Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.


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  1. Rose says:

    ot re Murray this story gives great detail about how Simpson and others crossed paths with him. No criminal nexus for Simpson, but apparently he was in State care, such as Oregon’s was/is. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.syracuse.com/v1/articles/20448879/seattle_mayor_ed_murray_accused_of_sexually_abusing_troubled_teen_in_1980s.amp
    Murray’s MO was consistant, and he was a volunteer opportunist like Sandusky. I think by following this story there could be another pulitzer like S Ganim got for Jerry.

  2. Rose says:

    Seems to me SZ’s standout characteristic was he took charge and created his own opportunity in what was, despite its crowd and chais, a highly risky environment.

    It is possible he chose Skyline, as opposed to say a fred meyers or a park, to abduct due to variables such as sparser road traffic (witnesses), lack of parking lot and business cameras, and proximity to certain hwy type getaway routes to his preplanned exit strategy. He was one smart offender. Still reminds me of a person with a background in military special ops.

  3. A Texas Grandfather says:


    Sheriff Mike Reese is now playing sanctuary county with the feds by releasing an illegal that I.C.E. had a hold order on for sex abuse charges.

    Maybe Jeff Sessions will convince him of the need for different behavior when all the federal money is halted.


  4. Rose says:

    ot simpson and anderson. there is no way they could be placed for years in Parry Ctr then
    State foster care group homes without a Court disposition in a neglect case in the 1980s that shoukd’ve been reviewed by a Judge yearly. There were some strict federal standards in the decade before Reagan. A DA would have to be present and a Court appointed parent atty whether or not parents came unless there’d been a TPR as there might’ve been with Simpson. And shoukd’ve been an employee of DHS with a minimal written report on boy’s progress. So what DA was head of the juvenile section in 1975 or so when Simpson was placed at age 6, and early 80s, and who was the Juvenile Judge in those days? I was thinking it might’ve been Meisenheimer and Charlene Wms on the job but I guess that’s too early. I wish the press would publicize who the neglect judge was in their era. In that mid-70s day Portland DHS was being written up around the country for leadership in managing neglect cases in foster care.

  5. Rose says:

    Ft Lewis McChord, where the senior Hormans were active in Guard decades ago,
    doesnt strike me as that far on Rte 5 from McCleary WA. And it seems the Olympic
    Natl Park just north of mccleary is used a lot in Seals special ops training. It’s near navy bases.
    maybe some exSeals stay in the area post military. Or move to Portland.
    A suspected but never charged offender (within the military system)
    separated from the military might be a good reason for a Horman investigation coverup.

  6. Rose says:

    OT in 1988 Meisenheimer was Sr Deputy DA (p23 http://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1502&context=oscdl_cityclub ) Isn’t that No 2? Therefore he was likely a supervisor of the DA handling Simpson and Anderson. Shrunk made DA in 1980. In the period 1976-80 when the 2 boys came into care, Judge Mauer was an entry level DA–and as a 70s female probably got juvenile at some point.
    imo if Shrunk asked Meisenheimer to help out on a sad juvenile situation (kyron), the response would be courteous.

  7. Rose says:

    ot @atg. thot I’d supply yr link source:

    Reese is obligated to obey State law. But that’s not the issue.
    The issue is should County and State employees function as
    Federal agency (ice) detention and deportation
    employees in the matter of immigration?
    on any other issue than immigration, County
    employees taking on a Federal LE role, the answer is a no.
    & Sessions imo won’t be there long: 1-2 yrs and retirement. He was
    briefly owed. and funds withholding won’t stand up Constitutionally.
    And won’t happen so imo will never be litigated.

    Here’s the thing: npr today (still funded thank goodness) reviewed testimony
    last week on the Hill from DHSec re need to hire ice & Border patrol agents.
    (the big problem is due to yrs of sequestration.)
    Other problems: ice said polygraphs of employee prospects are too
    rigorous (duh, don’t want folks who are bribeable),
    and the wage disparity between ice and bp.

    these are compkex issues.

    the real issue at hand is the sentencing of the SO in Mult County and its leniency.
    And the competence of regional ice resources at deporting the jailed man prior to release.
    After all, the press is full of stories of ordinary nonoffenders subject to rush
    stops and deportations.

  8. Rose says:

    focussing on Sheriff Reese see url above re who he gave a very rare interview to after he was critcized in Portland press for Courthouse cooperation:
    “Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese told Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson ”
    I wondered what is Full Measure? Or Sharyl Attkisson, that Breitbart copied her interview?
    Hiw did Reese find this obsure interviewer rather than Bernstein, Budnik, or Slovik?

    And I found:
    1) in DC, who’s heard of Sinclair, or her?
    2) paragr 2 under Oroduction sounds like a paranoid schiz.
    or https://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/02/sharyl-attkisson-got-a-show-after-years-of-push/205931

    So imo ATG Breitbart’s copy interview of Attkisson is irrelevant, as is the underlying topic release of jailees ICE wants held.
    What’s relevant to the Kyron Horman investigation is Reese interviewed with, RARELY, a widely discredited rather bizarre imo woman instead of any Portland reporters to score whatever his objective was. imo master manipulator indeed.

  9. Rose says:

    haven’t found the underlying Reese interview yet but it was apparently
    on Sun Apr 6 by lisa fletcher in Portland

    imo Reese’s MO on this interview is his credibility and MO on Kyron’s investigation.
    So I am looking to find his motive and words.

  10. Rose says:

    ot and so it goes

    imo wrt the DOJ Review of the PPB Consent Decree.
    the current US AG will similarly try to dump it.
    Judge Simon will say no.
    And Ted Wheeler’s new Police Chief
    will have to Work Hard.

  11. Rose says:

    I keep thinking about SZ.
    He “passed” in the environment.
    He was take charge, proactive.
    He had a tight plan–from parking, to egress
    from the bldg and from the area, to his ruse.
    Almost sounds like a brilliant Intel (domestic or foreign)
    engineer with some military background.

  12. Rose says:

    from Hillsboro.
    no wonder she got Reese on interview.

  13. Rose says:

    another example of the Sheriff responding to local criticism. “increase my budget”:
    it’s that time of year.
    budget hearings in April?
    Interestingly, the one position he’s never
    filled, at least thru March, is head of Research.
    that person who audits him and his Org
    and issues uncomfortable reports.
    He appears very thin-skinned to criticism but very
    strategic in responding. He was getting a lot of
    immigration criticism, so he responded on a
    national not local platform, orally (podcast) which he coukd control
    hiw he’s quoted, and on hus critics’ (way right) own media
    darling (tgat Sharyl)…a venue Portland
    investigative reporters woukd be unlikely to republish. He also
    missed his own best defense: Man was released 2/15
    but ICE did not issue the detainer until 3/21, and he could not
    legally hold til then absent a Court Order to do so. (one wonders why some ICE regions are rushing
    noncriminals out overnight without any process and Portland regional
    ICE is So Slow to issue a detainer against jailed prior criminally adjudicated.)
    Why isn’t Reese pointing to Muktnomah judges who release these prior-convicted men on bail?
    Anyway, path forward on Kyron is clear.
    Some reporter shoukd start criticizing Reese’s own (non)investigation.
    Hopefully, a national outlet.
    And Soldier might refirect herself to Reese, rather than Calif.

    Is the research position that of audit though, Rose? Many times that position is more of a crime prevention analyst-

  14. Rose says:

    come to think of it, the guy Reese did not legitimately point
    the finger at in the podcast is not the judge failing to hold without bail but Rod U the DA.
    To hold without an ice detainer, the DA must elect to paper a case for whatever SO was arrested for this time, and at a bail hearing inform the judge of his priors and request no bail pending a detainer being issued. (which would put the judge in the political hot seat.) Why wouldn’t local press go after Rod?
    It would be interesting to know if charges were dropped in Feb against the two men in question. imo Reese sought political cover for the DA when he went on a way right outlet’s podcast and blamed OR policies (trust in Courts), a red flag at bulls, rather than the real culprit, the DA.

  15. Tiny says:

    LOL. Rose, yep. No wonder. Not many like that in Portland.
    In regards to SZ, I think he had been there before and that is why he was able to pull it off. No one thought twice about this guy walking out to the parking lot with a kid.
    Think about going to your kid’s school, there are familiar faces, you have no idea who they actually are but you have seen them before, they act like a teacher or a parent and boom your spidey senses turn off and you keep going. Maybe military or some type of background like that but he looked like every other guy in that building. That seems like it would take some know how.

  16. A Texas Grandfather says:


    My premise is that LE at all levels should co-operate with I.C.E. officers regarding any illegal alien being held in a state, county or city holding facility. If the immigration officers place a hold on such a person, then they need to be held until the person is picked up.

    There are laws in the country regarding entering without papers or permission. If these are not enforced, then we have a border-less country without laws.

    The Mexican’s lost the Western states in the war of 1848. Many of them always believed that the territory lost should be recovered. In the late 1960′s Mexicans began an effort to take those territories back by an invasion of people without U.S. papers.

    The often quoted eleven million figure is way out of date. Today the number is between 30 to 40 million of illegals. There is no country in the world that can assimilate that many without a major loss of values.

  17. Rose says:

    Ot, tho relevant.
    The Fahrenthold Method was the Sam Adams Method in 2010.
    Now proven effective, & worthy of a Pulitzer,
    I wonder what responsive twitter messages to his SZ tweet Adams received?

    “…. — with the creative use of social media, especially Twitter, to “crowdsource” the public’s collective knowledge of people and events. In the process, Post editor Martin Baron said Fahrenthold, 39, “reimagined” investigative reporting. Traditionally, Baron noted, reporters have kept their work “secret and guarded” until they’ve developed enough information to publish. Fahrenthold instead shared his progress on stories via Twitter and openly asked readers for tips and information that guided his work. Baron noted that this process now has a name: “the Fahrenthold method.”

    “Pioneering a new form of investigative reporting, Fahrenthold invited his Twitter followers to help him report these stories, asking for help in tracking down details…”

    Well, the seatch for the 2 paintings engaged me such that I joined twitter just to follow.

    This Method, in reality the Sam Adams Method, replicates online
    the Skyline community Crowdsourcing Blink always suggested that mcso engage in.
    And you’d think with an Intel mgr Dad, there shoukd’ve been serious online
    Crowdsourcing. Rather one encountered dilletante online fundraising.

  18. Rose says:

    rambling on. So Bernstein coukd’ve interviewed Sam Adams
    wrt his twitter responses. Guaranteed him anonymity. & Kept
    on tweetier crowdsourcing about SZ’s identifiers.
    And maybe gotten her own Pulitzer.

  19. Rose says:

    dadgum, even OLive knew Adams was the Multnomah Tweeter in Chief out ahead of the press:
    So his kyron tweets shoukd’ve been taken seriously locally by press.
    looking for them, so far I see one on June 8 reflecting on a June 7 Seatch story.”
    Since he was Mayor, why couldn’t a Bernstein type foia the responses to his Who Is This tweet?

  20. Rose says:

    according to the Oregonian, Mayor Adams tweeted constantly. The tweets about Kyron–several–were not an abberation. The only one I coukd find now was June 8. The famous face tweet occurred around June 24, after the bios apparently knew about a man but believed Terri knew who he was. They were publically calling for Terri to “tell.” Imo someone told Adams there was an unidentified man and shared that pic.
    Adams woukd’ve been glad of a press topic change. In April 2010 Breedlove advertised he had joined the recall effort. He’d said he was about to publish a memoir and he posed nude for a mag cover. He seemed on a one man publicity drive.

  21. Rose says:

    @Blink. the position was actual audit. And the Supervisor was Research. Dr. Shea Marshman (Mike’s wife) is quite proud online CV of her criminal justice PhD. There were two, Dr. Marshman Dir, and Lamb the audit analyst; and now there are none.

    One was fired (Lamb) and one went to the City (Marshman) after a critical audit on disproportionate use of force against black jail inmates. See http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/02/19/multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-laid-off-analyst-who-wrote-report-showing-higher-use-of-force-against-black-inmates/

    Their supervisor iirc was Linda Yankee. Reese prevented her reapplication for her Chief Deputy job after Staton departed by eliminating the position and breaking up the functions — making finance a civilian position, and leaving Planning and Research standing alone.

    Of course it turns out Marshman’s hubbie was Reese’s running buddy at work. So, one could hardly say, after Reese left PPB and was casting about for something to do, his wife was totally disinterested in humiliating Staton publically with work product. That audit and the laying off of Lamb was the beginning of the series of bad press for Staton that culminated in his own departure.

  22. Rose says:

    So where’s the local media on MCSO Planning and Research Dir being vacant for 8 months? right after the issuance of a critical audit of the chief mcso function (prison mgmt.).

  23. Rose says:

    26. A Texas Grandfather says:

    @ATG re “April 10, 2017 at 12:50 pm


    My premise is that LE at all levels should co-operate with I.C.E. officers regarding any illegal alien being held in a state, county or city holding facility. If the immigration officers place a hold on such a person, then they need to be held until the person is picked up”

    If you read the underlying story Breitbart copied, the man in question was released on Feb l5, and the ICE hold was not placed on him until iirc (and I may not but it was over a month later) 3/21 when he was long gone. Blame ICE on that. MCSO had nothing to cooperate with in the absence of a “hold” request.

    If someone wanted to hold him, he had to be charged by the DA in whatever crime he was picked up for, and the DA at a bail hearing had to request no bail. And the Judge had to grant that.

    Again, there was no ICE hold until over a month after his release.

  24. Rose says:

    make that “…If someone wanted to hold him, … add to that When there is no hold request from ICE in sight…”

  25. Rose says:

    Blink, I suppose in 2010-11 bios were told if they sued PPS,
    the investigation would take unwanted turns?
    Could mcso actually dissuade parents for suing the (in loco parentis)
    institution whose employee handed over their son to a murderous predator?

    In a world of compliant policy absolutely not- I don’t know the evolution obviously, but DY has stated publicly both in her civil filing and in statement that TH was responsible for secreting her son (or worse) and that TH had emailed the school to “excuse” him. Did not happen, but never the less, those positions appear to be pretty absolving to the school’s liability or negligence. The divorce was still pending during the statute of limitations civil clock, and it would appear Kaine had (yes, I’m aware that clock can always reset with new evidence potentially, but I can assure that everyone is well aware that an unsub was last seen with Kyron and Kaine has stated this publicly.) an interest declaring and stating his wife was responsible as well.

    Lastly- simply put, for either DY or KH, I doubt highly they needed advice from MCSO- they were certainly advised on the protection of their own personal interests and the risks to same via a civil suit.

    In my view, and I am not an attorney, all discovery roads down this path lead to TH as Kyron’s primary caregiver and more likely to grant her standing in a civil suit against the school and both Kaine and DY were made aware of that possibility. Neither one of those scenarios were desirable to Kyron’s bio parents, apparently.

    There can be no dispute in the facts here- no matter how hard anyone may try to skew them. Skyline School is ground zero and Kyron’s interests in enjoying the duty of care he was entitled have never been represented to that end, imo.

    Not gonna lie, as I type this it infuriates me that here we are on the heels of 7 years and I am entirely confident the agencies tasked with finding him are no closer to doing so then they were June 4 2010. His parents are not doing all they could to locate him, or progressing his investigation and it pains me to say that.


  26. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Ok Rose, I apologize for not looking behind the Breightbart story.

    However, the court had to know that the person being held was an illegal alien and a sexual pervert. If those facts are known, IMO it is incumbent on the court to notify I.C.E. and have him picked up. Therefore, Reese escapes responsibility by the absence of proper procedure of the court. I do fault Reese for using this case to try and make himself more acceptable to the Hispanic community even though he has to know that the community includes many illegal aliens.

    Based on the speech Jeff Sessions gave to the Border Patrol and others yesterday, this is going to be prevented or more difficult in the future.

  27. Rose says:

    Deputy DA A Gibbs utters a Spicerism:
    “Deputy District Attorney Adam Gibbs, who notes: “At the time this happened in 1984, this Murray guy was a nobody”
    So in 1984 “nobodies” were not papered in Schrunk’s office
    for sodomy of troubled foster care boys, at least this one, nor records kept.

    Lol. Back off Spicey, he is a fallible human being in a nearly impossible job. These things have yet to dawn on him and if he goes there will be no more Melissa McCarthy skits :)

    Makes one wonder how the outlet got the PROMIS sheet if no records are kept and to my knowledge investigations that do not result in criminal charges are not subject to public disclosure even when inactive. It was an ignorant thing for a prosecutor to say- no doubt he regrets the quote. This certainly needs a closer look and some oversight- I am not a fan of he said- he said accusations it requires scrutiny. Accusations involving disadvantaged or compromised youth should be priority- have we learned nothing at all from such fallout?

  28. Rose says:

    Is it too late for Terri to file a tort against PPS, the Principal, Porter, and Mathews? If one dates a Statute of Limitations against the act of negligence itself the clock has run. But arguably there is an ongoing tort injurous to her livelihood and reputation based on tentative PPS’ plaintiffs’ behavior when, knowing K was given permission to leave with an unknown male, of conspiring with custodial father and mcso spokesmen, Keefer even standing beside msco spokesmen, identifying her as involved or the only subject of investigation. And this conspiracy is ongoing. A Riddell could make something of that imo. And named plaintiff coconspurators should custodial parent, PPS & those 3 employees, and mcso and each spokesman employee (gates, schultz staton etc). then let the coconspirators fall out among themselves piinting at each other. the thing speaks for itself.

    Not an attorney, but hypothetically, in the event this came across my desk my initial evaluation (If I understand your posited question correctly) TMH would have no standing as KH’s parent or primary caregiver for injury, negligence or liability in that regard. What I think you are also asking is if TMH has a defamation suit against the school itself?

    If so, she would not. To my knowledge nobody from the school has ever made any public statements about TMH to even qualify for the necessary request for retraction as a starting point. Obvs it would need further fact investigation which is likely only going to happen via subpoena post file. Same essentially goes for MCSO and the DA as I understand the statutes in OR- they were smart in that regard- they made Kaine and DY “disseminate incorrect information” and of course you have seen the walking back in that regard as well over the years, and again, over the statute of limitations.

    The elephant in the room here is the same as its been. TMH would have a much stronger case against MCSO and potentially “as individuals not entitled to immunity” acting out of scope or under color of law…” had she been indicted or arrested. This is a civil rights issue you don’t see very often but as I pointed out a few months ago, I hope any attorney who regularly deals with “reckless investigation” or similar matters is paying attention to the amended decision in Ferguson v Short 100M lawsuit. For anyone interested : http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/columbiatribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/0b/00b902d5-37d3-554d-bc8a-51b27d7350bb/587e6090cee65.pdf.pdf

    No qualified immunity behind the badge when one knows (basic common law) they are violating one’s civil rights REGARDLESS arrest or conviction- this is strictly in the investigation phase.


  29. erose says:

    Here are all six tweet related to Kyron, thanks to newsatfive.

    erose says:
    May 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Satori says:
    October 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    Everyone, the simple fact that the Mayor tweeted the WW story minutes after it was posted is noteworthy. Why? Why did the Mayor feel that he needed to help the cause in the manner and time that he did it?

    newsatfive says:
    October 7, 2010 at 2:25 am
    I’m betting the Willamette Week story was a product of one such briefing or meeting, and the story perhaps even leaked by someone in city government, or at the sheriff’s office. (Wanna bet Sam Adams sat on the tweet until the very moment the story broke online? Anyone, anyone?)
    IMHO, it was a major screwup, and it will be the last major leak we will get for a long time.

    newsatfive says:
    October 6, 2010 at 10:41 pm
    Sam Adams posted links to “help find Kyron” articles and websites early on (total of three tweets on June 6 and June 8). Except for those six tweets, nothing else.

    PLEASE RT: Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 10:18 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck from Hayden Island, Portland PLEASE RETWEET: Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 10:16 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck
    Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 #pdx #fb 10:19 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck from Hayden Island, Portland
    6-8-2010 Still Missing: Kyron Horman tips: 503-261-2847 poster: http://bit.ly/bM5vJI update: http://bit.ly/afxUJv #fb 6:03 AM Jun 8th via TweetDeck from King, Portland
    Please retweet. RT @PDXsays: Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #pdxsafety #Kryon #PDX 12:51 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck
    Please retweet. RT @PDXsays: Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #pdxsafety #Kryon #PDX 12:51 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck
    Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in the story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #fb 12:52 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck


  30. erose says:

    It’s review, but so interesting. I think I missed this round one. The entire post is worth reading.

    xlax says:
    June 12, 2012 at 6:01 am


    The school was an other dumping ground for refuse teachers and staff from other schools and they are listed as “on probation” some of them on several official school websites…rubber room skyline elemetrary school…the public is not allowed to review teacher files nor complaints against teachers in the district. only the governor can do that as he did in the case of ward weaver in secret….Nope there is a cover up at the school. Something happened at the school that morning and the school district and their attorneys knew it.


    I can say that I was personally contacted by more than one parent of a student from Skyline after they requested specific information from Keefer (at the time) and were denied citing “LE” active investigation status- which is of course very different from basic school info a parent would be entitled to.

    I will agree that both the school and the solicitors (counsel) are aware of, and would be in a position to confirm witness accounts to SZ on June 4 2010 (to my knowledge, for all I know there could be more). Some of these accounts are part of sworn depositions or testimony- and of course Kaine’s public statements.


  31. A Texas Grandfather says:


    Thanks for going back and doing a review. In particular the xlax post in 2012. Like you, I did not pay close attention to the content due to the fact the writer does not know how to use paragraphs to separate subjects. Blink did comment on the post.

    Your finding of xlax’s statement about Skyline being a “rubber room school” adds some new reasons for things not working as they should. Is it a factual statement? The writer does not back up the information with a reference or other explanation. However, it is a union shop for the teachers and the union will not allow poor or inept performance to be a reason for dismissal. Therefore, if the school administration has a location that they use to move people who fit that behavior, they will.

    The school has always been the starting place for an investigation. Until someone makes it that and begins anew, the case will remain cold and unsolved.

  32. T. Ruth says:


    erose, thanks for reminding me about this ^^^.
    Did anyone watch this, I wanted to but forgot it was on. I think I can still watch it, maybe online.

  33. Rose says:

    @erose. TY. Yes interesting. One wonders if XLax was local? It seems there was nothing nefarious about “probation” those new to teaching were hired in that status like Porter. Idk the terms for every newly certified teacher. Maybe some were off probation in one year, others like Porter in 3? Iirc those reactively (apparently) departing were Mastin for his home State after father’s death, and Mathews, retired. And various Spec Ed (head sped, from CA, newly CA licensed and first job inOR) and paras were not long for Skyline.

    TY for tweet hx. What I gathered from O story was Kyron “tweet” was
    not an Adams aberration as we nonOregonians wondered,
    but he was the most tweet trigger happy
    elected official prior to Trump. So it was all in a day’s work.

  34. T. Ruth says:

    Reporter: Mr. Attorney general, it’s been nearly eight years since a young girl and her family brought charges. What do you know about why no legal action was taken?

    New Mexico AG: “We have a system right now that favors employment rights over student safety rights. It’s a real wakeup call for the country. The burden unfortunately is put on the backs of young students. And we have predators who are trained to groom, and simply there were too many systemic failures involved. Most importantly what’s detrimental here, are administrators are knowingly allowing an educator that’s high risk to go seek employment in other districts in other states. I think that is a horrific tale that needs to be remedied immediately.”

    Reporter: A year-long investigation into passing the trash by “Usa today” reporter Steve Riley found it was extremely rare for administrators to be held criminally accountable. Nationwide, across decades of cases, we found one. A local prosecutor went forward with charges against administrators.


    Part2, victim’s attorney:

    “Here’s the scary thing. He can’t teach in California. That doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t move to some other state and obtain a teaching credential. I’ve seen it happen. It’s got to come to an end. The schools, the teachers, the teachers unions, the legislators, they have got to step and up make it happen.”


    ^^^^^^^^^^This is so messed up!

  35. T. Ruth says:


    Bill would stop school districts from ‘passing the trash’: Heidi Gansert

    Senate Bill 287 requires completion of extensive background checks before someone is hired and requires suspected abuse, neglect, luring and corporal punishment to be reported to a child welfare agency and law enforcement.

    More thorough background checks, expanded mandatory reporting and requiring external investigations can significantly help stop abusers by creating a record and consequences for substantiated reports. I am hopeful Senate Bill 287 will pass this legislative session and be signed into law by Governor Brian Sandoval to protect our children and stop “passing the trash” in Nevada.


    ^^^Nevada. Why isn’t this a federal law?

  36. T. Ruth says:

    Teachers who sexually abuse students still find classroom jobs


    (If this is old news for you I apologize, I hadn’t seen these reports.)

  37. Rose says:

    ot missing WA teen Burbank
    see father matt B’s entry last Sun night outlining the investigatory.
    There’s a father with normal reactions to detective incompetence.
    negligence (my word) of both the Vancouver & Camas WA PDs:

  38. To answer your question from earlier there is a Fed law but 45 states have not instituted it.
    In my view, this has to be closer to title IX regulation, but with stronger protections for a minor accordingly. This is beginning to resemble the shuffle of priests and we all know how that turns out.

  39. I don’t know the specifics of the case and this is just the Dads perspective, but troublesome regardless. If this person is over 18 without exigent circumstances there is not a great deal LEA can do in the public sector. In some states this extends to missing minors unfortunately- Missouri comes to my immediate mind.

  40. Rose says:

    Iirc the only Skyline teacher who followed Keefer to George was the SPED.
    It was a much better match for him as his education certification was in training basic living skills, not
    say in reading/writing instruction techniques. Altho George was minirity-inner city, I do think it unusual no one followed him if he was a fine (and leadership) principal.

  41. Rose says:

    16. just started driving.

    Like I said, we only know one side, but at 16 I don’t have to know much else- if he is missing and a minor, its an emergency until and if it is determined to be otherwise.

  42. Rose says:

    where in Camas police spokesman Officer Riedel says police dept feels “hurt” at criticism.

    Inexcusable. Super fab “they care” but 72 hours after a kid and his vehicle are missing to say “if we had a location”- Jesus H Ricest- they obviously tracked his phone (parents from that article) so technically the last ping is ground zero- and most certainly nobody on the ground until Monday. I wish I had a better feeling about this- I do not.

    Who was he with? Who was driving? All those easily answered questions could have generated quick tips- hello??

  43. Rose says:

    @blink. Yes, akin on States’ level (each State must pass a statute)
    to Title IX tho press says new DOE Secr is deepsixing IX.
    It is interesting tho, unless press gets wind of a teacher complaint &
    publishes, the “shuffle” generally is interCounty, not within a
    State via intraCounty or between States. However, the teacher
    accused’s inability to move between States is likely financial
    means and spousal. Some male teachers at Skyline were single.

    I DO think it is more (overall) of a State issue because mandatory reporting is SUPPOSED to affect the teaching certificate standards, which vary by state. It reminds me of a personal practice case I have had that revealed license shopping on behalf of an MD to include 4 turn downs in 4 different states until the individual got a probationary license eventually. I believe a great many organizations put the search efforts on the consumer/public, unfortunately.

  44. Rose says:

    the thing that’s engaged me on Burbank vis a vis kyron is
    1) family and allies have gone all out on organized searches
    w/o LE support or encouragement..
    diff w/ kyron is Elephant in search is car description & lic plates.
    2) LE has been inept, in coverup mode, and defensive to criticism.
    To missing minor’s detriment.

    I would offer that I think MCSO (yes, in this case I am defending them as hard as it is for me to believe) was quite swift and broad in their initial response to Kyron’s disappearance. From a SAR perspective ONLY- it made initial sense to me and was appropriate for a child that age- last seen at the school grounds given the terrain. I remain convinced that for days the “search perimeter” was incredibly simple. How far could a 7 yo walk on his own in any direction (circle) between x am and x pm… if that happened. It did not of course as we know now, but I cannot say at the immediate time anyone had any consolidated info to negate the presumption. I have always found the SAR aspect of Kyron’s case to be diligent- but it got even “more diligent” when they were attaching the investigative theory as the case went on and was prepping for the gj. I have personally visited recovery sites where trained anthropologists missed victim remains, and worked cases where I do not believe for a hot minute where a victim was found was where they met their “end”- what I can say is it is much more difficult of an endeavor than people may believe- especially after significant time has passed.

  45. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The Title IX legislation/regulations should never have been created. Schools should not have responsibility for any activity that is criminal. All such activity should be the responsibility of regular LE and courts.

    The Federal Government has zero reason to be involved in creating and managing school activities. The Constitution leaves that activity to the states.

    The missing teen is from a town in the Columbia river valley. It is only six miles to loop 205 with a high-speed connection to I-5 and fast access to Oregon or North to Canada.

    So LE feels bad when they are called out by those on social media. They will have to learn how to handle those complaints by keeping people informed without giving information that could compromise the investigation.

  46. Rose says:

    wrt to mcso SAR. Well, Herron had a superfluity of SAR, MCSO’s were comprised mostly then and now of high schoolers, aka a former boy Scout Troop was the SAR but by 2010 reconstituted as coed iirc. If an LE were the abductor he coukd’ve had his jollies in side by side search with a teen male sar volunteer.

  47. Hareycolt says:

    I read somewhere..KWG maybe that 30 years ago Terri was involved in a murder for hire…I will get the link.

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