital in Boise.
After 7 yrs at katu, she did a show for a public station in WA, then on to ID. https://idahobusinessreview.com/2016/08/12/anita-kissee-is-public-relations-manager-for-st-lukes/
has a twitter & a toddler, so perhaps followed a spouse?
I agree about the two cultures Rose. The sad thing is that there is a school board that is supposed to monitor the activities of the District. The board is made up of citizens elected for that purpose. They are not doing their job.
The same can be said for MCSO where their is an elected commission for the county. They control the funding for MCSO, but they let the Sheriff walk all over them.
I am glad the Evie is one local that is doing some very good research that exposes some of the bad decisions and lack of trained personnel. A whole lot more people are needed if these two situations are to be corrected. A public that does not pay attention and take action allow these situations to exist.
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one can see why Walls is devoted to HS football.
http://duckotherside.blogspot.com/2011/09/in-shadows-of-greatness-part-ii.html?m=1
his son, diagnosed in 2004, died in May 2009.
One can see how he’d get emotionally involved with Kaine’s loss
in the same season only a year later.
As someone with a family member lost due to childhood cancer (ewings sarcoma) I can tell you it changes every dynamic of every area of your (and parents) life. What bravery and valor in the face of it- I have learned so much from them.
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Like Blink says, “Unreal.” Something similar has always bothered me wrt family courts giving custody or unsupervised visitation to fathers who abuse mothers. I think someone who can abuse anyone is capable of abusing anyone else. To me that’s a no brainer. We need a #KidsToo movement.
Rose says:
January 18, 2018 at 4:55 pm
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https://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/384152-272725-violence-claims-didnt-cause-teacher-oshea-to-lose-license
Goodness knows what lurked in the past of Skyline staffers
or other pps employees who did business in the bldg.
Unreal.
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Amen.
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Impressive TRuth! Wow, that looks like it could be the guy to me as well.
Evie, So great to read your input. You’re probably always here, we just don’t know it.
Iirc, Evie (months ago) also confirmed that a member of the DA’s office removed their kids from skyline the year after Kyron’s disappearance.
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ATG
This is a major problem across out nation’s schools. The only way out is to begin to limit new hires contracts to one school year for a period of years.
that’s exactly what PPS does. Porter was on year yo year probation for 3 years. Her principal vouched for her. The problem is at the Principal & Admin level. See once again Ray Myrtle’s Harvard Bus School case study about an effective principal.
@Rose says:
January 20, 2018 at 2:41 pm
LOL, you took the words right out of my mouth. I’m sure they will.
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I was hoping it wasn’t one of the Moulton’s who had passed, but I just found it weird that the black remembrance ribbon was there along side of what looks like a marriage announcement. Do women give men engagement rings these days? That’s why I thought they had perhaps tied the knot, because they are both ringed up.
Thanks Evie for the FB info. I remember watching that board meeting back then. Hard to believe it was 7 years ago. IIRC, the timing and the FBI were called back in the month prior, January 2011. And I remember thinking this must have had something to do with DAD, that perhaps they were brought back in to profile and investigate David Durham to determine whether or not there may have been some sort of connection to Kyron’s case. The Sauvie Island search grid and DAD’s case are still too much of a coincidence for me, to not have been at least investigated by LE for a connection. I would be surprised (although nothing in this case surprises me anymore) if it was not investigated as a possibility.
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@Blink, absolutely, why didn’t the board ask them whether or not the case would be better off passed on the FBI, since there was admission that there was inexperience in such matters. And why in the world have this child’s parents not done the same dang thing!! Grrrrr.
O/T
http://eugenedailynews.com/lcfaces/michael-david-schmidt/
From the above, it looks like he was in violation of parole and served time in 2014 for that as well.
This wouldn’t come up without using the cache.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AO5k4Jt5XQ4J:www.themostwanted.net/Indiana/Allen/View/834212+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1
Finally found it, ^^ his weight and height fit the description as well. This is apparently a wanted poster from Allen, Indiana.
Makes me wonder if in fact they were looking for this SO *because* of the Delphi case and used his mug as the sketch. I tried to find info on his original 1997 crime or the apparent 2011 shooting he was involved in and am striking out.
I guess that would be Allen County Indiana, no city named Allen.
T.Ruth thank you for finding the info on MDS as to physical description. I have been looking. The Allen County info states he has blue eyes. The info for Delphi guy says not blue eyes.
Agreed. The only thing I will say is I have seen those corrections profiles or mugshot sites get eye color wrong ( as well as other things).
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T. Ruth says:
January 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm
Blink thinks fear, grief;
I less charitably think pecuniary interest and
community social standing are dominant.
Well, one knew discussing Terri’s attractiveness and happiness here would cause the FB Psycho to go off again, but her FB entries are paired with gofundme money-raising (not too successfully imo). Not that one can believe anything she crafts, but if so it’s another dumb bunny who believes her, and leaves us to guess who is the stalking NASTY man in the story? Someone with access to dmv info say, an mcso employee, another police dept’s employee, someone with access thru Mult Court due to child support pymts, etc?
I have been here a long time but as you all know, I’m local and I lurk, but not enough to be as informed as you all. Not nearly as intelligent either. The minds on here are astounding.
I obviously don’t lurk enough. Walls is local to me. I know where he lives. Literally walk the dog on his street. Sad is an understatement for when his son died. I had no idea he was an investigator on this case. I sure don’t lurk enough. UGH. Interesting that I didn’t know he was involved in the Kyron case.
What I actually came on here to post is that there is a missing 14 year old boy from a suburban high school. Went missing on Friday. It is on the local FB pages but nothing on the news or any other local information.
It is weird to me. There is also a missing adult, odd story but same. Only information is FB and the passing along of information through FB. When did these scary situations become not news? The adult is in his 30′s and a National Guardsman that the family says has no reason to be missing. The boy is a 14 year old freshman at West Linn High School.
I pray both are found, I can not imagine being family of a missing person.
Tiny- we so appreciate you as an advocate and a local, thank you.
Is this a situation where they suspect the child is with the adult willingly maybe?
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If year to year contracts for new hires at the teacher level can be affected by administration personnel, then perhaps it is time to contract limit all school personnel from the Superintendent down to the lowest maintenance worker.
One other thing that would likely help is to remove the unions from schools and other public entities. Union stewards have far too much power regarding protecting their members and setting work rules.
O/T
I watched Megan Kelly the other day and she was interviewing the police officer in charge of the Delphi case as well as the family members of the two slain children. What got my attention was the police officer said “Don’t concentrate on the face in the sketch, but look at the body image of the man in the photo, the clothes, someone knows who that is.” So it further makes me wonder how they came up with that sketch in the first place. He also stated that there were no witnesses who also saw this man, which was contrary to what I’d heard before.
It hasn’t been revealed how the girls were killed, but has anyone heard LE say they have DNA of the perp? Is that how they came up with the sketch? IDK
After listening to the voice many times, maybe it’s just the way I hear things, but the way he says “down the hill”, doesn’t sound to me like he was giving orders. Sounds more like he was answering a question. Like maybe he told the girls there was a hurt puppy somewhere, and the girls asked where? Those poor girls were doing everything right, buddy-system, photo, recording. Makes me wonder if there was more than one perp involved. I hope they find the bastard(s) that did this!!
Sorry to keep putting this on Kyron’s thread.
o/t: How I wish I could add something to that case. Someone has made a conscious decision to withhold information re the crimes (classic LE training) vs using it to produce leads. I can only say that I have seen that be an error in every case that decision is made because it assumes an offender will be tied to the crime via confession (has details only the offender would know) and in my view that is highly unlikely. It is my understanding their is DNA, and we don’t know at what point Libby’s phone stopped recording. Agreed that info there was no witness outside of the images on the phone ( I said at the time I was suspect they were using that statement investigatively.) Body language and movement can be much more familiar to people that know this man because he could be intentionally wearing clothing to change his appearance and that can influence possible witnesses- especially when one considers that in general, people never want to believe someone they know personally could be involved in something so evil and horrific.
On the “down the hill” I do believe it is a command, and that there is more on the recording to confirm that- I also believe he had a weapon (possibly in that bag thingy). It is not so easy to contain the fight or flight responses of two girls that age, and for me it adds to the prospect that this guy is local, knew the area very well, and was able to conceal his brutal attack and murder of these girls while he was committing it- I do not believe it was done in the open in a wooded area with no leaves on the trees.
Sidenote: it is critically important that we take the time to teach our kids to run and scream no matter what if an offender is trying to remove them from a location. They are planning to kill them anyway, and it is (at that point) the best chance they have at survival. I have no doubt these girls died together because the offender threatened the other and they would not leave each other. God Bless them, and God please help find this evil freak.
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OT
In Totenberg’s interview of RBG at Sundance
yesterday on CSPAN, she asked her favorite
recent movie. RBG replied “3 Billboards.” It
may drag me into a moviehouse. The subject
matter might interest some here.
TOTALLY AGREE!
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ot It took me awhile to find that whole RBG
interview for re-watching. It is here, but
junk is on the screen until 0:33:35 when it starts.
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/22/579595727/justice-ginsburg-shares-her-own-metoo-story-and-says-it-s-about-time
Comments about Scalia, of course, and an anecdote about J Learned Hand.
PPB Chief Outlaw had some comments at her swearing in at the Hx Museum; she threw
in the country’s past where police could be bribed to overlook public officials’ infractions.
Said one has yo remember tge past while moving forward. I like her. She also commented
male chiefs around the country are not questioned about their having a Deputy Chief.
A way of saying LE in the County (& press who publishes their line)
remain misogenistic cultures relative to other areas of US.
And imo it was that culture of misogeny in mcso that targeted Terri rather than work on finding the unknown male who abducted Kyron. They were so sure an unknown sexual male predator would not target Kyron without her direction.
FWIW
Mastin is no longer teaching math. He’s teaching an elective: Family & Consumer Science. If you go to the school’s FB page, it shows the class learning cross stitching. Is FCS the new Home Ec?
https://eisenhower.aps.edu/teachers-and-staff
My guess, he’s probably getting close to retiring. Was he Kyron’s special math class teacher?
@TRuth. He was teaching that course
at least a year ago if not more.
@Tiny. I always remember you as pithy & wise. Iirc Walls was in charge of the Task Force from the time it was constituted for about 18 mos, at least thru his Nov 2012 statement about new investigatory avenues which reveals his (in)competence bcz iirc that “new” was DDS and her prospective interview w/poly.
The real story the press should have been all over is how he got the TF gig which was Cogan had dissolved his several year mcso siu drug team which freed him up to take on another 6 or so member team.
Now if you want a product of a misogenistic culture to continue the fight against TH, you just find the one man on staff immersed in football teams growing up, in college, and in the community as an adult with both HS football and rec. Now his wife was on the rec board, too, but these were imo all male, testosterone-fueled environments. MCSO needs some good female investigators and detectives. Have you seen any? The gals seem to get communications, community volunteering, some aspects of corrections. Heck, they don’t even have Business anymore.
And what a cast. I had heard “based on a true story.” This is the closest I could find. Now I will wonder about the real story of those billboards.
snip>
McDonagh was inspired to write Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri after seeing billboards about an unsolved crime while traveling “somewhere down in the Georgia, Florida, Alabama corner”.[6] Of the event that inspired the film, McDonagh stated “the rage that put a bunch of billboards like that up was palpable and stayed with me”.[7] Eventually he was inspired to create a fictional scenario around such a situation, noting, “Once I decided, in my head, that it was a mother, everything fell into place.”[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billboards_Outside_Ebbing,_Missouri
Rose says:
January 23, 2018 at 11:06 am
Thank you erose- it is important to point out the facts re the story (based in part on a real case). I have not seen the film yet (insert yearn for all things leisure these days) but I know the “role” of Francis McDormand intimately. The resilience of Mothers I have worked with in similar situations stays with me- it is beyond powerful and humbling. Of course I pray with thanks that God willing I never know that particular horror, but above all else their bravery and resolve must be divine in some way. I tell the story about them because I know that the one we lost to her pain wants me to.
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@Tiny. I was trying to recall the other day which local explained DAD to us as a gentle soul. Your post prodded me it was perhaps you? When first it was said his paranoia related to muscle pain meds (shoulder?), I was naive. Niw that there’s an opiod crisis, likely those “pain meds” were overprescribed opiods. And, then, marijuana can cause psychotic paranoia in some, and what better medical use than intractable muscular pain? So perhaps he used that too as so many in Portland did for “medical” use. In combo, a recipe for disaster, but that didn’t make him a school predator.
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@Blink, I remember Fanno Creek & the other possible near-schools afters. I’m wondering about 2007-2009 attempts in an organized way at child-saturated settings, ie Fairs, sports events, car shows and other expos, etc. He probably didn’t start with Kyron, & earlier failures could’ve prompted the overplanning and a guaranteed child-saturated setting choice. Whoever it was chose Skyline because it was not PPB territory, but mcso’s. Knowledgeable local about LE jurisdictional weaknesses. .
Incredibly prudent to want to analyze that- the problem being that there are no overt ties to Kyron’s case to build from that I am aware of.
Sadly, I don’t believe we will ever know if “it was not PPB territory, but mcso’s. Knowledgeable local about LE jurisdictional weaknesses. .” Empirically, this could have been an opportunistic offender- however, as we all know, there was simply no way I am aware of to know with certainty that Kyron’s absence would not have raised an immediate alarm within the school as well as potential for AMber alert. More specifically, I can’t say if the offender had no knowledge of the protocol, accommodated for it, or other.
I watched “the missing” current season (in French with English subtitles iirc) and I have to tell you that as someone trained as an analyst and profiler of sexually motivated offenders, it was a true reminder of why one must (at all times) be open to theory change in an instant and one MUST follow evidence- not an interpretation on a void of evidence. A void of evidence is not evidence.
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T. Ruth
You are probably correct in your statement about Family & Consumer Science being the new Home Ec. A new up-to-date title to attract students.
In eighth grade the boys and girls in my school swapped classes for six weeks with the boys doing Home Ec and the girls moving to shop class. It was an experiment that didn’t work well. There were too many girls that received injuries to hands and other body parts from using the machinery that was dangerous. The shop teacher tried to let the girls do what the boys were doing without teaching proper safety measures.
But, don’t think that guys could not teach a class such as Mastin is doing. It all depends on the type of skills that children can learn in the home if mother and grandmother are willing to teach boys.
Being a twin with a sister, I learned to hem dish towels at age six and then how to embroidery with a hoop frame soon after. I learned to sew on my maternal grandmothers pedal operated Singer machine. She did that as a reward for keeping her machine cleaned,oiled and the leather drive band tight or replacing it when it wore out.
Children love to learn skills if presented in the right way. Too many boys are pushed away from household activities. And, too many girls are never taught simple skills such as how to use a hammer and screwdriver or a hand saw and measuring tapes.
Seriously adore you Sir. I can remember as a child asking my Mom to ask Santa for a little ironing board, vaccum and kitchen set. She told me that Santa was more inclined to give gifts that made kids explore things that needed real skill, LOL. When I reminded her that I loved helping my Gram iron towels and my Poppa’s shorts and Tshirts and I could practice to get really good at it- she replied “Exactly my point.”
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OT: https://www.facebook.com/helpfindpaytonyoung/
This hits very close to home. Her parents/cousins/extended family are good friends of my family. Initially suicide was suspected, but she has been apparently spotted not too far from where her car was found with an older (20′s) man. Parents are hopeful. Keep her in your thoughts and prayers.
Three Billboards is on my list to see, also.
As to Delphi – such a crazy case. Would love to see Blink take it on.
first-time, my prayers are with you, Payton, your family and friends. What a stunning beauty with a 10K watt smile Payton is- she has such a beautiful energy. One of the most important things to impart to her (critical if anyone thinks she is reading about herself online) is that SHE CAN come back from this. There are ways to learn better coping strategies for not just her, but for her support system as well. There is obviously an underlying issue here, but learning how to get past things that one thinks are impossible at the time comes from herself and the love of those who love and know her best. She can then use the experience to help others who end up on a similar “journey”.
Sometimes when dealing with potential suicidal ideation it is easier for an individual to “unpack” the concept of the need to help others rather than helping themselves if that is not something they can conceptualize. ( At this phase it may be safer to proffer in the third person-)
On Delphi- unfortunately first-time, I have learned over the years that to make an impact in a cold case, I have to have direct access to a case file. There is a very long explanation that accompanies that, however. In cases I have been fortunate enough to resolve, cases I have worked on to successful conclusion (the facts of which I have never written the details on for obvious reasons) must start with at least one set of verified facts and whatever is being withheld. It can continue to be withheld, but that information is critical to an offender profile. BOC has been a critical instrument in some instances to help progress cases- recently ( I have not read them but I am told they may be similar in at least initiative) I am aware that case related blogs content has progressed cases to conclusion by developing a nexus to other crimes or individuals (Wetterling, Grinstead). As I understand the scenario, one major difference would be that I do my own fieldwork and I have worked with the criminal justice agency of record and/or the DA.
The key to solving this case is not going to be something LE is comfortable with, but the fact is that 90% of this offender profile are caught by their post offense behavior. Someone knows this man, it cannot be assumed that individual or individuals follow social media or online news outlets- I suspect that is why the fam and LE have recently done some TV. Libby began recording this guy when he was at a significant distance from them, why is that?
There were no other witnesses to that man outside of her own phone and it has been stated publicly taping him was done “secretly”. These girls were only supposed to be there about an hour to one hour thirty minutes and Libby starts recording this guy at a location, presumably then in her pocket, so suffice it to say this offender is not a smartphone guru. They are found at a location presumably as directed by the offender on foot. We presume there is DNA linked directly to the offender but not the origin. People were in the woods looking for them within 3 hours and allegedly the owner of the property where they were found was out driving a vehicle (and drinking) he was not licensed to. He is local or has had extended local access through employment or family.
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Are we sure the property owner has been excluded, or say, anyone who might have had access?
With all due respect to those who fondly hope for home ec well-taught for boys (I hated it gor girls), that is not what this is. It is a euphemism for tracking liw performing and troubled students—from vioklent homes, lgbt (in AZ-style stereotyping), the bullied & victimized, the mentalky slow or dull. Such tracking saves an iep in many cases. These are likely kids not expected to go yo college but yo Americorps or the military. The clue is “consumer finance” (how to make a budget, pay bills) and “family” (how to parent). https://cals.arizona.edu/fcs/
Sort of class I’d never let my kid in. And the sort of class you’d find “coach” Sandusky in. imo.
Of those HS football asst coaches assigned to teach entry algebra or plane geometry to give them one classroom course to justify their hiring, which most of us therefore never learned, does remind me I never would’ve expected any of those men to be successful detectives with enough abstract reasoning ability to do research and solve cases.
OT I forgot family & consumer sci
likely includes nutrition (how
not to eat like you know who) & “fashion
design”.
Rose 1-22 I believe it is a made up story.Also I have to comment on the hyprocrocy mentioning child support when D didn’t pay for Kyron
thank you, OLS! It did sound so.
Tongue in cheek, you know, speaking generally,
a father keeping a young son residentially was the only way
to ensure he did not pay her. And she was
free for date nights. Satisfaction all around, until the
boys got to be teens & didn’t need a sitter. & if
he’d gone for support from her, imo they both knew
she was likely to become the residential parent.
“How I wish I could add something to that case. Someone has made a conscious decision to withhold information re the crimes (classic LE training) vs using it to produce leads. I can only say that I have seen that be an error in every case that decision is made because it assumes an offender will be tied to the crime via confession (has details only the offender would know) and in my view that is highly unlikely.”
first-time says:
January 24, 2018 at 9:42 am
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Just like Kyron’s case, right down to a false description of a generic vehicle tied to stepmother.
It’s the LE/press culture in Multnomah & surrounding counties. ie looking at attempt abductions using a vehicle prior to 2011 say in Clackamus, there was often no vehicle description & a “more later.” and there wasn’t. The detail the press/LE is ok to mention is generally “hispanic” where race is identifiable by a child.
“90% of this offender profile are caught by their post offense behavior.
@first-time says:
January 24, 2018 at 9:42 amhttp://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
So one realizes why you look for postabduction behaviors in the Multnomah-Clackamus-SW Wash areas.
One expects the terrain DAD lived amidst was searched more than once due to location?
What if he suspected a local man’s postabduction behavior, increasing his state of fear?
that is, rather than be a suspect, he suspected?
Also, he likely drowned, because if he was addicted to opiods via his shoulder,
he’d have done what was necessary to resupply.
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/carroll-county/delphi-person-of-interest-daniel-nations-returning-to-indiana-to-answer-to-unrelated-charges
Not to side track Kyron’s place, but thinking on post behavior this guy fits the bill. I do not want to make the same hasty decision that he did it because I have learned from Kyron to open up that mind. Well DN is coming back to Indiana so maybe his possible involvement will be answered one way or another. If anyone is not familiar with the Delphi murders they should look up the fire that happened in Flora Indiana several months earlier. 4 little girls lost their lives in that fire that was later determined to be arson. My thoughts are that those 4 little girls were targeted and more than likely had information someone did want known. Sexual predator?
Link to fire:
https://www.wthr.com/article/mom-of-girls-killed-in-flora-fire-says-she-has-never-believed-it-was-arson
That is horrific. I pray they catch the suspect, and I sincerely hope they have the arson claim correctly.
On Nations- It is my understanding that they have suspect DNA in the Delphi murders. I am operating under the assumption as Nations waived his rights to extradition that he has a DNA profile on file for comparison. If he is not a match I am cautiously doubtful he is a suspect in Delphi. I have great respect for the Delphi Police and ISP if they are working as closely with the FBI as I have been told. That said, they may not like it, but if they truly believe that they have a witness who knows that guy they are likely going to have to release more details to put pressure on that individual to come forward in some capacity. I have great fear they have no idea really who this is.
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Rose
You are right about the assistant coaches being hired to teach a single class,usually math and sometimes science.
Our Community Band has been trying for years to get high school musicians to join so they can learn more about music and styles of playing. The UIL contests in Texas limit these youths exposure to a small subset rather than a variety of music.
Last week we had a freshman student attend rehearsal as the result of an invitation thru her grandmother.
Last evening I spent time finding the personnel rosters of her high school and the middle school. Sure enough, there was only one full time math teacher and full time science teacher with none teaching biology, chemistry or physics. All the rest were asst. coaches. This is a high school of just over a thousand students.
If this isn’t corrected soon, we will have a population of ignorant people. The definition of ignorant is “lacking knowledge”.
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I want to share my happiness this morning. I posted about the dangers of buying packages of vegetables at the grocery store and not washing them thoroughly before cooking or eating them. Mrs. ATG was poisoned by a bad virus after serving herself from a package marked Washed where she didn’t wash them herself.
For five months she has been ill. The doctors could not find the cause. After eight weeks and multiple tests and medications, she was no better than day one. She was giving up and I thought we were about to loose her.
One never knows what ordinary people can contribute to helping others.
I went to my barber for a hair cut. While sitting in the chair we talked as always and I told her about the health problem.
She is fifth generation Hispanic and a grandmother. Her husband has family in Mexico. After describing the symptoms to her she told me that her husband had visited his family and shortly after arriving home became ill with similar symptoms. The doctors were not able to find the disease or proper medications until they took a culture.
I immediately contacted the doctor and told him the story. They followed up with a culture and then began the quest for the right medication. This virus had infected her stomach, liver and urinary tract.
For the past five months, I have been doing all the household chores, including grocery shopping and food preparation. Last evening she felt good enough to ask me to drive her to the grocery store to shop. The first trip to the grocery store since Sept.10, 2017.
Than GOD I had taken organic chemistry in high school and college and could help the doctors with finding the proper medications. Hours and hours of checking the internet for information that was formally in the Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) a printed volume.
Doctors often do not remember or research the side effects of medications or the effects of one medication against another. So I did the due diligence for them. My mother, a nurse, told me as a teen not to trust the accuracy of doctors, but to always check medications and procedures to confirm their viability.
I SOOO apologize ATG/VP- I have no idea how a few posts from last week skipped my moderation (my error). I know I caused it via a back up/versioning update, but I wanted to say I am so glad to hear Mrs. ATG is better, and that you did a great job supporting her when she needed it most. You are such a wonderful example, sir.
XO
B
Rose, it was SusieQ:
Suzie Q says:
October 21, 2013 at 2:56 am
Not going to quote here, but just going to add my own 2cents.
David Durham is a dead end, IMO. How he was ever brought into this is just an unfortunate occurrence that he lived on Sauvie Island and there were supposedly cell phone pings, etc. and anything Sauvie Island became part of the lore for this whole unfortunate case that LE has blown from day one, IMO-again.
I met David in 2/’10, was part of a film crew that was filming at his house. I liked him, didn’t get any bad vibes off him. Spent 4 days there, talked to him a lot, got to know his dog quite well. Could link you to the project we shot there. Have no idea what kind of mental break he may have had, but from all reports, he’d had some issues for a long time before he disappeared, leaving behind his own house and a rental house with a delightful tenant. His own house was unremarkable, was open for the cast and crew to hang out in. Whatever happened to Kyron, I cannot imagine that David Durham was a part of this, I cannot imagine his dog leaving him unless he was dead.
I know Bob Skipper personally, he is an amazing guy, he stepped in as MCSO’s Sheriff, due to a resignation, IICC. Was retired prior to that. Was told he was unqualified and would need to take classes in order to remain Sheriff. He’d been retired, he took over in an emergency and he wasn’t wanting to go back to school, he stepped down. Staton then became who he still is today. Can promise you that none of this cluster fuck would have ever happened on Bob’s watch. and so it goes, just one bad political bunch of shit after another and here we are 3 1/2 years later w/no answers
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-37/
And SusieQ also told us DAD was not “into women”.
Spent 3 days @ DAD’s property in 2/’10, spent a lot of time talking to him and a lot of time with his dog, Huckleberry. His house was orderly, his female tenant who lived in another home on his property was normal and friendly. DAD dressed in fatigues daily, he was a bit intense, but at no time did I EVER get a hit of violence from him and I have a history of violence, so think I would have sensed that. The artwork in his house was mostly Native American, nothing else stood out as unusual to me, he was relaxed and comfortable having his home overtaken by a film crew. Think I have sent a link to the film and pics of his place to Blink already, but, if not, can do so, let me know, B. Am not going to post a public link to it here and hope you all understand why.
Have no idea what happened to DAD after the incident at the coast, but know that Huckleberry would have never left him were he alive. IMO, if there is any connection to Kyron and DAD, it would have been w/Kaine, DAD was not into women.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-101/
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/01/family_of_oregon_boy_molested.html
The family of a 12-year-old Oregon boy who was sexually abused last year by his troop leader — a prolific pedophile — filed an $8 million lawsuit Thursday against the Boy Scouts of America.
The suit faults the youth organization for failing to oust Scoutmaster Douglas James Young Jr. before he molested the boy on at least four occasions in early 2017. Police determined the boy was Young’s 10th victim over a 15-year period.
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OT Medford PD looks like a great place to work…for men.
“the Medford Police Department hadn’t disciplined him properly or intervened early enough…… He said Medford’s longstanding failure to address the misconduct should not excuse Ianieri….Almost to the employee, this conduct was known for many years.”” OSP Supt is a real winner.
http://www.oregonlive.com/police-fire/index.ssf/2018/01/fight_over_police_conduct_women.html#incart_target2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_
thank you TRuth.
I’m sure you have all been following the Nassar case. Who would have thought someone in athletic topping Sandusky. Watching 20/20 and his “no fly zone” recommendation to other trainers is such a blatant red flag, you just know he liked walking on the edge. Glad the board is resigning.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/entire-usa-gymnastics-board-to-resign-in-wake-of-sex-abuse-scandal/ar-AAvdlh0?OCID=ansmsnnews11
It is truly stupifying to me. One of the things that should have been a requirement is for Nassar to submit to a BAU assessment (think MINDHUNTER) as he is clearly one of the most prolific criminal pedophiles to come along, operating undetected for so long, and with that number of verified victims. How he was able to accomplish that should be of paramount public interest in both preventing this from happening again as well as catching other sick freaks like him.
Lastly- in no way minimizing Nassar’s victimization skills here- sadly, I am well trained in the sexually motivated offender profile and their ability to victimize and avoid detection of same. That said, as parents, we need to realize that we have an obligation- a strict duty to KNOW who is spending time ALONE with our children, under the guise of training, medical treatment or any other auspice. WHile I am in firm agreement that the culpability is very far reaching throughout the entire US Gymnastics program as a whole, I would very much like to hear some parents advising the “take away” to oversee their kids schedules and most specifically protocols for treatment. It’s 2018- no Dr, male or female, should EVER be treating a patient alone, period, end of story.
B
It occurs to me in 2010 investigators should have had delicate conversations with the Skyline students as to any potential abuse that might have been going on within those school walls.
Agreed.
To my knowledge that did not happen.
B